Panasonic NCR18650B.

[anumber1]

I'm curious about the run time. Did you actually test this with the puff counter and batteries of the same age/use?
I heard the same claims made about PD vs B and they were far from the truth by over 100 puffs (and about 50 puffs for the A).

What more can I say? The NCR18650pf lasts noticably longer in my SID, Vamo and eVic.

I haven't charted the puffs with the eVic (the only one with a puff counter and not my all day every day device) but in a typical 14 hr day at work, the ncr18650b is dead after 12 to 13 hours in my SID. The ncr18650pf will get me through the day and the drive home most of the time. In a typical day I will vape 8 to 10 ml through my Rocket RBA, using a 1.5 ohm coil, at 11.5 to 12.5 watts on my smok SID.

I have just noted my direct experience in regard to my opinion and observed performance differences of the ncr18650b and the ncr18650PF.

I have not vented either model of battery so I cannot speak to the severity of either of those batteries in a failure state. I try not to do that.

Of course everyone's individual mileage will vary. The batteries are about the same price. I have my preference.

 

[Myk]

What more can I say? The NCR18650pf lasts noticably longer in my SID, Vamo and eVic.

I haven't charted the puffs with the eVic (the only one with a puff counter and not my all day every day device) but in a typical 14 hr day at work, the ncr18650b is dead after 12 to 13 hours in my SID. The ncr18650pf will get me through the day and the drive home most of the time. In a typical day I will vape 8 to 10 ml through my Rocket RBA, using a 1.5 ohm coil, at 11.5 to 12.5 watts on my Smok SID.

I have just noted my direct experience in regard to my opinion and observed performance differences of the ncr18650b and the ncr18650PF.

I have not vented either model of battery so I cannot speak to the severity of either of those batteries in a failure state. I try not to do that.

Of course everyone's individual mileage will vary. The batteries are about the same price. I have my preference.

You can say the NCR18650B gets you XXX puffs in your eVic at XΩ/X.Xv (about what I was getting, I'd have to search to get exact numbers) vs the NCR18650PF getting XXX puffs with the same head and setting. It's an easy test to run.
I ask because other people's perceptions and the testing machines didn't live up to my experiences with the B and A vs PD. (Another machine test said A dropped voltage under load, contrary to what I've tasted in a mech.)

If you're only getting 12-13 hours out of an NCR-B I question the health of your batteries (or you have a crazy set up ). New vs old batteries isn't a fair comparison.
I know my A, B and PD all quickly dropped around 50 total puffs per charge. I haven't resent the puff counter to check lately (after about a year). I'll have to start that right now (and hope I remember to check when the battery is down). I can no longer compare because my B's got constant use while the PD's were set aside.

I don't think either IMR or NCR is likely to vent from what I've seen, but IMR gets a lot hotter during a hard short than one would want their pocket getting, the NCR's seem to let off a trickle discharge and maintain a reasonable heat level.
I only know from experience that CGR was not as safe as claimed and NCR-A is. I try not to do that too but stuff happens

Of course you can have your preferences. But I saw someone with an eVic talking about run time and figured they had the puff count numbers to back it up because it's the first place I go when checking run time.
I'm about due for another load of batteries and don't want to waste money on claims based on amp loads and mechs that I don't need.

 

[anumber1]

You can say the NCR18650B gets you XXX puffs in your eVic at XΩ/X.Xv (about what I was getting, I'd have to search to get exact numbers) vs the NCR18650PF getting XXX puffs with the same head and setting. It's an easy test to run.
I ask because other people's perceptions and the testing machines didn't live up to my experiences with the B and A vs PD. (Another machine test said A dropped voltage under load, contrary to what I've tasted in a mech.)

I don't use my eVic nearly as much as my SID. The eVic is far too fragile for me to use in everyday life and unfortunately, while the eVic's 11 watt output was fine with protanks and other clearos, it does not have enough output to run my preferred RBA so it won't be me running a puff test for you to defend the ncr18650b.

To answer your questions regarding the age of my batteries, both sets are less than 2 months old.

When I purchased my SID and eVic (both used) they both came with ncr18650b batteries installed. Those batteries were of unknown providence and age so I bought a couple more after using the ones that came with the mods for a couple of months. My new set of ncr18650b's are less than two months old. These mods were purchased shortly after I started vaping six months ago and both were about six month old at the time so I figure those original ncr18650b's are probably about a year old.

The year old ncr18650b's have lost quite a bit of capacity compared to the new ones.

I bought a Vamo v5 about a month ago to replace my aging SID along with 2 ncr18650pf batteries. The SID gets beat up (it is my at work device), so I didn't put the Vamo into immediate service and am still using the SID all day every day )until it dies completely). I did start to use the new batteries I purchased for the Vamo however. That is when I noticed I did not have to change batteries over the course of the day.

The age of the batteries in question is not a factor in this.

