Painful PG reaction issues

[built4feel]

I'm going through this right now too. I've been vaping for almost two years. Three weeks ago I started getting canker sores. I've never had them before in my life. I have a few places on my tongue that feel raw. If I drink anything acidic it burns something awful.

The absolute weirdest thing is I get what feels like a burn bubble on the roof of my mouth. You know how you get a burn from hot pizza on the roof of your mouth? I get the feeling of the bubble while doing nothing. I'm not eating, drinking, or vaping but it just happens.

The burn bubble I've been getting for awhile but the sores are new. Sometimes it feels like I've been eating a sour candy and let it sit on my tongue too long. Hard to describe!

The only thing different I've done is using cellucotton in my kayfuns. So weird.


I feel your pain!
I find that a saltwater rinse helps speed up the healing. It hurts but it helps.



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Ouch!...have you tried biotene or any mouthwash or other product for dry-mouth?

I forgot to pick up some "Folate (B-12) drops from a health food store" - mentioned by Megan on the first page for healing, which sounds like it would help.

Sorry to hear, that doesnt sound fun!

edit: Ive also been using cellucotton (rayon) for about two months, and I, personally, haven't had any increase in mouth dryness/irritation, probably less than cotton even...Im waiting for KGD though, so I won't be using the rayon much longer.

I also mistyped the reo website, and it won't let me edit that post from last page... its http://www.reosmods.com/

Also, get the walmart brand biotene, its way cheaper .

 

[COHgirl]

I'm going to try the b-12 and see if that makes a difference.

I think it's got to be related to the citrusy vapes I've used. Seems like it occurs more with those.

When I first started vaping I used a local vendor's juice. I believe they were high PG. it wasn't until a year later that I started having problems. I do know now that I can't do any cinnamon. Cinnamon gives me sores inside my nose. I really loved the cinnamon!


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[zero7starz]

I'm going to try the b-12 and see if that makes a difference.

I think it's got to be related to the citrusy vapes I've used. Seems like it occurs more with those.

When I first started vaping I used a local vendor's juice. I believe they were high PG. it wasn't until a year later that I started having problems. I do know now that I can't do any cinnamon. Cinnamon gives me sores inside my nose. I really loved the cinnamon!


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The scientist in me would really like to break down the juice and test it to find out exactly why it's bothering you. Is it the PG? Is it a flavoring or something in the flavoring? Did you really develop an allergy to it?

It's a poor situation to be in, and I'm sure that it's very frustrating, but I also find it interesting. These kinds of sensitivities are rare but becoming more common, and it fascinates me as to why. I also think if we could understand why, we could make adjustments to the recipes to remove the irritants from the juice.

Ugh. More reasons I'd like to own a masspectrometer.

 

[Pictor]

These kinds of sensitivities are rare but becoming more common, and it fascinates me as to why. I also think if we could understand why, we could make adjustments to the recipes to remove the irritants from the juice.

Ugh. More reasons I'd like to own a masspectrometer.

Anyone who could come up with a universally acceptable base liquid would get my vote!
I've more or less realised which flavours can give me problems, and PG definitely gave me many other problems, but even VG can choke me up a bit! ...and I still think the discomfort is worth it!

 

[COHgirl]

The scientist in me would really like to break down the juice and test it to find out exactly why it's bothering you. Is it the PG? Is it a flavoring or something in the flavoring? Did you really develop an allergy to it?

It's a poor situation to be in, and I'm sure that it's very frustrating, but I also find it interesting. These kinds of sensitivities are rare but becoming more common, and it fascinates me as to why. I also think if we could understand why, we could make adjustments to the recipes to remove the irritants from the juice.

Ugh. More reasons I'd like to own a masspectrometer.

It's been 10 days since I gave up fruit flavored juice. I've been mixing coffees and vanillas. Not a single problem or sore. I've been mixing my own this week too. Since it's easier to mix without doing the nicotine math, my homemade stuff is zero. I'm chain vaping the sweet stuff. No problems at all.

I'm going to reintroduce the one fruit vape that I love. I'll see how that goes.


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[Megan Kogijiki Ratchford]

It's been 10 days since I gave up fruit flavored juice. I've been mixing coffees and vanillas. Not a single problem or sore. I've been mixing my own this week too. Since it's easier to mix without doing the nicotine math, my homemade stuff is zero. I'm chain vaping the sweet stuff. No problems at all.

