PG vs VG

[invisiblehand13]

Im not going to argue with you about this.

The anecdotal evidence reported on this forum by thousands of experienced vapers speaks for itself.

Clearomizers are nowhere near the optimum juice delivery device for high VG juices either.

You are a pompous one my friend, I never said that a clearo was an "optimum delivery device" for this juice and I was not attempting an argument, simply stating that everyone is different and although the masses may have a consensus on the matter does not imply that mean it is the same for me, no matter how small or unsubstantial that amount may be to you. Your opinion is well heard at this point (obviously) and I look forward to hearing from you in other posts.

 

[beauwulf]

Just to complicate things, I find my preference changes over the course of the day. First thing in the morning I find the 50/50 mix I had been chain vaping the night before is too harsh and I have to turn the wattage way down or switch to high VG or max VG in a dripper. Wondered for a while if it was the PG or the nicotine that was giving me the scratchy throat, but found I can drip 12mg max VG no problem.
Once I've have my morning coffee though, I can ease back on to the PG and it's all good.

 

[spaztick]

Good info here! I've found that 50/50 seems to work best for me

 

[TheBikeGuy]

I'll admit even though I've been doing it a long time, 100% PG can be rough at times, mainly in the morning before coffee. It sometimes hits my lungs like another substance I used to smoke in High School.

 

[fogging_katrider]

A lot of B&M's and major e-liquid manufacturers mix their juices at right around 60/40 pg/vg because most cleros have wicking issues anywhere thicker than that. 50/50 works in some cleros but not at all in others. For that reason my local b&m tries to stay in the 70/30 to 65/35 range for most of their juices unless the customer specifically requests higher VG.

I personally mix at 65/35 to 60/40 pg/vg for most of my friends who are still running kangers and other cleros and tanks, and that is what I usually run in my russian91. It just works well wicking and flavor vapor wise.

I do prefer a higher VG in drippers though, preferrably going no thinner than 50/50 but usually closer to 20/80 accounting for pg flavor and 50/50 nic base. (I pre-cut my 100mg VG nic base to 50/50 pg/vg 50mg before mixing as it makes it much easier to measure and dispense and mix.)

Invisiblehand13,
I dont think you're doing yourself any favors argueing and calling people names for conveying what thousands of vapers know as factual. PG adds more throat hit, carries flavors better and helps for faster wicking. VG adds more vapor and has a denser thicker mouth feel. There is really very little subjective about those facts

hth,
Jon

 

[zapped]

You are a pompous one my friend, I never said that a clearo was an "optimum delivery device" for this juice and I was not attempting an argument, simply stating that everyone is different and although the masses may have a consensus on the matter does not imply that mean it is the same for me, no matter how small or unsubstantial that amount may be to you. Your opinion is well heard at this point (obviously) and I look forward to hearing from you in other posts.

Pompous? No

Self-assured and experienced enough as a vaper to call out b.s when I see it? Yes.

For those who prefer high VG juices, I recommend a carto tank which incidentally is more worthy of the appellation "tank" than either clearomizers or rbas. The latter two are only vaguely tank like in that they have a clear reservoir for juice.Yet people use the word tank to describe them all the time, leading to tons of confusion.

Carto tanks also predate the newer generations of clearomizers (the old ones leaked like sieves and were to be avoided at all cost) and rbas by a good bit

They are the original tank and were created right here on these very forums by talented modders using plastic syringes and rubber grommets or cork.

Just a bit of trivia for you from an old timer.

 

[invisiblehand13]

Pompous? No

Self-assured and experienced enough as a vaper to call out b.s when I see it? Yes.

For those who prefer high VG juices, I recommend a carto tank which incidentally is more worthy of the appellation "tank" than either clearomizers or rbas. The latter two are only vaguely tank like in that they have a clear reservoir for juice.Yet people use the word tank to describe them all the time, leading to tons of confusion.

Carto tanks also predate the newer generations of clearomizers (the old ones leaked like sieves and were to be avoided at all cost) and rbas by a good bit

They are the original tank and were created right here on these very forums by talented modders using plastic syringes and rubber grommets or cork.

Just a bit of trivia for you from an old timer.

