Patient Infringment

[Vrscika]

I am new here, and to be totally honest, I am here to simply report what I believe maybe a patent infringment on e-cigs.

I discovered this product which is used by magicians to magically blow what looks like smoke from their mouth. It uses a gimmick which I believe is very much, if not identical to e-cigs, and how they work. The gimmick being sold looks like a pen.

Here is where I found the product. www.theory11.com

Here is a direct link to the product in question. SMOKE by Alan Rorrison - theory11.com.

The gimmick was created by Alan Rorrison.

I believe this is worth checking into as SMOKE has been selling very well. If it is infrigment on e-cigs patent, e-cig could loose their patent if this keeps up without stopping it.

I love e-cigs, and I fully support the e-cig market. Thanks!

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I saw no pin.....only flat disc that resemble playing cards....sorry.....besides proplene has been used for fog machines for years......are they going to sue also?
just saying......

 

[Valsacar]

Not really much information on that site, but I see nothing here to worry about. While there isn't a creation date on that site, the earliest comments date to 2010, Han Lik has been selling his for close to a decade now. And of course, the original patent for these was back in 1963: New Invention of 1963: The Smokeless Non-Tobacco Cigarette | The Electronic Cigarette & E-Cigarettes by Instead

 

[Vrscika]

The demo doesn't reveal the gimmicked pen. The gimmicked pen operates the same way a e-cig works, and even takes the same, or very, very similiar cartradges. I still think it's worth checking out. Patent laws state that if a company doesn't try to protect their patent from others using it, they cvould loose their patent. I think it's worth e-cig checking into.

I believe that fog machines do not infrindge on e-cigs patent. It's a totalling different product. (lol)

 

[UntamedRose]

See no reason why they cant both to exist, even if it is different applications of the same technology.

 

[DC2]

The demo doesn't reveal the gimmicked pen. The gimmicked pen operates the same way a e-cig works, and even takes the same, or very, very similiar cartradges. I still think it's worth checking out. Patent laws state that if a company doesn't try to protect their patent from others using it, they cvould loose their patent. I think it's worth e-cig checking into.

Don't worry, Ruyan is actively pursuing their patent rights in the courts as we speak...
Dragonite/Ruyan files patent infringement lawsuit in US court against three companies
Dragonite (formerly Ruyan) v US lawsuit
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cussion/149119-whats-all-patent-nonsense.html

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

fear monger.

 

[MickeyRat]

Notcigs is going for a patent on VV too. Personally, I don't think that one will stand up in court. The thing is it ticks me off and I was seriously considering a buzz.

 

[ditch.the.pack]

I would imagine the e-cig market is far larger than the magician market.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Notcigs is going for a patent on VV too. Personally, I don't think that one will stand up in court. The thing is it ticks me off and I was seriously considering a buzz.

MickeyRat ....why get caught up in all of that....the Buzz is a workhorse and I have several vv's. The notcig product is a quality built vv....and I have two of them, before all the patent stuff ever came out......A company's legal woes or whatnots doesn't determine if their product works or not......??

 

[zoiDman]

Patient Infringment?

Great. Sounds like just what we need. Another lawyer bringing another Lawsuit.

 

[hankbizzo5]

Infringement is determined by the language of the claims of the patent and, if what the defendant is making does not fall within the language of any of the claims of the patent, there is no literal infringement. Might fall under Doctrine of Equivalents. Thats if the patent is still even good? Need more research before you make a claim op.

 

[Chornbro]

Cant we all just get along?

I have enough batteries, attys, and juice to last me a long, long while... bring on the apocalypse

 

[MickeyRat]

MickeyRat ....why get caught up in all of that....the Buzz is a workhorse and I have several vv's. The notcig product is a quality built vv....and I have two of them, before all the patent stuff ever came out......A company's legal woes or whatnots doesn't determine if their product works or not......??

I don't want to give them money to put small operators out of business which they will just with a threat. I've actually read what they are trying to patent and IMO they didn't invent any of it. If they were going after the means they used to cram that stuff into their package, I would be a lot more sympathetic. As it is, I intend to avoid notcigs like the plague.

 

[John Phoenix]

Patents are designed to protect specific models with exact technologies not general ideas of concepts of that technology. All anyone would have to do it make a simple change in the product design and slight way in which that product works and there is no infringement. That's why we can have millions of different televisions or radios and none of them infringe on the patent of any other, even though the core concepts of the technology are the same.

The magic company would have to reproduce the original e-cig Exactly for there to be any problems.