Panasonic industrial newest NCR-18650A li-ion battery
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It's unprotected. Seems like an interesting new cell chemistry, NNP, but I don't know anything about it.
You'd probably be better off with either of these:
IMR Panasonic 18650, IMR battery, IMR 18650, high drain battery, high drain cell,
Protected Panasonic 3100mAh 18650 battery cell - Assembly made by Orbtronic
from the same site, although at those prices, not sure why you wouldn't just buy an AW IMR instead.
edit: realized that the NNP is not all that expensive, since the shown price is for a set of 2
You'd probably be better off with either of these:
IMR Panasonic 18650, IMR battery, IMR 18650, high drain battery, high drain cell,
Protected Panasonic 3100mAh 18650 battery cell - Assembly made by Orbtronic
from the same site, although at those prices, not sure why you wouldn't just buy an AW IMR instead.
edit: realized that the NNP is not all that expensive, since the shown price is for a set of 2
i did a little reading, it turns out that the AW protected batteries (black with silver label) use these cells, so not so new after all I guess
You can see those here: AW Protected 18650 3100 mAh
You can see those here: AW Protected 18650 3100 mAh
In your link those AW cells are advertised as "new".
Very expensive AW cell IMO
Very expensive AW cell IMO
i did a little reading, it turns out that the AW protected batteries (black with silver label) use these cells, so not so new after all I guess
You can see those here: AW Protected 18650 3100 mAh
yeah the 3100 mAh version is "new" compared to the smaller capacity versions of the same battery. it is expensive, i don't see any reason to use these for our purposes in place of the AW IMR's, but to each their own.
After doing some research on "mysterious" AW (no support, no web site, no contact info) uses 18650 Sanyo, or Panasonic cells and put AW label on them. That's all.
You can always get better deal by buying brand name with high current capabilities.
Am I wrong?
You can always get better deal by buying brand name with high current capabilities.
Am I wrong?
AW is Andrew Wong, you can contact him here: AW's LiIon Batteries Sales Thread *Part 12*
AW picks select panasonic cells to his particular specifications and then sells them. If you're familiar with computer components, this would be similar to memory suppliers like Corsair, G.skill, Mushkin, etc. They're all using chips by the same manufacturers, but they're selecting specific chips which meet their (much tighter) tolerances for performance. AW is essentially selling the best-of-the-best panasonic cells.
Thank you for info! Weird - they do not have web site or something like every great seller.
So, basically there is no AW manufacturer - only seller named AW on that forum who sells Panasonic cells under his initials. What a great idea. Minimum investment - great profit.
If I have Panasonic 18650 IMR or Sanyo IMR cell, that should be the same as AW.
It is good to know.
Actually he's hit the nail right on the head. Quality control is handled by the manufacturer, not the reseller. If the same cells are used, the only difference is the wrapper.
Thank you. I've been in electronic manufacturing for years. As I remember it is (motherboards in this case) ICT inner circuit test, and FVT functional verification test. Few more, but that's about it.
There is no adjusting threshold for some less important customers, or improving quality for others.
You have certain quality requirements, it cannot go below that (it will not pass the test).
I believe those Japanese stick even more to their strict quality requirements.
I do not believe Panasonic has some special product line only for AW.
Those are just Panasonic 18650 cells nothing more , nothing less.
Am I wrong ?
As I said, you missed the point.
I didn't say that panasonic manufactures special batteries for AW. I said that AW purchases *select* batteries based on their own tolerances from panasonic, which they package and resell. It comes down to preference. I like AW batteries, and will always buy them over regular panasonic cells for the reasons I've mentioned. If you don't feel that way, by all means, buy whatever batteries you'd like.
I didn't say that panasonic manufactures special batteries for AW. I said that AW purchases *select* batteries based on their own tolerances from panasonic, which they package and resell. It comes down to preference. I like AW batteries, and will always buy them over regular panasonic cells for the reasons I've mentioned. If you don't feel that way, by all means, buy whatever batteries you'd like.