I'm going to reintroduce the one fruit vape that I love. I'll see how that goes.


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A grand lady who loves NT but has not been on for a while NEVER even tries fruit vapes as they rip her mouth up something serious. You may be like that too...???

 

[COHgirl]

A grand lady who loves NT but has not been on for a while NEVER even tries fruit vapes as they rip her mouth up something serious. You may be like that too...???

Makes me wonder. I'm still using my own coffe and vanilla mix. No problems!

 

[glowplug]

It's a darn pain zero!
It's a great feeling to find it's possible to stop smoking cigarettes, and such a let-down to find there's a problem attached! I can't even stop smoking without getting a glitch! Drat!

Like the others, I'm determined to keep trying to overcome the problem whilst still keeping the process very enjoyable.
NT has certainly made it super-enjoyable!

I have found that I am sensitive to VG. It is lovingly called 'swamp lung' by some folks. My chest feels heavy, I feel short of breath and even wheeze a little bit. As long as my VG is no more than 50%, it isn't too bad. However, 70/30 seems to be the best spot if I can find it.

It is much easier for me to find high PG juices than it is for you (and those that share your sensitivity) to find good VG juices. I sympathize with you all and I have a feeling Clark will be responding to this with more offerings as he gets his new venture up and running. My fingers are crossed! Everyone should have the option of over indulging in NT juices just as I do!

 

[glowplug]

Makes me wonder. I'm still using my own coffe and vanilla mix. No problems!

You are also vaping 0 nic. I wonder how many of us have an allergy to the nicotine in solution. Now, wouldn't that just be too ironic? I think you should try adding some nic to the coffee/vanilla mix and see if it causes any problems. I am skeptical that it would, but you never know. Since all the different juice ratios cause problems for cherokee it makes me think it might be the nic in that situation.

Megan, thank you for the B12 information. I have had burning problems with my mouth for years and years (funny, now that I vape and don't smoke, seems to have gone away for the most part!) and it still comes and goes. Sure wish I had heard of this sooner. However, B12 can never hurt so I am going to add the drops to my vitamin menu!

 

[COHgirl]

I have found that I am sensitive to VG.

I think that I could be sensitive to VG too, but not alone.

The first 8 months of vaping was with high PG juices from the gas station. I loved blueberry, orange, and menthol. This was the only juice I used. No problems except chapped lips. Last August I walked into my first vape store and found out about other juices. Then I discovered how to order online. That's when the problem started.

I now know cinnamon can give me irritation inside my nose. I've given that up and no more inside the nose pimples.

I've completely stayed away from strong citrus vapes for the past month and I've not had any issues. I do use low nicotine levels, 6 to zero.

The irritation returns when I vape fruity flavors with higher VG.

I wish I knew exactly what was in a couple of the juices I use that I know can cause a reaction. Then I could narrow it down more. Reading the DIY posts I see that citric acid can be added. I wondered if VG with citric acid is more of a problem for me.




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[Kent Brooks]

I think that I could be sensitive to VG too, but not alone.

The first 8 months of vaping was with high PG juices from the gas station. I loved blueberry, orange, and menthol. This was the only juice I used. No problems except chapped lips. Last August I walked into my first vape store and found out about other juices. Then I discovered how to order online. That's when the problem started.

I now know cinnamon can give me irritation inside my nose. I've given that up and no more inside the nose pimples.

I've completely stayed away from strong citrus vapes for the past month and I've not had any issues. I do use low nicotine levels, 6 to zero.

The irritation returns when I vape fruity flavors with higher VG.

I wish I knew exactly what was in a couple of the juices I use that I know can cause a reaction. Then I could narrow it down more. Reading the DIY posts I see that citric acid can be added. I wondered if VG with citric acid is more of a problem for me.




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Citric Acid is a very common ingredient in eLiquid, especially in fruit. I wish I had some insight - it sounds like you are on the right track though... it may take some experimentation to find out where your individual sensitivities are.

 

[gotalotgoingon]

I have found that I am sensitive to VG. It is lovingly called 'swamp lung' by some folks. My chest feels heavy, I feel short of breath and even wheeze a little bit. As long as my VG is no more than 50%, it isn't too bad. However, 70/30 seems to be the best spot if I can find it.

