Ordered to stop using my PV by my Doctor

[champagnekaty]

Thank you for your help everyone, i really do appreciate it.
Think from here, what im going to do is to continue using my e-cig with care making sure to only use 100per cent vg juice like your husband does vrubin.
Hopefully, the reaction was simply caused by the mistake i made yesterday, when i accidentally re-filled the cart with pg.
If it was down to this, then simply cutting out all pg products might be enough.Hope so anyway.
Im going to try and find some information, relevant to the uk, print it off and take it to my regular family doctor in the hope of changing their minds like you said saintcruiser.
I find that a huge problem here in england is that doctors are simply not willing to even entertain the notion of e-cigarettes. Which is a shame. It also makes it much harder for users over here,
As a reletive newbie can i ask, does everyone take the vapour down into their lungs? Is that the correct way to use it, or do you simply hold it in your mouth?
As regards to drinking more frequently, i havent been doing so but will try from now on x

 

[willbeein2003]

I also am not going to advise you to disregard a doctor's order, but I think the decision your doctor made was done without all the info. You could be allergic to a particular ingrdient. Do you eat or drink anything different that day? New sheets, new detergent, new soap, new pillows? Did you have undo stress that day?

My first asthma attack was the first time I slept on feather pillows. I had no idea I was allergic to them and woke up unable to breath. So, I would suggest you look at anything else that may have caused this.

My doctor had not heard of vaping and was skeptical about it, but she did research and is now delighted I vape. She says that not smoking is reducing all types of risks for medical problems and actually is recommending vaping to her smoking patients.

 

[KayleePup]

I would advise not going against Dr's orders, but I can't.

I was ordered to stop smoking in Nov 2009, due to having a heart attack at age 42. Having smoked 1 pad for almost 30 years I thought yeah, right. I have tried to quit with patches (allergic to the adhesives), gum (dentist veto'd that after making a filling loose), lozenges (uses a sugar base and I am diabetic). So other then Chantix (which actually was ok) what to do? Even on Chantix I had a tendancy to go back to the cigs. Finally a friend introduced me to e-cigs. Seemed like the a great idea! I wanted to know what my Dr thought so I took my Blu (I know not the best, but at least a place to start) with me to an appointment. Dr had not heard of e-cigs but thought that they would be worth a try. She said her husband smokes and she was going to look into them for him!

Hope you feel better and do what you have to do! If you have to vape to get off the analogs then do it. Good luck with whatever you decide!

KayleePup

 

[hgigh]

As a reletive newbie can i ask, does everyone take the vapour down into their lungs? Is that the correct way to use it, or do you simply hold it in your mouth?
As regards to drinking more frequently, i havent been doing so but will try from now on x

When I first started I would take it directly into my lungs but now that I have gotten the hang of it and learned the technique I take it into my mouth first then into my lungs (510)

 

[THE]

Stopping cigarette use can cause asthma like symptoms... I've heard that, many times. People smoke for years, quit, and suddenly develop asthma.. Look into that.

 

[fritos1]

Thank you for your help everyone, i really do appreciate it.
Think from here, what im going to do is to continue using my e-cig with care making sure to only use 100per cent vg juice like your husband does vrubin.
Hopefully, the reaction was simply caused by the mistake i made yesterday, when i accidentally re-filled the cart with pg.
If it was down to this, then simply cutting out all pg products might be enough.Hope so anyway.
Im going to try and find some information, relevant to the uk, print it off and take it to my regular family doctor in the hope of changing their minds like you said saintcruiser.
I find that a huge problem here in england is that doctors are simply not willing to even entertain the notion of e-cigarettes. Which is a shame. It also makes it much harder for users over here,
As a reletive newbie can i ask, does everyone take the vapour down into their lungs? Is that the correct way to use it, or do you simply hold it in your mouth?
As regards to drinking more frequently, i havent been doing so but will try from now on x

I inhale into my mouth then into my lungs I drink more water then most fish I know as far as doctors go most Dr I know think there right about every thing even when some times there not.

