Perfume

[spegtoast]

Ok.. I have read this term in the forums so I will use it to describe what I am tasting on my first attempt to DIY. I mixed 80%VG 20%flavoring as recommended in the directions I got with the kit. The flavor I used was tobacco. All I taste is a ripe/ perfumey flavor.. Nothing like tobacco. I have not yet tried VG by itself, but suspect from research that it a muted sweet flavor. Not sure what to do next. Thanks

 

[dannyv45]

Ok.. I have read this term in the forums so I will use it to describe what I am tasting on my first attempt to DIY. I mixed 80%VG 20%flavoring as recommended in the directions I got with the kit. The flavor I used was tobacco. All I taste is a ripe/ perfumey flavor.. Nothing like tobacco. I have not yet tried VG by itself, but suspect from research that it a muted sweet flavor. Not sure what to do next. Thanks

This is very common with a lot of flavors and expecially tobacco. But you've made several mistakes.

1. Your mix is not ready as soon as you mix it. It needs to steep. This is expecially true with tobaccos. They need anywhere from 2 - 4 weeks to mature.

2. 20% sounds very high for tobacco. You should start with 5 - 8%.

3. A typical base is usually a combination of PG and VG such as 75% PG and 25% VG or 50/50. Very rarely will you see a tobacco mix thats 80% VG No PG and 20% flavor.

You really need to do some serious researching in the forums.

 

[DeeDee1234]

ditto, over flavoring rule #7 broken

read hooisers blog twice

 

[spegtoast]

Gotcha. Directions with the kit was pretty straight forward. But, I will follow your advise

 

[Aheadatime]

80% VG isn't a big deal if the flavor itself was based in PG. I'd say the over-flavoring or lack of steep or a combination of both is the issue here. Which tobacco flavor was it and from which vendor?

 

[spegtoast]

I have yet to read about steeping for 4 weeks before I can get close. Hoosier's blog states "add-write note-shake-taste method, stop when the flavor is "close" and walk away". So I believe I over-flavored. When I used the dropper tool to measure the VG it was difficult because of the viscosity, and had large bubbles in it giving me an inaccurate reading. It may be best to put some hashmarks on the bottle for a final reading reference. Also I might add that I am starting with a 1ml mix. I am not sure that is best because of less room for error? Maybe I should be starting with 3ml?

Flavor apprentice/ One Stop DYI Shop

 

[BlueMoods]

Start with 5ml, it's easier to get it right, and allows a bit of room for adjustment. Really 5 ml is not much if it can't be salvaged after steeping (have yet to have one that I couldn't at least get tolerable.) And 5ml is easy to calculate for larger batches when you find you all day vape.

 

[michaelsil1]

Here's a no brainer, mix at 2.8% wait a week.




Ry1 Flavoring by Hangsen

 

[Moogle]

You can always splash some on while you wait for the steep! My raspberry actually smells more like nail polish fresh. Takes a week to steep.

 

[crxess]

Burn instructions
Listen to experienced forum DIY'ers

20% is a Very generic MAX flavor assumption and Not for all flavors or Vapers
i.e. 1 Drop TFA Caramel Capuccino in 10ml mix is to much flavor for most Vapers and taste Burnt.
TFA Blueberry Extra - nice at 10%
FW Blueberry - light at 15%

TFA Coffee Clear - Acrid at any %
LA coffee - Thick Dark - Coagulates in a few days

Tobaccos - My starting point in vaping. - All have tasted much better after a few weeks of Steeping(sitting)
Several got Rancid after a few months.(Bought to much to vape timely)

 

[dannyv45]

Start with a 5ml test batch and start at 7% (try 7 drops). To quickly steep it take a thurmos cup fill it with hot tap water drop the mix bottle into it and let it cool. Take the bottle out and shake well. Repeat this 2 more times. This should give you a vapable mix. It's not like a true time steep but gets you close quickly. If the mix is to weak add a drop of flavor and repeat the process. As mentioned before a 1 ml test batch is much to small. Do 5ml test batches. Also get a few syringes in the following sizes.

1ml
3ml
10ml

It will making measuring much easier.

 

[yelibe]

Oooooh you gotta use less flavoring. I did the exact same thing my first time. It tasted like perfume. Now I put 1 ml flavor to 9 base. It's best that way.

 

[spegtoast]

Thanks guys. Next mix 5ml. Makes more sense.

 

[Hoosier]

Good idea. I seldom experiment with less than 5ml anymore. I find smaller amounts to be more troublesome than the benefit of less waste can overcome.

This might also be attributed to over sized hands and the recent need for reading glasses too...

 

[spegtoast]

Hi Hoosier, honored you posted here. Looks like I have a lot to learn. Your support to the vape world is appreciated.

 

[thejaker]

I'm a fan of using 10mL as a quick batch size to test liquids with. Very easy to work with in your head (think weight percentages), and you can easily find 15mL conical vials that are graduated and make nice mixing vessels. They are also graduated, so even measurements can be done w/o a pipette! (Just be sure you make sure the graduations are calibrated well so you can trust them, I learned this the hard way)

 

[Hoosier]

Hi Hoosier, honored you posted here. Looks like I have a lot to learn. Your support to the vape world is appreciated.

OT: How NW in NW Ohio are you? The Hoosier Vapers are holding a vape meet in Fort Wayne 8/10 and I'll be there. Be a good chance to bring your DIY experiments and get my honest opinion of your progress for nothing more than the cost of gas. Toledo is a bit of a drive, but Defiance and, more so, Paulding are fairly close. I have some stories about working on a project in Toledo too. A vendor has already told me that they are coming and plan on bringing me juice to taste, but I'd rather help out a new mixer that is getting started.

 

[Kabooma]

I will chime in just to point out the possibility that the OP has the same issue I do- Nearly all tobacco flavors at any percentage or time steeped taste like perfumy chemical toilets to me.. Only pure extracts seem to work so far in my case. I have zero tolerance to floral and perfume flavors in vapes (honeysuckle actually made me gag and almost puke)..

None of the chemical tobacco's I've tried tasted anything remotely like tobacco; so just food for thought.

 

[DeeDee1234]

Good idea. I seldom experiment with less than 5ml anymore. I find smaller amounts to be more troublesome than the benefit of less waste can overcome.

This might also be attributed to over sized hands and the recent need for reading glasses too...

I agree with Hoosier that the small amount are just too difficult and troublesome to fool with. If I am testing only for a flavor, I will use 5ml. Any recipes with more than one ingredient, I use 10 ml. 10 mls is easier to work with and seem to work out better for me. Percentages on 1-3 mls are just too tiny.

As for the reading glasses, My eye doctor said in a matter of fact tone. "Welcome to 40."
At 40, you need reading glasses.

 

[DeeDee1234]

I have yet to read about steeping for 4 weeks before I can get close. Hoosier's blog states "add-write note-shake-taste method, stop when the flavor is "close" and walk away". So I believe I over-flavored. When I used the dropper tool to measure the VG it was difficult because of the viscosity, and had large bubbles in it giving me an inaccurate reading. It may be best to put some hashmarks on the bottle for a final reading reference. Also I might add that I am starting with a 1ml mix. I am not sure that is best because of less room for error? Maybe I should be starting with 3ml?

Flavor apprentice/ One Stop DYI Shop

VG is thick and sticky. The best way that I have found to measure it is with a large syringe with no needle. Be careful if you are dispensing it into a bottle with a small opening to slowly push it out of the syringe. The thickness can block the smaller openings on some bottles.