It is much easier for me to find high PG juices than it is for you (and those that share your sensitivity) to find good VG juices. I sympathize with you all and I have a feeling Clark will be responding to this with more offerings as he gets his new venture up and running. My fingers are crossed! Everyone should have the option of over indulging in NT juices just as I do!

I think I have this as well which really sucks cuz I like my liquid at 30/70 pg/vg. I have the same symptoms except my nose starts running as well and I start coughing.

 

[Megan Kogijiki Ratchford]

I think I have this as well which really sucks cuz I like my liquid at 30/70 pg/vg. I have the same symptoms except my nose starts running as well and I start coughing.

If you exhale through your nose the vapor will condense in your nose making it drip like a faucet. Any residual condensation will run down your throat and cause coughing. I'm always blowing my nose as a result. And during the winter I am running around with a chapped nose.

 

[M4rtin]

Cherokee I think you need some Folate (B-12) drops from a health food store. I'm not saying this will fix your PG reaction but the Folate heals the mouth fast. I can go on a Zotz bender and my mouth will be bloody and raw and everything hurting so I drop 10 drops in my mouth and swish it all over and it eases the pain and the sores and cuts heal right up.

Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! I was vaping another popular e-juice (non nicoticket, I know, I know, it was before I discovered Nicoticket, I am newb okay) and it tore up the inside of my top lip and tongue. It is still healing! So when I read this, I went out and got the B12 Liquid from my supermarket. It works immediately.

I cannot thank you enough for your help!! My lips and tongue thank you too!!!

This is what I bought. I took the dropper and applied it around the inside of mouth.

 

[Megan Kogijiki Ratchford]

Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! I was vaping another popular e-juice (non nicoticket, I know, I know, it was before I discovered Nicoticket, I am newb okay) and it tore up the inside of my top lip and tongue. It is still healing! So when I read this, I went out and got the B12 Liquid from my supermarket. It works immediately.

I cannot thank you enough for your help!! My lips and tongue thank you too!!!

This is what I bought. I took the dropper and applied it around the inside of mouth.
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Excellent! So glad it worked for you! It's really good for your gums overall as well so it's not a bad thing to do even if your mouth isn't sore.

 

[CigFreedMike]

I'm glad (but not glad anyones having problems) to see this thread because vaping is THE REASON that I was able to quit smoking after forty years, but I ran into a problem of broncho-constriction after a few months of vaping and that has been a problem since. PG is known to cause broncho-constriction, but certainly ANYTHING that is inhaled can do so also. I experimented and found that both PG alone or VG alone caused broncho-constriction with or without nicotine. I also tried various brands etc...and found that they can all do it, some worse than others. Strangely, some days it won't happen, most days it does.

These chemicals (PG and VG) are very drying.

There are other things I'm sure they are doing to the mouth, mucosa, gums, larynx and lungs that we just don't know about.

I enjoyed reading all the good suggestions that were given and they were certainly helpful to me.

One other thing, though, is both washing the mouth out with water (and drinking water copiously) can alleviate a lot of problems.

Makes sense if there's a chemical entering your mouth, usually along the same direction, and at a certain temperature, that frequent rinsing with water should lessen the severity of it's effect.

If you've got asthma, or emphysema (as I have), this broncho-constriction can be a serious if not deadly problem (people DO die of asthma).

My pulmonologist stopped recommending electronic cigarettes to help quit smoking after a patient of his had such severe broncho-constriction after trying it that he had to be hospitalized.

 

[Megan Kogijiki Ratchford]

I'm glad (but not glad anyones having problems) to see this thread because vaping is THE REASON that I was able to quit smoking after forty years, but I ran into a problem of broncho-constriction after a few months of vaping and that has been a problem since. PG is known to cause broncho-constriction, but certainly ANYTHING that is inhaled can do so also. I experimented and found that both PG alone or VG alone caused broncho-constriction with or without nicotine. I also tried various brands etc...and found that they can all do it, some worse than others. Strangely, some days it won't happen, most days it does.

These chemicals (PG and VG) are very drying.

There are other things I'm sure they are doing to the mouth, mucosa, gums, larynx and lungs that we just don't know about.

I enjoyed reading all the good suggestions that were given and they were certainly helpful to me.

One other thing, though, is both washing the mouth out with water (and drinking water copiously) can alleviate a lot of problems.