 

[mustymom]

My doctor suggested I try the e-cig because I totally enjoyed smoking and he just about gave up trying to convince me how bad smoking was for my health. He realizes the nicotine is what I enjoy and I can get that now without all the other nasty stuff.

 

[Richie G]

While I too am not suggesting you disregard your doctor's instructions, the phys may have just been giving those instructions based on your immediate situation. If you had been holding a rabbit when you had the asthma attack, the phys would probably have told you not to pick up any rabbits.

Who is in charge of handing out the "analogy of the week" award? I'd like to nominate the above entry.

That is one funny line. =)

 

[crashtestjeep]

My pulmonologist was completely impressed at my results with the ecigs. I vape a mix of VG-PG bc VG seems thick and coating in my chest and PG thins it out a bit. I havent had to use my old inhaler or even carry one for well over a year now.

My lung function tests VASTLY improved, and even some of my larger pulmonary nodules have since shrunk. (Found by accident on CT scan for ribs) My DR has since researched ecigs, and also reccommends them to his stubborn smoking patients. He even thanked me for saving some of his patients lives who would have died had they not quit smoking using ecigs. I even gave him the site here to ECF to give out and for ongoing personal research, and a few trusted vendors' names have been passed along by him.

PG works for some, VG for others and some like me, do better with a mixture of the two. Some argue too much VG coats the lung lining and takes a while to self-clean. I believe this was my personal experience, although Ive never had more than a little tightness after vaping all VG all day long. Since using the mixture, about even 50-50 usually, Ive had no problemos.

Ive also never had issues with all PG, but I LIKE VG bc of the thickness of the vapor and a heavier vapor production, as the reason I smoked, and was able to quit using ecigs, is bc of the vapor/smoke clouds.

Happy Vaping and I hope you find the culprit to ur attack.

 

[champagnekaty]

After reading all the many comments on here, i find that i actually know very little about e-cigs in comparison.
Crashtestjeep I had no idea that vg liquid can build up a thick residue on the lungs. Can i ask, what would be the symptoms of this?
Also, ive read that many people are commenting on the need to drink plenty of water. tho dont know the reasons for this.
Thanks again everyone. Up to now, im still smoking my pv. Tho very cautiously and havent had anymore problems. I hope when i visit my family doctor on tuesday, that we manage to narrow down the possible reasons for the attack and that i can convince them that e-cigarettes are infact a good solution. I'l keep you posted x

 

[Richie G]

Also, ive read that many people are commenting on the need to drink plenty of water. tho dont know the reasons for this.

PG/VG are humectants. That means they are like a sponge that zaps moisture out of the air. The vapor that you see is partly water vapor which is enhanced by either VG or PG that is mixed into your e-liquid. It's important to put that moisture back into your body, especially if you are like me, a coffee drinker.

 

[t9c]

I don't know if it exists in the UK, but for those in the states, you can buy Primatene Mist OTC at your drug store for asthma like symptoms. It has saved my ... a few times. It's cheaper than most prescription inhalers unless your insurance covers them...mine didn't. It tastes horrible, but when you can't breath, it doesn't matter much! Now that I haven't smoked analogs in 3 weeks, I only need it once or twice a day. I expect to get off of it totally once I start exercising more regularly.

 

[esdel]

Sounds to me like you want this doctor to make it OK for you to vape, but that doctor obviously had no idea about e-cigs and made a snap judgement, which was irresponsible on her part if she assumed that had caused your problem and therefore failed to investigate any other possible causes. Besides, if you've vaped before and this only happened one time, it's impossible to say that vaping was what caused it. YOU are in charge of your own body, and nobody else. Doctors are wrong all the time. I don't say you should completely dismiss this doctor's opinion, but at this point, no doctor can definitively tell you that vaping caused your attack, so consider that, too. As for taking the vapor in your lungs, lots of people "stealth vape." This involves breathing in the vapor and holding it in your lungs for a few seconds, which makes it disappear by the time you exhale so people in public places won't know you're vaping.

