Penn State video: half right, anyway

[rolygate]

Check section 6.1, ingredients:
Nicorette QuickMist 1mg/spray mouthspray - Summary of Product Characteristics (SPC) - electronic Medicines Compendium (eMC)

Thanks for the link. Yes, it uses PG as the carrier.

I tend to think that if PG is the excipient in nebulizers used by lung transplant patients, as was claimed by a hospital employee told this by a thoracic consultant and who posted it here, then it must be fairly benign in even the most fragile of patients.

However it wouldn't surprise me if there is a gradual change to glycerine for all these purposes as in some ways it seems more suitable. Dow Chemical make all grades of both, and this is also what they suggest.

 

[rolygate]

@Bill
I personally wouldn't care if a member posting here has received funding from a pharmaceutical company, or a tobacco company, or is an independent commentator, or is a diehard smoker, or a hardline anti-smoker, or a new e-cig user, or a long-term e-cig user, or an ex-smoker with strong views of one kind or another.

If we are honest, we all speak from some sort of position and/or have some kind of axe to grind. As long as the discussion is civil and interesting, the more the merrier. And with more viewpoints, we can cover more ground.

I don't believe in censorship and am bored by argument, on these kinds of topics, based on a narrow range of views.

 

[Vocalek]

I think one thing that's been neglected is any kind of in between area. The methodology of Eissenberg's original no nicotine study is pretty much laughable. If it proved any thing at all, it's that new users of any product aren't good at using it, and that using one thing (an ecig in this case) as if it were something else (a cigarette) doesn't produce good results. I've proved about as much by trying to use a screwdriver as a hammer.

But in jumping from total novice users on devices they haven't seen before to advanced users with advanced products, we miss the fact that an informed user with a bit of experience actually gets different results than the novice, even with the same product.

I, and many others, stopped smoking while using a very low end cig-lookalike ecigarette.

But I, like most who continue to vape, decided that to maximize enjoyment, I wanted something better. That's how we get onto mods- not because the others "don't work."

Best
Ande

Me, too. Stopped with NJOY NPRO (RN4081 model, I believe). Now, I have a (*ahem*) big eGo.

 

[Placebo Effect]

Same. I stopped with a 510 if I remember correctly. Although for accuracy's sakes I should note that I quit with two 510s, which I often used at the same time to make up for the lack of vapor (and probably nicotine) delivery.

 

[DC2]

Yup, I quit with a 510 too.

 

[rothenbj]

Me, too. Stopped with NJOY NPRO (RN4081 model, I believe). Now, I have a (*ahem*) big eGo.

I never would have guessed. I was a 510 man before I found god (snus) and my tank version-ed Screwdriver. That reminds me Ande, "by trying to use a screwdriver as a hammer. " won't work, but "by trying to use a screwdriver as a smoking alternative" might.

Greg, you may have been the first dual user of E cigs.

 

[northhar]

I quit with a 510.

I agree a lot with this;

Instead of investing money in proving things that are obvious, and providing evidence that will be completely ignored by paid liars, the money would be better invested in an FBI investigation of the private financial affairs of the people involved in promoting the propaganda.

Now that is a way to fix it that has some chance of success. Nothing else does.

Any other way and I am sure there are many will be long and costly.
Our society civilization thrives on bad news, all one has to do is supply it.

 

[Vocalek]

If you add you champagne to your screwdriver, you can get somewhat hammered.

 

[rolygate]

This thread has left the original topic and changed into a discussion of possible future clinical trials.

I have closed it, and moved relevant posts to a new thread here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/medical-research/243901-e-cigarette-clinical-trials.html