PG vs. VG

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vapomike

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Well I got my girlfriend a 510. Though her transition isn't going as smoothly as mine did. She hasn't been able to adjust to the e-cig over the last few days due to hacking/coughing. She was vaping 18mg pg based vanilla and couldn't take even one puff without hacking. So I cut it 50/50 glycerine/pg nic juice. She was able to take short quick mouth puffs with it, though after 2 full puffs she would start hacking. Tonight I got some homemade raspberry glycerine no nicotine juice from a friend, put it in her cig and she had no issues with the coughing. I fear without the nicotine she won't be able to break away from the analogs completely. Any advice on juice with nicotine that she could handle?
 

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I wasn't able to inhale a cigarette for at least the last year because it'd done me such harm and would throw me into a coughing attack that wasn't worth inhaling for. But the first drag I had on my new 901 was unbelievably as smooth as silk, and I just couldn't believe it! I couldn't feel any throat hit whatsoever and was grateful for that. I think I was vaping a 11mg or 18 mg mic vanilla flavor. So I don't understand why vaping is causing your girlfriend to cough.

I've tried a lot of juices but the Mint is the only one that seems to give me a strong throat hit and can come close to making me cough. But I think it's the Mint as much as the Nicotine that's responsible. I get the idea on this Forum that generally people here feel that the more the nicotine the greater the throat hit, but I'm just not sure.

She may not need a boatload of nicotine. Maybe if she tried about 11mg nicotine in the very mild vanilla it'd help. Also, I have both the 510 and 901 and the 510 seems to give a strong throat hit, the 901 almost none, and I don't know why that would be either. She might do better with the 901.

Don't give up. I feel strongly that although a lot of people do well from the get-go on these PV's, some just have to work a little harder to find the right combination of PV, juice, and nicotine. If she's got any desire whatsoever to get off the cigarettes, that's a big head start. Good luck to both of you, you're doing a good deed! :)
 

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It could well be that the coughing is from added alcohol to the juice. In your experiment with the no nic juice, it sounds like it was also no alcohol. Alcohol is commonly added to commercial flavored juices.

I actually find that alcohol can add as much of a throat hit as nic, if not more. VT Vapor's 35 mg unflavored has no alcohol, and only VG as the vehicle. They have a 15% discount until the end of the month. About $15 for 30 mL of 35 mg VG is a good deal.

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Some Vermont Vapor flavors have PG in the flavoring so be careful. The ones without it are the tobacco flavors including maple and vanilla, mint, chocolate, chocolate mint, and coffee. The other good and tasty sounding flavors have PG in the flavorings. For many of us, even a little bit of PG is too much.

When you see natural flavoring or natural and artificial flavoring listed on a VG based juice, you need to write to the company and ask them if there is a bit of PG in the flavoring. Almost all have it.

I would love to find some type of flavoring that had the fruit flavors and vanilla without any PG in the flavoring. And, yes, I am really that sensitive (and so are many others).

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Some Vermont Vapor flavors have PG in the flavoring so be careful. The ones without it are the tobacco flavors including maple and vanilla, mint, chocolate, chocolate mint, and coffee. The other good and tasty sounding flavors have PG in the flavorings. For many of us, even a little bit of PG is too much.

When you see natural flavoring or natural and artificial flavoring listed on a VG based juice, you need to write to the company and ask them if there is a bit of PG in the flavoring. Almost all have it.

I would love to find some type of flavoring that had the fruit flavors and vanilla without any PG in the flavoring. And, yes, I am really that sensitive (and so are many others).

Bitey, out of curiousity, how did you find out about those certain flavors at Vermont Vapor being completely PG free? I have been curious about them for the past few days. Dawn at DIYflavorshack told me the same about most flavorings having PG. I had an extreme allergic reaction the very first day I got my e-cig and have been unable to use it. My VG ones from DIY are coming today. Have you been able to do fine on VG? Or did you still have a lot of discomfort until your body got used to it? Feel free to pm me :)
 

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Bitey, out of curiousity, how did you find out about those certain flavors at Vermont Vapor being completely PG free? I have been curious about them for the past few days. Dawn at DIYflavorshack told me the same about most flavorings having PG. I had an extreme allergic reaction the very first day I got my e-cig and have been unable to use it. My VG ones from DIY are coming today. Have you been able to do fine on VG? Or did you still have a lot of discomfort until your body got used to it? Feel free to pm me :)

When I started vaping in March, I, too, tried regular PG juice. I had terrible symptoms including extreme pain that did not go away. After reading the forum, I switched to VG based juice. Although this helped some with the problem, I was still in too much pain to continue vaping. Curious, I wrote to the venders from whom I had obtained the VG based juice, and they said that the flavoring they used contained just a little bit of PG.

At the same time, a member here who was very helpful and well known started talking about her own super sensitivity to PG. The comment that caught my attention was that "even Lorann's flavoring" was too much for her to vape. Many places, including DIY use Lorann's. OH! I had a moment of understanding. Lorann's is too much for me too (I tried it to be sure).

Now, Before I buy a VG based juice, I write to the supplier and ask about whether the flavoring they use contains small amounts of PG. I note that "natural and artifical flavorings" often includes PG, even though it isn't listed. Now, I explain my situation and ask about the flavoring, including whether some of their flavors contain PG while others do not (and if so, which flavors have absolutely No PG). If they don't answer, I wait a few days to a week and try asking one more time, explaining that this is a medical reason for me. If I get no response, I assume the answer is Yes to PG. The vast majority of suppliers do attempt to answer, some even going so far as to insist that the maker of the flavoring they use tell them all of the ingredients (including "trace amounts of PG").

My biggest problem is that I don't really care for the tobacco flavors and want the sweeter or fruity flavors. Yeah, you guessed it - the ones I like are all made with PG. I am still looking for a source of flavoring without PG on the Web so I can get unflavored and flavor VG base nic juice myself. I have written to many flavoring companies but have not had luck.

If anyone knows of flavoring that contains No PG and no oil or sugar (oil and/or sugars kill attys very quickly), Please let me know.

I have learned the answers to which juices have absolutely No PG through writing and researching and lots of hard work. BTW, we have a VG Only social group that was recently started here, and I would like to invite anyone in this situation to please come and join us.

Giveemshell, I will PM you the name of the supplier I am using for juice right now. I hesitate to post it here for fear that I sound like I am endorsing one of the suppliers over the others, particularly since a couple of the others are trying really hard to come up with totally No PG flavorings that also taste good and have no other huge drawbacks (like overpoweringly strong cheap perfume odor).

If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me. I don't check threads daily, but I do check my PM's. I would have probably missed this question had you not also sent me a friend request. Thanks, and sure. Good luck.
 
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