Pg~Vg or Mixed?

[Tazzman63]

Confused..
I've got a Joye Ego_T
I'm hearing different opinions on which e-liquid to use..
Some say a Mix of PG & VG..
But that if the VG is more or equal to the PG mix it's to Thick for the Atty to vape..
What is the right thing to to?
I'm using a 50_50 mix & I seem to be blowing out & Dry burning my Atty @ least every other day b/c it loses Vapor.
I just want to make sure I'm getting to most from my Ego & the Atty.
I really like this PV alot..

 

[dormouse]

The main problem with clogging attys is often the amount of flavoring sediment a juice drops. I stay away from juices that seem to drop a lot of flavoring sediment. I find similar replacements that don't. Each brand of flavoring has some flavors that have sediment. it's fine for food, not so great for vaping. Probably hard for you to tell with tanks. One member shakes then drips a couple of drops on hot aluminum foil. As the juice sizzles off, if it leaves bunch of "slag" behind then it has sediment and it is putting that same stuff on your attys. I use standard cartomizers (with thin juices) and i can see the sediment left behind in the stuffing. I like juices that leave nothing behind.

Re 50/50 in tanks? Try thinning with a few drops of distilled water.

Standard atomizer - any PG/VG as long as it flows at least as fast as you vape (and you can thin with a bit of distilled water)
Tank atty + tank - likes 30% VG or less, some thinner 50/50's may work fine
Simple stuffing cartomizers - I don't put more than 20% VG in these
Dual coil cartos - some say they can use 100% VG but I don't know which dual coils they mean (there are clear and stuffing ones)
Other reservoir cartos - pretty much the same thicknesses as tanks

 

[Dalton63841]

I don't know anything about the Ego-T(too many reports of muted flavor for me to want one). If the liquid is too thick, you may need to go to a 60% or 70%PG blend. I do agree that a blend is the best way. 100%PG has a tendency to dry out your throat, but PG is a better flavor carrier. VG gives you more vapor.

EDIT: Looks like dormouse has ya covered LOL.

 

[Tazzman63]

Thank ,
I thought the same thing w/ the 70 - 30 mix. I've heard that from others that have the Ego-T..
I've been looking for that type of mix & some companys really don't tell the ratio..
I'm in New Jersey & hope maybe any of you would know a reputable place around me or in the US that would have that mix?

 

[Phayah]

Personally, I do not like t-tanks at all. Just a thought, but you might try cartomizers instead. They are cheap enough to throw away when the performance drops off and IMO they simply taste/hit better. I've found that most atomizers really only optimally perform for a few days to a week before the taste changes or the hit/vapor drops off. Atomizers are never the same for me again, even after attempting multiple methods of cleaning. Compared to cartomizers, atomizers are just not efficient or worth my time/extra money.

Most people seem to prefer a 70/30 or 80/20 (PG/VG) ratio but I prefer 100% PG. Over time the mouth/throat dryness went away, it's cleaner, and has a better flavor/throat hit. It will produce less vapor though. I've never had unusual problems with the ratio of PG/VG or thickness causing issues in my atomizers or cartomizers. I have a couple of friends who vape 100% VG and they don't seem to have any problems either.

Also, you might consider checking into any particular flavoring that might have oils/additives/etc that could cause problems. I don't know much about that but a good google should help you there.

 

[MiXoLoGiSt]

I would say run a 70PG/30VG mix

 

[Dark Jester]

Thank ,
I thought the same thing w/ the 70 - 30 mix. I've heard that from others that have the Ego-T..
I've been looking for that type of mix & some companys really don't tell the ratio..
I'm in New Jersey & hope maybe any of you would know a reputable place around me or in the US that would have that mix?

Check out: VaporSearchUSA. It's a list of local shops by state, and most of them do online sales too. Might be one or more near you. Most reputable online vendors list the PG/VG ratios of their juice, and some even let you choose the mix. I'd just shop shop around.

That said I haven't noticed a huge difference between the 100% PG juices and 100% VG juices in my KR808 cartomizers. Takes longer to fill with a pure VG juice due to slower absorption into the stuffing, but they both vape fine in my 2 days' experience.

 

[Tazzman63]

Personally, I do not like t-tanks at all. Just a thought, but you might try cartomizers instead. They are cheap enough to throw away when the performance drops off and IMO they simply taste/hit better. I've found that most atomizers really only optimally perform for a few days to a week before the taste changes or the hit/vapor drops off. Atomizers are never the same for me again, even after attempting multiple methods of cleaning. Compared to cartomizers, atomizers are just not efficient or worth my time/extra money.

Most people seem to prefer a 70/30 or 80/20 (PG/VG) ratio but I prefer 100% PG. Over time the mouth/throat dryness went away, it's cleaner, and has a better flavor/throat hit. It will produce less vapor though. I've never had unusual problems with the ratio of PG/VG or thickness causing issues in my atomizers or cartomizers. I have a couple of friends who vape 100% VG and they don't seem to have any problems either.

Also, you might consider checking into any particular flavoring that might have oils/additives/etc that could cause problems. I don't know much about that but a good google should help you there.

