Ok, anyone that can help me find information on exactly what the PA CIAA states regarding what is, and what is not banned under the Act... I know e-cigs are not covered under the Act, but I want to find clear cut proof that can be shown to the skeptics that don't know that truth.
PA Clean Indoor Air Act
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Write to the PA Department of Health through their website. Explain that e cigs do not burn, have no tobacco, etc. Look at the actual language of the law and show how e cigs do not violate any of it. I did that in Ohio, and they wrote back saying that e cigs do not violate the Ohio smoking ban, which incidentally is much stricter than PA's law.
I'm reading over the Act, and it's fairly standard in terms of vocabulary and expected items.
Clean Air Council | Indoor Air
You could always print a section to carry with you.
Clean Air Council | Indoor Air
You could always print a section to carry with you.
"Smoking" means the carrying by a person of a lighted cigar, cigarette, pipe or other lighted smoking device.
'other lighted smoking device'... the ignorant masses will say thats what we have since it lights up... unless i'm reading too far into this...
If possible, get the proper authorities to write their response on their letterhead.
Carries a little more weight to some.
but remember... all states have their own set of laws.... something from Washington state has no worth in arguing a point in PA
Lighted means ignited! Clean air acts and smoking bans address combustion, period!
Laws are just a guideline for how a judge should enforce society ethics.
EG, you can and will be charged with every possible thing which they believe you may be guilty of. The judge has to determine if you are actually guilty of any, or all of the accused crimes.
Unless the judge is having a sour day... "a lighted device", will hold no water. It is vague, and too general. This includes candles, pilot-lights, light-bulbs, night-lights, incense, oil-lamps, lighters, matches, televisions, etc... You would simply have your lawyer proclaim a mistrial, as the court/judge is actively participating in the same criminal activities, by holding a court in session with overhead lighting, which is a lighted device. You could also hand the judge a lighter, candle, match, flashlight, and ask him to use any one of those devices safely, in a socially and acceptable way, in turn, providing that being a lighted device does not constitute an injustification or breach of socially acceptable law.
...... make laws... judges have to rewrite all of them to make sense.
The term, "Lighted device", should be reworded to say, "Ignited material which has been proven to have medical repercussions to other persons within the enclosed proximity."
Key-words... "Ignited", "Proven", "Medical repercussions", "Other persons", "Enclosed proximity".
That covers all burning chemicals which are "Known", to cause harm, in a room or an entire building that is enclosed. While it ignores situations where YOU are the only individual, and situations where "Ignition of material is unknown or found to be safe, medically." (Stopping witch-hunters from sending people burning things which have no harmful byproducts, in allowable situations.)
I think that covers most issues. LOL.. No, I am not a lawyer... consult a lawyer before you apear before a judge, or participate in using "Lighted devices".
EG, you can and will be charged with every possible thing which they believe you may be guilty of. The judge has to determine if you are actually guilty of any, or all of the accused crimes.
Unless the judge is having a sour day... "a lighted device", will hold no water. It is vague, and too general. This includes candles, pilot-lights, light-bulbs, night-lights, incense, oil-lamps, lighters, matches, televisions, etc... You would simply have your lawyer proclaim a mistrial, as the court/judge is actively participating in the same criminal activities, by holding a court in session with overhead lighting, which is a lighted device. You could also hand the judge a lighter, candle, match, flashlight, and ask him to use any one of those devices safely, in a socially and acceptable way, in turn, providing that being a lighted device does not constitute an injustification or breach of socially acceptable law.
...... make laws... judges have to rewrite all of them to make sense.
The term, "Lighted device", should be reworded to say, "Ignited material which has been proven to have medical repercussions to other persons within the enclosed proximity."
Key-words... "Ignited", "Proven", "Medical repercussions", "Other persons", "Enclosed proximity".
That covers all burning chemicals which are "Known", to cause harm, in a room or an entire building that is enclosed. While it ignores situations where YOU are the only individual, and situations where "Ignition of material is unknown or found to be safe, medically." (Stopping witch-hunters from sending people burning things which have no harmful byproducts, in allowable situations.)
I think that covers most issues. LOL.. No, I am not a lawyer... consult a lawyer before you apear before a judge, or participate in using "Lighted devices".
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I disagree with you ISAWHIM. Almost all statutes and ordinances have definitional sections, where operative and key words are defined.
Even in the rare occurance that an ordinance or statute fails to have a critical word defined in a separate section, there will be legislative history that will make it clear.
I guarantee you that no one in the PA legal system would think a light bulb, an led, a flashlight, etc, would fall within the meaning of that quoted legislation.
As I said, lighted means ignited!
Even in the rare occurance that an ordinance or statute fails to have a critical word defined in a separate section, there will be legislative history that will make it clear.
I guarantee you that no one in the PA legal system would think a light bulb, an led, a flashlight, etc, would fall within the meaning of that quoted legislation.
As I said, lighted means ignited!
Why press the issue? Not the way to get things accomplished IMO. Pick your battles.....
I generally oblige the complainers by a quick "OK" while putting it "out" on my forehead and putting it back in my pocket, with clip of course. I will sometimes comment on how convincing their coughing act was.....
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