Makes sense if there's a chemical entering your mouth, usually along the same direction, and at a certain temperature, that frequent rinsing with water should lessen the severity of it's effect.

If you've got asthma, or emphysema (as I have), this broncho-constriction can be a serious if not deadly problem (people DO die of asthma).

My pulmonologist stopped recommending electronic cigarettes to help quit smoking after a patient of his had such severe broncho-constriction after trying it that he had to be hospitalized.

Very good points. And if you know or not you don't need to inhale vapor to get the nic hit. In your case I would pull the vape into your mouth, roll it around a bit then exhale out your nose. The mouth and the nose grab the nicotine, no need to involve the lungs at all.

Personally I found that I never draw vape into my lungs as while I'm pulling the vape into my mouth I'm inhaling air into my lungs via my nose so the vape goes no lower than my throat as I then exhale through my nose. I even did this when I smoked. Weird the things you discover about your habits.

 

[DaBucs]

I'm glad (but not glad anyones having problems) to see this thread because vaping is THE REASON that I was able to quit smoking after forty years, but I ran into a problem of broncho-constriction after a few months of vaping and that has been a problem since. PG is known to cause broncho-constriction, but certainly ANYTHING that is inhaled can do so also. I experimented and found that both PG alone or VG alone caused broncho-constriction with or without nicotine. I also tried various brands etc...and found that they can all do it, some worse than others. Strangely, some days it won't happen, most days it does.

These chemicals (PG and VG) are very drying.

There are other things I'm sure they are doing to the mouth, mucosa, gums, larynx and lungs that we just don't know about.

I enjoyed reading all the good suggestions that were given and they were certainly helpful to me.

One other thing, though, is both washing the mouth out with water (and drinking water copiously) can alleviate a lot of problems.

Makes sense if there's a chemical entering your mouth, usually along the same direction, and at a certain temperature, that frequent rinsing with water should lessen the severity of it's effect.

If you've got asthma, or emphysema (as I have), this broncho-constriction can be a serious if not deadly problem (people DO die of asthma).

My pulmonologist stopped recommending electronic cigarettes to help quit smoking after a patient of his had such severe broncho-constriction after trying it that he had to be hospitalized.

I feel lucky that i have had no negative effects. I do have asthma...and lucky for me I only ever had one attack in my life when I was like 7-8 years old...that said sometimes i do get a hack from vaping that clears up once i get more liquids in me

 

[COHgirl]

Hi all.

I could use a bit of advice. I have been a bit troubled by vaping recently, as it is totally tearing my mouth apart. It is way, way more than just VT. My tongue is getting actual irritated bumps on the sides of it, and the roof of my mouth is raw. Not fun at all. Admittedly, I have not been drinking a ton of water. But I really do not vape a ton. Maybe 2-3 mls a day max.

Also - I vape exclusively NT juice - so I know the PG is of good quality. After getting advice in PM's from other veteran ECF members, and searching some threads - I am essentially convinced that I am actually one of those rare people who do, in fact, have a PG sensitivity. This is WAY more than just VT, and I never had any similar symptoms prior to vaping.

It is also noteworthy to mention that this is not from me ceasing smoking, as I never really smoked more than 2 packs prior to vaping. I have read many threads about prior smokers having mouth issues while they are "coming off" the nasty stinkies- but this is not the issue for me. Further evidence of this being a real PG allergy/sensitivity. My mouth feels torn up like all day. It sucks.

I am going to try to vape as many MaxVG juices in the coming days as possible to test the waters. I have a rather large NT stockpile, but virtually all of my juice is non-maxVG.

I do have the Roundhouse, and was hoping that someone could tell me the other juices that only come in MaxVG - as I never ordered any Virus, PBC, etc. in maxVG.

Thanks so much for any feedback!

Cherokee

I posted in this thread that I was starting to get mouth sores and thought it might be the citrus vapes...well I'm now convinced it had nothing to do with that.

I really think the problem was the new toothpaste I started using. I had been given Crest whitening toothpaste in the summer. After I started using this stuff is when my problems began. I stopped using it three weeks ago. I am using the same vapes that were bothering me and now I am having no issues at all. Weird!

 

[tpriest1030]

Citric Acid is extracted from Black Mold. That may be the cause of some people's issues if you have a mold allergy.