PG intolerance but need high nic

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Kay1981

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Hey all, thanks for taking me in. I have a ? for you all. I have a PG intolerance some 70/30 are ok but 80/20, 90/10 are perfect. I have searched and searched and searched but the highest nic i can find with mx vg is 12mg. I am a heavy smoker and want to switch to pure vaping. Any clue as to has a higher nic on VG juices? I have bought the 24 nic vg juice and flavored concentrate and it tastes so bad so I do not want to add flavor just get it with flavor.
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I have bought the 24 nic vg juice and flavored concentrate and it tastes so bad so I do not want to add flavor just get it with flavor.
Any ideas?
Yes. I too cannot vape PG. I suggest the following which has worked for me:
I started out vaping 50/50 PG/VG e liquid. I developed a intolerance to PG, and today, I can't tolerate PG in any form. Suggest that you vape zero PG juices and/or unflavored VG along with VG based nicotine. I found that my PG intolerance cumulatively worsen the more I tried to accommodate small amounts of PG.
Might like to read:
Freebase vs. Salt Nicotine: What's the difference?
Juices with Salts Thoughts?
 

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Hey all, thanks for taking me in. I have a ? for you all. I have a PG intolerance some 70/30 are ok but 80/20, 90/10 are perfect. I have searched and searched and searched but the highest nic i can find with mx vg is 12mg. I am a heavy smoker and want to switch to pure vaping. Any clue as to has a higher nic on VG juices? I have bought the 24 nic vg juice and flavored concentrate and it tastes so bad so I do not want to add flavor just get it with flavor.
Any ideas?
Sounds like the DIY materials or advice you got was bad. Someone may know retail juice well enough to help you, but I’m not that guy. If you want to try DIY again though I or any number of others may be able to help. 12mg is high for some devices but low for others. What device is it?
 

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Sounds like the DIY materials or advice you got was bad. Someone may know retail juice well enough to help you, but I’m not that guy. If you want to try DIY again though I or any number of others may be able to help. 12mg is high for some devices but low for others. What device is it?
I have several. I have the pico, Tesla, coolfire, babymag. Tanks are the manta, the zenith tank that came with the coolfire mini, some kind of smok tank big holes but can’t produce vapor and when I do I die with the 24 nic. I also have two more that are a dotmod and Hercules
 

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I have several. I have the pico, Tesla, coolfire, babymag. Tanks are the manta, the zenith tank that came with the coolfire mini, some kind of smok tank big holes but can’t produce vapor and when I do I die with the 24 nic. I also have two more that are a dotmod and Hercules
You gag from the 24mg juice on all of them or just the SMOK tank?
 

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Yes, the ones it works it’s really harsh. Not sure what to do. Tried both juices from Heather’s heavenly Vapes and can’t handle it.

My advice would be to use one shot flavour concentrates and mix your own. It may be that the 24mg/ml base you had was the problem not necessarily the nic. However freebase nic is known to increase throat hit at higher levels.

If you find it is just the high nic then I would suggest salt nic.

So to conclude...

  • Buy some 100 VG base
  • Buy some 100mg/ml nic salt or freebase depending on preference....maybe both :) You can get these in VG or PG I would go for VG based.
  • Buy some one shots of your favourite juice.
  • Mix at 10% or whatever the concentrate suggests
  • Enjoy your vape :)
Most concentrates are suspended in PG so you would end up with roughly a 90/10 VG/PG once you mixed at 10-15%

Welcome by the way and hope this makes sense :)
 

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it sounds like you’re using too high nic in sub ohm tanks, but also too high vg in mtl tanks. If you need 24 mg, it’s probably better to thin the juice with distilled water and use them in the mtl tanks, really. Try 5% DW, and see how that goes.

High nic in a sub ohm is likely not going to taste so good and May over-nic you.
 

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Yes, the ones it works it’s really harsh. Not sure what to do. Tried both juices from Heather’s heavenly Vapes and can’t handle it.
If you can’t handle 24mg unprotonated nic you can’t. It’s a not particularly uncommon problem. There are two solutions I’ve heard of:
1) lower your nic. If you can’t handle 24mg nic there’s a decent chance you don’t need it in the first place. Maybe buy a bottle of zero nic with the same flavor and try titrations it down to a point where you can, and see if it’s enough nic for you to not need to smoke.
2) use nicotine benzoate instead. Nicotine benzoate is one of the “salts”. It’s supposed to produce equal effect with lower throat hit. It’s not nearly as well researched though. The only data I’ve seen is from a single company making its own claims. There are implications based on chart shapes released by that same company, that it may possibly also be more addictive than unprotonated nic, which means it may be has hard or maybe even harder to get off of than cigarettes. It may also still be a lot less likely to kill you than cigarettes (again, no research, though there are things implied by research on other things) so there’s that.

There are two schools atm. One is “go salts! They’re awesome!” The other is “try lower levels of traditional nic first. It’s better researched”.

I’m in the “other” group myself. I tried salts and didn’t find much if any improvement. There was less actual throat hit but I still coughed just as much as on a high nic. Plus they made my chest feel funny.
There are those here who are not though, and have switched entirely to protonated nic.

It’s a YMMV thing at this point, combined with a “how much risk are you comfortable with” thing.

Why I personally don’t like it:
JUUL, the only company that has any known research at all, claims “nic salt” by which they apparently mean nicotine benzoate, though that is also unclear as “salts” is a deliberately vague marketing term which could apply equally to a wide range of chemicals, claims that they are actually safer. They do it in a really unscientific and “marketingly” way though, which I personally do not trust.
 

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Yes. I too cannot vape PG. I suggest the following which has worked for me:
I started out vaping 50/50 PG/VG e liquid. I developed a intolerance to PG, and today, I can't tolerate PG in any form. Suggest that you vape zero PG juices and/or unflavored VG along with VG based nicotine. I found that my PG intolerance cumulatively worsen the more I tried to accommodate small amounts of PG.
Might like to read:
Freebase vs. Salt Nicotine: What's the difference?
Juices with Salts Thoughts?
I must save that comment, so informative
 
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