PG causes DWI's???

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Ummmm In order to even get to the breathalizer you'd have to fail the field sobriety test.
As a condition of my employment as an FAA certified mechanic I am subject to not only random urinalysis, but also random breathalyzer tests.

Even though I don't drink it's still nice to know that vaping shouldn't trigger a false positive. It a small shop and my boss has a Zero Tolerance policy with regards to failing either test.
 

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FDA has PG in with the catagory of alcohols, but not all alcohols are created equal. In taht same catigory is glucose, frutose, sucrose, sorbitol. any chemical grp that ends with -OH is put in this catigory. When used in cosmetics the FDA term used its "alcohol-free".
PG is a Diol, it acts like alcohol. But is not exactly like alcohol.
PG is found in many many products you use every day. I dont think unless the machine was extreamly sensitive it would even pick it up or everyone would fail it.

Maybe he was drinking and wants to cover it up by saying it was the e-cig that did it.
 

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Ummmm In order to even get to the breathalizer you'd have to fail the field sobriety test.
Not really. All it takes is a rookie cop with a chip on his shoulder.

Had one give me a breathalyzer after I had already passed the field test, and the officer even stated as such before having me blow in the tube. Man was he ...... when he couldn't get his bust that night.
 

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I know, but that's not the point. You'd also have to smell of alcohol, or show signs of impairment to be administered any test at all. Cops don't just go around administering field tests and breathalyzers on completely sober people that show no signs of alcohol or drug use.

You obviously don't have very much experience with Law Enforcement. A cop can arrest you for "moping with intent to creep" if he wants to, and there is really nothign you can do about it, until your lawyer gets you in front of a judge. And by then, you've paid several hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars, had your reputation ruined, and maybe even gotten into trouble with your employer--all for nothing.

And cops that do this sort of thing usually do not get punished for their behavior. In fact, some departments actually encourage this sort of thing, because even if the case IS thrown out by a judge, you still have to pay court fees, so even if you win, you lose (but the system "wins"--your money...)

Most cops don't know anything about vaping. Some are going to assume that if you are using a device and blowing clouds of "smoke" and it doesn't look like a traditional cigarette or briar pipe, that you are doing something illegal, and THAT alone is "probable cause" to insert you into the criminal justice system.

The police are NOT your friend anymore. They are primarily there to collect revenue in the form of fines and fees, and to get as many people involved in the criminal justice system as possible, because there is HUGE money in the system. And also, most LEAs in major cities are nothing more than mercenaries for the Banksters that own and run their governments, and so they actually benefit from stripping you of your rights by criminalizing your everyday activites.

Wake up, bro. The game has changed DRAMATICALLY since the days of "Andy of Mayberry". The government has officially declared war on individual freedom, and the police are their foot soldiers...
 

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You obviously don't have very much experience with Law Enforcement. A cop can arrest you for "moping with intent to creep" if he wants to, and there is really nothign you can do about it, until your lawyer gets you in front of a judge. And by then, you've paid several hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars, had your reputation ruined, and maybe even gotten into trouble with your employer--all for nothing.

And cops that do this sort of thing usually do not get punished for their behavior. In fact, some departments actually encourage this sort of thing, because even if the case IS thrown out by a judge, you still have to pay court fees, so even if you win, you lose (but the system "wins"--your money...)

Most cops don't know anything about vaping. Some are going to assume that if you are using a device and blowing clouds of "smoke" and it doesn't look like a traditional cigarette or briar pipe, that you are doing something illegal, and THAT alone is "probable cause" to insert you into the criminal justice system.

The police are NOT your friend anymore. They are primarily there to collect revenue in the form of fines and fees, and to get as many people involved in the criminal justice system as possible, because there is HUGE money in the system. And also, most LEAs in major cities are nothing more than mercenaries for the Banksters that own and run their governments, and so they actually benefit from stripping you of your rights by criminalizing your everyday activites.

Wake up, bro. The game has changed DRAMATICALLY since the days of "Andy of Mayberry". The government has officially declared war on individual freedom, and the police are their foot soldiers...

I agree with most of what you say here, except that the practice is not encouraged. Often, that practice is heavily discouraged. And, as far as court costs, if your case is thrown out so are the fees, depending on the laws where you live. I have meet cops like that in both NC and VA, and they are the exception to the rule. Most are good people, and understanding as long as you follow directions and treat them with respect. Of course, you are still out of the fees paid to your attorney, and they can far exceede court costs and fines anyways. Have actually seen one officer fired, after personally giving me a very hard time for 2 weeks. (I was dating his ex gf at the time). The final straw came when he issued me a speeding ticket and careless/reckless in a school zone, at 3:10am. (I was not speeding, nor driving in any careless way, school was ofcourse not in session, but the sign didnt specify am/pm, and my attorney said he rather enjoyed that one)

All that said, i can also say that vaping does not cause a false positive on one of the pocket bac devices most officers use in the field. I have tested this fact with one of my cousins, who has to carry one to test employees at the factory he works at.
 
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I am a police officer. I did not read this entire thread. I just took a big drag off of my ea mod with a rba and a mesh wick holding 50/50 pg/vg. I have been using it all morning. I ex hailed and did a portable breathalyzer test. Drum roll......the results were 0.00. I think this myth is busted.:):beer::)

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Looks like there's no worries with a breathalyzer and PG. 1 coworkers theory several people who have a steering lock and one of our great state of Texas finest have dis proven it. Cops just don't go around doing DUI test willy nilly. Yes there will always be exceptions but youed be much more likely to be questioned about it being a illegal drug delivery system. Egos and cig alikes being the norm you see in public. Some of the mods we use are just not what people are use to seeing connected to your mouth.
If your questioned most cops will react from you. If you just answer their questions and not get all defensive and surely indigent and panicky. They will more than likely be more interested because its something new to them rather than trying to arrest you.
Yes there are jerk cops who will give you grief for pretty much anything but they are in the minority and most after seeing your not doing anything against the law will not bother you.
 

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Please PM me with the info. I'm looking to purchase another bridge soon.

If you buy a new bridge, can I buy your old bridge?

From what I know of breathalyzers, the newer and properly calibrated I hope most police are using have much less fasle positives than old models or ones that haven't been calibrated within the last 6 months. And no, that penny under your tounge won't fool it if you've been drinking. Mythbusters busted the penny trick, and I verified it lol (not to make light of drinking and driving, I no longer do either activity).

But old models can be notoriously bad at false positives. I once had access to one that hadn't been calibrated since, probably ever. This model could detect if you just ate a peanut butter sandwich, I kid you not. Was it the pb? The bread? Both? Didn't test enough to figure it out, but enough to prove it wasn't random. Blow, zeros. Eat sandwich and blow numers. Brush teath, blow zeros again.

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