OVALE eVic !!! is this the future of vaping???

[tim_man]

Did it ever say it was installing drivers or anything?

I vaguely remember seeing something to that effect...

 

[sanman969]

nice post Irage.

Even if the eVic isn't dynamic-VW I still want to set my watts rather than my voltage because I switch attys. I don't even mind an on/off cycle for detecting the new atty. I just don't like the contortion I have to go through to change the watts on the eVic. I think they should change it so that you can select Volts or Watts and have it display either on the main vape screen and be adjustable with the jog wheel. Right now I have to go into the watts setting screen and move through/set each digit. What a pain!

I don't get this. Than you would be saying the same exact thing for VV.

Watts = Volts² / Resistance

The entire purpose of VW is to give someone the ability to keep the heat on the wire consistent without having to dial in the settings each time they change devices.

But even without that, you can use VW the same way you would VV. When you adjust the wattage you're actually upping the voltage. In fact, really, on a VV device when you up the voltage what you're really doing is attempting to increase the watts as the above formula shows.

Even if you decide you like adjust one part of the equation over the other, I can't imagine how anyone would understand this and not see the potential in VW for certain people.

 

[Thrasher]

As in ... there wouldn't be many Provari v1 users on the forums because they would be v2 users due to the ease and no cost of upgrading themselves.

And there is more things that can be changed in the firmware than just adding VW so no, that really wasn't my point. But again, just because you find VW useless doesn't mean everyone feels it's useless to begin with.

Im not getting involved but the v1 to v2 provari was a chipset change as the newer one was more accurate and an increse in current if i remember. no matter how many firmwares you download you cannot reprogram a whole chip it does what it does, you can rewrite the algorithms for it and hope it gets better but not redesign it through software.

 

[tc1]

You sure the upgrade was an entire chipset? I though I've read it was just firmware. $20 seems pretty cheap if they had to replace the entire chipset. (Especially considering they charge an extra $15 just for a different LED screen and the time it takes to put one in is the same for any color) I mean replacing a $80-$90 chipset at $20 doesn't seem logical to me.

Amp limits are generally software based, as most switches can more than handle the amp ratings we are working with in ecigs. I just don't see why you would have to replace the entire chipset when amp limits are handled in software and the switch.

 

[Thrasher]

relaxe dude,, lol.. i said i think.. remember reading it somewhere,that the last chip wasnt as stable for the voltage and the upgrade is why its so accurate now.
A letter posted from Provape on ECF.(in part.)
The V2 upgrade usually consists of a software upgrade, adding components and occassionally, depending on how old the ProVari is, it may need to get a new circuit board or wiring to the top cap.

the whole thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/315880-all-real-changes-provari-v1-v2-upgrade.html

umm maybe the cheapness is part of the excellent customer service?? just a guess.

to any of you v1 owners who have some time inon your PV, it really is worth the upgrade as its more then a simple update, some get whole new boards, wires , endcaps and basically they refurbish it if need be as so its not just a simple update.

 

[BuGlen]

Amp limits are generally software based, as most switches can more than handle the amp ratings we are working with in ecigs. I just don't see why you would have to replace the entire chipset when amp limits are handled in software and the switch.

I certainly hope you are wrong about the amp limits only being controlled by software / firmware alone. Given the nature of the batteries we use in these devices, it would be a bad engineering decision (IMO) to not have a hardware limit with a simple current regulator circuit (or chip), even if it's just a backup to the software controlled limits. I'm not saying that the other APV upgrade to V2, being used for comparison, is using a hardware regulator, but I believe that not having that in the design could leave the manufacturer open to litigation if something goes wrong.

Now I think I need to contact that other vendor to find out how they regulate their current.

 

[RPadTV]

I just don't like the contortion I have to go through to change the watts on the eVic. I think they should change it so that you can select Volts or Watts and have it display either on the main vape screen and be adjustable with the jog wheel. Right now I have to go into the watts setting screen and move through/set each digit. What a pain!

That's actually being addressed in the first firmware update. I totally agree that it's a pain as it is.

Anyone using this with a Kanger T3? It was smooth sailing with my carto/tanks, but the T3 was problematic for me since these base of the clearomizer is covered by the mod. One time I tried to unscrew the T3 from the eVic, but the base of the clearo stayed on the mod and I had a lovely e-liquid spill on my shirt.

 

[tc1]

I certainly hope you are wrong about the amp limits only being controlled by software / firmware alone. Given the nature of the batteries we use in these devices, it would be a bad engineering decision (IMO) to not have a hardware limit with a simple current regulator circuit (or chip), even if it's just a backup to the software controlled limits. I'm not saying that the other APV upgrade to V2, being used for comparison, is using a hardware regulator, but I believe that not having that in the design could leave the manufacturer open to litigation if something goes wrong.

Now I think I need to contact that other vendor to find out how they regulate their current.

Woah. Never said it was controlled by software alone. The metal used in the switch is designed to pass a certain amount of current and then it will begin to resist once it's too high. That is your "mechanical control" over amp limit.

What you find however, is that often the software is set to a lower limit than what is found at the switch. That probably makes more sense.

 

[dragonbone]

To me it looks like a big gimmick. A device for people that think by using this they will have a better vaping experience. Really if you think a little you know it is not. It might be appealing all the LED's and settings but really it is not going to blow you away or be any better then what is already out there. You can give this device to a novice and he/she will have the same crappy vape if they don't know what to put on top of it. IMHO it is about the heat of the wire, not so much voltage or wattage or how shiny the unit looks. After 3 years + of vaping every device that has been on the market I dare to say that the best vape is achieved when you have all the variables perfect: the device, the batteries, the the ingredients, all together in harmony will give you that experience. You can achieve that with little money, no fancy high tech devices but with the knowledge of what those variables mean.