In my non-scientific testing environment of vaping constantly at work, usually 14 hrs a day, a new ncr18650b does not last as long as a new ncr18650pf. I have both types of batteries with me and use them pretty much indiscriminately when I change batteries in my SID. If I start the day with a ncr18650b, I am going to change it before I get home. If I start the day with an ncr18650pf, it will be dead when I get home. The difference is an hour or two.

If you want to prove empirically that you are getting every last mAh of the ncr18650b and that it does indeed last longer I would love to see your research.

All I have to go on is my daily use of both batteries in the same device under the same basic conditions. One lasts longer than the other. My experience. Yours may vary.

What we have here in reality are two opinions worth exactly what was paid for them.

Edit:
I will say I am eagerly awaiting news about the eVic Supreme! I hope Joytech fixed the fragile nature of the original and with it's advertised 30 watts, a new eVic, sturdy and powerful would be great. i do like the software and would love to be able to chart things like we are discussing.

I have already epoxied the top back onto my eVic and it has been retired to home use only as I fear it's next drop will be it's last.

 

[Myk]

I don't use my eVic nearly as much as my SID. The eVic is far too fragile for me to use in everyday life and unfortunately, while the eVic's 11 watt output was fine with protanks and other clearos, it does not have enough output to run my preferred RBA so it won't be me running a puff test for you to defend the ncr18650b.

To answer your questions regarding the age of my batteries, both sets are less than 2 months old.

When I purchased my SID and eVic (both used) they both came with ncr18650b batteries installed. Those batteries were of unknown providence and age so I bought a couple more after using the ones that came with the mods for a couple of months. My new set of ncr18650b's are less than two months old. These mods were purchased shortly after I started vaping six months ago and both were about six month old at the time so I figure those original ncr18650b's are probably about a year old.

The year old ncr18650b's have lost quite a bit of capacity compared to the new ones.

I bought a Vamo v5 about a month ago to replace my aging SID along with 2 ncr18650pf batteries. The SID gets beat up (it is my at work device), so I didn't put the Vamo into immediate service and am still using the SID all day every day )until it dies completely). I did start to use the new batteries I purchased for the Vamo however. That is when I noticed I did not have to change batteries over the course of the day.

The age of the batteries in question is not a factor in this.

In my non-scientific testing environment of vaping constantly at work, usually 14 hrs a day, a new ncr18650b does not last as long as a new ncr18650pf. I have both types of batteries with me and use them pretty much indiscriminately when I change batteries in my SID. If I start the day with a ncr18650b, I am going to change it before I get home. If I start the day with an ncr18650pf, it will be dead when I get home. The difference is an hour or two.

If you want to prove empirically that you are getting every last mAh of the ncr18650b and that it does indeed last longer I would love to see your research.

All I have to go on is my daily use of both batteries in the same device under the same basic conditions. One lasts longer than the other. My experience. Yours may vary.

What we have here in reality are two opinions worth exactly what was paid for them.

Edit:
I will say I am eagerly awaiting news about the eVic Supreme! I hope Joytech fixed the fragile nature of the original and with it's advertised 30 watts, a new eVic, sturdy and powerful would be great. i do like the software and would love to be able to chart things like we are discussing.

I have already epoxied the top back onto my eVic and it has been retired to home use only as I fear it's next drop will be it's last.

So an hour or two is probably 50 puffs or less (although if you're getting 18 hours-ish from both you may be chain vaping a lot more than I do).
If you are getting close to my 550 puffs (or equal mAh) and doing it in 18 hours it could be something I've considered, battery recharge and I have more time for the battery to rebound between puffs.

I've already proved I get more time out of the B&A than out of PD. That is after everyone was saying the same thing about it as you're saying about PF, which is why I'm skeptical without numbers.
That doesn't mean I'm getting every last mAh, just that the higher mAh does indeed last me longer.
My vaping has changed since then. RVW worked good with Protank (so it was difficult for me to figure out the mAh I was using) but doesn't seem to matter with gennies so now I vape at 3.6-4.0v.

I don't have a PF to try the comparison. I don't care about defending the B, I care about not wasting my money.

I saw the price of a Supreme. I won't be buying one unless I find a deal like I did with my eVics. I haven't had a problem with the sturdiness, I have a problem with Joyetech's pricing and it seems they are planning on continuing with their pricing plan.

Here is what I found with the batteries I had at the time,
"NCR18650PD about 420 puffs, 440 puff, 364, 402
NCR18650B about 540 puffs, 520 puffs, 470 (? I must've been taking long drags that time, the head was in need of a change), 472.
NCR18650A about 490 puffs

I've been averaging around 400 puffs with Samsung ICR18650-26F and 380 with CGR18650CH (moot point now, sold out at FT and discontinued from Panasonic).

This was in an eVic with a puff counter, 2.4OΩ and auto puff turned on. Sometimes I hold the button and bypass the auto puff.
All comparisons on the same RVW setting with the same tank and liquid.

Both PD and B batteries had an oddly long low end on the battery but the PD was noticeably faster at dropping down that far and staying down there.
The A stayed strong at the top dropping faster at the bottom."