What would you recommend for a good cartomizer PV system?

 

[dormouse]

Same system. Ego, Ego-T or popular clone Riva 510 (from Liberty-Flights.com only since their kits are all the current 3.7v model). You can use anything on Ego-T that you use on Ego. Any 510 manual system is great for cartos. Even slim manual 510 but then you can only use standard resistance cartos.

Boge cartomizers are the most popular cartomizers and probably the easiest and most consistent. And there are a lot more exotic cartos. But I won't use more than 20% VG in Boges. I use a normal non-tank atomizer and drip tip to vape 50/50. I recommend you learn to use Boges with a thin juice. Then you could try the dual coil cartos or reservoir cartomizers with the thinned 50/50.

 

[eg-guy]

bump for more info on this, i ordered the ego tank yesterday.

 

[Temporal Fugitive]

You don't have to use PG at all with tanks. Just be sure to add water and/or everclear to your juices. I DIY and my juices are VG based. I add 10% water and 5% everclear to my anhydrous glycerin based mixes, and 5% water and 2.5% everclear to my aqueous glycerin based mixes. No wicking problems here. Not with tanks, nor with cartos of any kind.

 

[Phayah]

Same system. Ego, Ego-T or popular clone Riva 510 (from Liberty-Flights.com only since their kits are all the current 3.7v model). You can use anything on Ego-T that you use on Ego. Any 510 manual system is great for cartos. Even slim manual 510 but then you can only use standard resistance cartos.

Boge cartomizers are the most popular cartomizers and probably the easiest and most consistent. And there are a lot more exotic cartos. But I won't use more than 20% VG in Boges. I use a normal non-tank atomizer and drip tip to vape 50/50. I recommend you learn to use Boges with a thin juice. Then you could try the dual coil cartos or reservoir cartomizers with the thinned 50/50.

I agree. The only thing I don't know much about is the difference of PG/VG ratios with the Boge cartomizers. Like I said earlier, I have friends who use the same cartomizers and don't have a problem with 100% VG but who knows?

A lot of people do prefer a drip tip and atomizer but I think just as many like cartomizers. You can also use a drip tip with cartomizers and either pull it off to refill or (when you get pro) just drip into it. It's not necessary though. It's all up to you to find what you like.

I don't like dripping because it can get messy if you overdo it and you have to drip a lot if you're a heavy vaper. It's a great taste and throat hit but atomizers are just too damn iffy, especially for someone like me who can taste everything. It's not a consistent experience either. I hate the taste when it starts to get dry and if you drip before you notice the drop off you run the risk of flooding it. Plus, I'm lazy and I don't want to clean atomizers. You might like it though. It's always handy to have a regular atomizer around so there is no harm in trying them both.

I buy the cartomizers so I can throw them away when they aren't up to par. I can also simply grab a new one for a new flavor. If you use the same atomizer for a new flavor it will still have the previous flavor on it, even if you blow it out. They pretty much have to be cleaned or dry burned to get rid of previous flavors. The taste/hit is very close to dripping and it's more consistent. Dryness, refills, and flooding occur less often.

I've heard of people cleaning out cartomizers to save money but I like them for convenience. Cleaning doesn't sound appealing to me at all. =D

Another thing, it's hard to say which is more cost effective. A regular atomizer will cost about the same as 5 cartomizers. The amount of use people get out of them varies greatly.

I started out with regular atomizers with filler, quickly switched to the drip method which I did for a long time, and then went with cartomizers. I tried the t-tanks after and immediately disliked them. That seems to be the typical process for most although from what I've seen people usually go back to dripping or using cartomizers. Some do enjoy a t-tank though.

PS - I personally prefer low resist cartos/atties/t-tanks with a 3.7v device.

 

[kinabaloo]

Doormouse is quite right to mention what I call dry residue content of liquids. To get a good idea, put some on a teaspoon so it's say half full and heat slowly until the spoon is dry; see what dry residue remains, if any. This residue will impact the performance and cause a shorter usable life. If will also 'burn' (decompose/carbonise) and affect taste; potentially emitting some toxins.

Tests done a couple years back showed that VG (@~80% if memory serves) by itself can create a carbonised deposit whereas with PG it is minimal (and perhaps just dust from the air). This makes sense as VG will partially decompose when heated to near it's boiling point (vaporising temperature). So I recommend more PG than VG; if can't use PG, add a little (distilled) water (say 10-15%). VG might not produce acrolein in detectable levels (in normal use, but may do so when 'burning' occurs) possibly because it mostly immediately reacts to something else; but that a carbonised deposit forms with just VG but not with PG is fact and be tested (start with new devices and no additional flavors). The health risk is likely neglible compared to smoking but it is a fact to bear in mind. Burning of fillers is also to be avoided of course (this might also be more commonplace with VG based liquids because of their higher viscosity and hence lower wicking rate).

I've no test results for PEG.

 

[kinabaloo]

ps: with 901s I would see distinctly more vapor with VG included. With an 808 (higher power and cartomiser based) I see little difference between a PG base and a 50/50 mix. Though this might be that I'm using up the PG at a faster rate (because it wicks faster).