It is like cooking: you think a digital oven will make a better dish?

Haven't I seen you in other threads showing off your many very expensive shiny, rare mods? Maybe I am confusing you with someone else?

 

[tc1]

relaxe dude,, lol.. i said i think.. remember reading it somewhere,that the last chip wasnt as stable for the voltage and the upgrade is why its so accurate now.
A letter posted from Provape on ECF.(in part.)
The V2 upgrade usually consists of a software upgrade, adding components and occassionally, depending on how old the ProVari is, it may need to get a new circuit board or wiring to the top cap.

the whole thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/315880-all-real-changes-provari-v1-v2-upgrade.html

umm maybe the cheapness is part of the excellent customer service?? just a guess.

to any of you v1 owners who have some time inon your PV, it really is worth the upgrade as its more then a simple update, some get whole new boards, wires , endcaps and basically they refurbish it if need be as so its not just a simple update.

I'm relaxed. Some of my posts tend to be long winded but I assure you I'm not getting angry or anything. Just trying to be thorough in what I post. I can't honestly speak to the whole upgrade thing because it's been so dang long ago that I honestly don't remember anything outside of some comments referring to a firmware upgrade. If it required more (and frankly, even at $20 to upgrade the firmware isn't bad) ... then that just does to show how well they treat their users.

Just so we're clear ... I 'aint mad atcha ... nor am I a Provari hater (I think it's a great device with a great company)

 

[BuGlen]

Woah. Never said it was controlled by software alone. The metal used in the switch is designed to pass a certain amount of current and then it will begin to resist once it's too high. That is your "mechanical control" over amp limit.

What you find however, is that often the software is set to a lower limit than what is found at the switch. That probably makes more sense.

No problem, and I don't mean to be an alarmist. I've seen people say "maybe they'll increase the amp limit with a firmware upgrade" every now and again in these eVic threads and it makes me wonder. As someone with just a bit of EE knowledge and years of experience with software (and it's many glitches), it just makes me nervous to think that some engineer might think it's a good idea to bake that "upgrade" into the design.

I'll try to stop being paranoid now.

 

[tc1]

No problem, and I don't mean to be an alarmist. I've seen people say "maybe they'll increase the amp limit with a firmware upgrade" every now and again in these eVic threads and it makes me wonder. As someone with just a bit of EE knowledge and years of experience with software (and it's many glitches), it just makes me nervous to think that some engineer might think it's a good idea to bake that "upgrade" into the design.

I'll try to stop being paranoid now.

Haha! I get where your coming from though. I do know there is talk atm that the eVic is being amp limited and those who think it's in the software. Again, because they're assuming the amp limit at the switch is rated more than the 2.2amps some are getting.

 

[Big Screen D]

I have one coming sometime in January. I have Provari mini, but think the Evic looks cool.

Love the idea that the head is removable, so I have no doubt optional tubes will soon be available. The one thing that I don't like about the Provari is it is heavy. I expect the Evic with it's aluminum tube to be much lighter. Is it?

 

[Symmetry]

nice post Irage.

Even if the eVic isn't dynamic-VW I still want to set my watts rather than my voltage because I switch attys. I don't even mind an on/off cycle for detecting the new atty. I just don't like the contortion I have to go through to change the watts on the eVic. I think they should change it so that you can select Volts or Watts and have it display either on the main vape screen and be adjustable with the jog wheel. Right now I have to go into the watts setting screen and move through/set each digit. What a pain!

I wouldn't be surprised to see this in a future firmware revision.

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[tc1]

I have one coming sometime in January. I have Provari mini, but think the Evic looks cool.

Love the idea that the head is removable, so I have no doubt optional tubes will soon be available. The one thing that I don't like about the Provari is it is heavy. I expect the Evic with it's aluminum tube to be much lighter. Is it?

Considering I've heard that it seems like it's using an ego 18650 mod tube ... I'd say it's definitely lighter. Most of your weight in a metal PV is going to be the casing/tubing. So your basically going from a decently thick stainless steel tube to a thinner aluminum tube. Hopefully someone who owns or has held both can chime in but I don't think I'm wrong on this one.

 

[tim_man]

my provari mini is like a cement block compared to the the evic

 

[RPadTV]

I wouldn't be surprised to see this in a future firmware revision.

Indeed! The first update is slated for next week.

 

[denali_41]

No, didn't get it...

oh i got it alright,,but then again i am not a vw fanboi !!


i am done with this thread now so get your jabs in coz i won't be back

its become irrational at best !!

 

[AttyPops]

My guess is that the firmware changes are mostly for tweaking settings to be closer to actual displayed values, or changing the user interface and menu structure. A nice thing to be able to do. It won't change amp limits in the hardware though. Only in the case where the amp limit is software limited...like a vape "governor".

I did see a video where it said that the e-vic will get hot with heavy vaping loads...but it didn't give exact figures. It was a Joyetech promo vid. That was disappointing. They probably have a "thermistor" of some sort measuring the power fet or something. Anyway IDK why they wouldn't use heaver duty parts for the few cents it would cost them...given the price point here. This is all guesswork on my part though so take with a grain of salt.

As to the VW debate...meh. Different coils perform differently at the same wattage, particularly since I started winding my own on a Vivi Nova. So VW to me is irrelevant. Maybe better and more consistent with standard atomizers/cartos in the same general class and switching between them.

 

[Thompson]

I think VW is nice for RBA, because the minor inconsistencies between one head and another would require no work on the user once the wattage was already set.

That being said, changing volts doesn't bother me and I'm rebuilding.