Not really and I think you are missing the point. The anology to computer components is a good one. When a company manufactures computer chips they have specifications in mind for those chips. However, when they actually make them, some meet the specs, some exceed the specs, some don't meet the specs but, can be reclassified to a lower spec and some are just junk.
When a company buys those chips for resale, they can say they only want the ones that exceed the spec by a specific amount. Ianim is saying that batteries have variances like computer chips. AW only buys the ones that exceed the spec by a specified amount. So, a battery that might be good enough to sell as a Sanyo or Panasonic may not be good enough to sell as an AW.
Did I get that right Ianim?
completely right, thanks for clarifying. difficult to explain that process to people who may not be familiar with how boutique computer component companies operate.
If you go out to the flashlight and laser sword groups you will see this company and its batteries have a lot of reviews - some good and some not so good - since I do not have the links saved I will not quote the reviews, but just let me say these groups have spent a lot of time reviewing batts and I use them as a starting point for any batt I buy...
I was just thinking of asking this exact question as well. After reading up I have a battery but what about the fit in a Provari? Looks like its thicker due to extra insulation. The top button is also bigger in diameter. I suspect the bigger button would not be a problem though. http://www.orbtronic.com/batteries-...8650a-protection-ic-made-in-japan-top-button/
Is AW really getting the best cells, or ?
I do not think so. Info (test) below is from one of the most trusted battery reviewer.
AW clearly has the worst performing cells, comparing to the SAME cells Panasonic NCR18650A 3100mAh from other sources.
What I am trying to say is: AW has no ability to "choose" best of the best. Panasonic makes cells of the same quality (obviously very good quality), and if the cell doesn't pass PANASONIC (not AW) tests, it will NOT go out.
To maximize its profits in this case AW obviously picked very old cells, or what I suspect they are using cheaper version NCR18650 2900mah (not 3100mah). Test results are very close to 2900mAh performance.
From reviewer :
"These batteries are slightly lower in capacity, compare to some other batteries with the same cell, this might due to a different production batch or the cells being slightly older."
And this is link to the AW test:
Test of AW 18650 3100mAh (Black)
So think again.
I really I'm in no position to argue. I have no information one way or the other. Reading through the thread, it was clear Ianim was having a hard time getting his point across. I was just giving him an assist because I did understand the point he was trying to make. If you look, you'll see I reference him as the source for the info on batteries.
I will say that I've found the AWs I've used to be superior to Ultrafires or Trustfires but, that's as far as it goes for me. If they are cheaper, I probably will give Panasonics or Sanyos a shot in the future though. My AWs are pretty new at the moment. So, that might be a while.
If you look at the AW thread, I seem to remember that AW test these cells upon arrival and sorts them according to specs. I guess the rest are farmed out for other applications that aren't as demanding. AW has a good reputation, but so do a lot of suppliers.
Was that cell really a pair for $10.99? I couldn't find anything on the page that said this to be true.
Was that cell really a pair for $10.99? I couldn't find anything on the page that said this to be true.
Oh no,
Not arguing at all.
Just providing some valuable info (tests).
To tell you the truth I believe in tests only.
If that guy says about AW 3100mah:
"These batteries are slightly lower in capacity, compare to some other batteries with the same cell, this might due to a different production batch or the cells being slightly older."
Conclusion would be: AW doesn't perform some special tests. It is impossible to do that. You would need VERY expensive equipment to test 1000 cells a day.
The other thing is.
We should give some space to healthy competition. Don't you think so?
There are suppliers out there who are trying really hard, and have same cells, performance (in 18650 even better performance) for much better price.
More info is always better.
Not arguing at all.
Just providing some valuable info (tests).
To tell you the truth I believe in tests only.
If that guy says about AW 3100mah:
"These batteries are slightly lower in capacity, compare to some other batteries with the same cell, this might due to a different production batch or the cells being slightly older."
Conclusion would be: AW doesn't perform some special tests. It is impossible to do that. You would need VERY expensive equipment to test 1000 cells a day.
The other thing is.
We should give some space to healthy competition. Don't you think so?
There are suppliers out there who are trying really hard, and have same cells, performance (in 18650 even better performance) for much better price.
More info is always better.
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