 

[Tober138]

I find that a lot of medical professionals are against these things, where i live. If its not medically certified, then its an absolute no no.

You can't blame them. If they encourage its use and something bad does happen that may be even remotely connected to e-cig use (valid or not) they could open themselves to a major lawsuit.

Its unfortunate but, with malpractice suits wildly out of control in this country, they have to be mindful of such things.

And those of you bashing the doctor are being a bit reactionary yourselves.

 

[Poeia]

You don't use the inhaler all day every day, and there is medicine in them, that likely overides any ill effects of any amount of PG in them. So comparing the pg in the inhaler to the amount in ejuice is senseless.

If inhaling propylene glycol can cause asthma attacks, it shouldn't be used in asthma inhalers. Of course two big breaths a couple of times a day are less likely to trigger an attack than inhaling a few milliliters but why would they use something harmful to the lungs in a lung medicine at all? If the attitude is "it's not all that dangerous," why not use nitrous oxide like they do for whipped cream? Not everyone who huffs rupture blood vessels and die and asthma attacks would be a lot more "fun."

And those of you bashing the doctor are being a bit reactionary yourselves.

I think the doctor-bashing comes from her "ordering" the OP to stop using a product that she knows nothing about and stating that the only way to quit was the tried and not-particularly-true traditional methods.

Had this doctor said "Do not use it again tonight. You need to get thoroughly checked out to see if this, or some component of it, caused your attack. Here's a referral for you to see a pulmonologist. I want you to call first thing in the morning to make an appointment." I would say she acted appropriately. But clamping her hands over her ears while she chanted "No vaping. No vaping. Use Chantrix. The only side effect of that is suicide." hardly qualifies as a well-thought-out treatment plan.

 

[boston joe]

Can you say second opinion?

i agree 100% the nurse practitioner at my Dr.s office told me to stop using my PV because it's not FDA approved. a week later i went an saw my Dr. and he said keep using it because my asthma is the best it's been in yrs. and my breathing and sinuses are getting a lot better. so i'd go see your primary care Dr. just my

 

[Katya]

I would like to ask all the inhaler users to please check the ingredients in them. AFAIK, PG is not used in asthma inhalers any more, hasn't been in a long time. I believe it was used in them in the past, but was replaced with some other agent that is more efficient.

This is not to say that PG is bad or dangerous, I'm using it all the time. It's just that the myth still persists and won't go away. I would actually like to find proof that it is used for asthma treatment now. This would help us fight the FDA arguments against e-cigs, but I know that a lot of folks have tried and failed to find any evidence of PG in asthma inhalers.

PG is on the FDA list of approved substances, but has never been listed as an igredient in an actual inhaler TMK.

Any help will be appreciated. If anybody can find an inhaler with PG listed as one of the ingredients, please post it hear and I'll forward the info to Kristine.

Thanks.

 

[esdel]

You can't blame them. If they encourage its use and something bad does happen that may be even remotely connected to e-cig use (valid or not) they could open themselves to a major lawsuit.

Its unfortunate but, with malpractice suits wildly out of control in this country, they have to be mindful of such things.

And those of you bashing the doctor are being a bit reactionary yourselves.

Reactionary?? Do you even know the meaning of that word?

"Synonyms: backward-looking, conservative, illiberal, unreceptive, unreasonable, intolerant, bigoted, intransigent, diehard, medieval, prehistoric, outdated ."

Perhaps you mean "overreacting," which is not at all the same thing. Ironically, it was the doctor who was reactionary. Also, I don't believe anyone here has said that the doctor should have encouraged the use of PVs. Yes, malpractice suits are wildly out of control in this country (USA). The OP lives in the UK.

 

[houseofreggae]

Definitely scary...anyone else experienced asthma-like or adverse reactions from vaping?

 

[VRubin]

My husband was just prescribed a new Albuterol inhaler last week. It says:
CONTENTS: A microcrystaline suspension of albuterol in propellants (trichloromonofluoromethane and dichlorodifluoromethane) with oleic acid.