See, now real knowledge is something I appreciate, that I can and will respect and there was no b.s. in my response simply an original input but that was the point. I was simply pointing out that everyone is different. I was not saying heavy VG is the best flavor to everyone and that is also why I specifically stated I know what the "numbers" and "masses" stacked against me are when I stated it. I know the difference in the boiling points between the two and I understand what each one does individually but I still stand behind what my opinion was and always will be. There are no "facts" when it comes down to personal preference and maybe I just like the taste of VG over PG (never tried it by itself, never felt the need lol) and I really just do not like the taste or the "flavor" of PG (do not know if there is one to it, once again never had the impulse to try it on its own) I just wanted to point out that you should always ask questions to find out what it is that you like. My shop has done it this way with heavy VG since we first opened and we keep PG just in case someone prefers a different mix but hardly anyone ever does, I am not sure if that is because they simply prefer it our way or they just are not knowledgeable enough to know to ask. From what new customers say about our juice compared to the others in town is that ours is simply better and longer lasting which I know most of our other shops mix around 60/40 blends. This could also be attributed to superior flavor extract sourcing on our part or due to other factors but once again this is just my experience. I have noticed occasionally a customer will complain about these not working on a clearo but that is when I just upsell a Kanger or Aspire product boasting them as better "tank" systems. So if that makes my end a little clearer, glad to clear it up but if not...alas I could still use a higher comment count so lets do it again lol

Regards,

Mr. "Newbie" at your service

 

[AndriaD]

See, now real knowledge is something I appreciate, that I can and will respect and there was no b.s. in my response simply an original input but that was the point. I was simply pointing out that everyone is different. I was not saying heavy VG is the best flavor to everyone and that is also why I specifically stated I know what the "numbers" and "masses" stacked against me are when I stated it. I know the difference in the boiling points between the two and I understand what each one does individually but I still stand behind what my opinion was and always will be. There are no "facts" when it comes down to personal preference and maybe I just like the taste of VG over PG (never tried it by itself, never felt the need lol) and I really just do not like the taste or the "flavor" of PG (do not know if there is one to it, once again never had the impulse to try it on its own) I just wanted to point out that you should always ask questions to find out what it is that you like. My shop has done it this way with heavy VG since we first opened and we keep PG just in case someone prefers a different mix but hardly anyone ever does, I am not sure if that is because they simply prefer it our way or they just are not knowledgeable enough to know to ask. From what new customers say about our juice compared to the others in town is that ours is simply better and longer lasting which I know most of our other shops mix around 60/40 blends. This could also be attributed to superior flavor extract sourcing on our part or due to other factors but once again this is just my experience. I have noticed occasionally a customer will complain about these not working on a clearo but that is when I just upsell a Kanger or Aspire product boasting them as better "tank" systems. So if that makes my end a little clearer, glad to clear it up but if not...alas I could still use a higher comment count so lets do it again lol

Regards,

Mr. "Newbie" at your service

It's great that your shop has the option of PG instead of just insisting on high VG for everyone. I've vaped high-VG and I don't mind the taste, although I do prefer more throat hit than VG offers, but the biggest problem for me is that I just can't breathe, with anything over 20% VG. The shop nearest me doesn't do any of their own mixing, just sells major lines of ejuice, and I've had to completely abandon them because they're all at least 50/50. I started buying online from Sweet-Vapes.com *because* they offer the ability to customize your PG/VG ratio, but I'm getting more and more into just DIYing all my own ejuice, because I vape at 10mg, which means that if buy pre-made, I have to buy both 6mg and 12mg and mix it myself anyway, so I might as well just mix my own from the get-go.

But the thing that really irks me about most of the big-name pre-made juice is that there is no option -- you get THEIR choice of PG/VG and if that doesn't suit you, tough; they clearly don't want any customers except those with tastes and lungs just like their own.

Andria

 

[dice57]

Pompous? No

For those who prefer high VG juices, I recommend a carto tank which incidentally is more worthy of the appellation "tank" than either clearomizers or rbas. The latter two are only vaguely tank like in that they have a clear reservoir for juice.Yet people use the word tank to describe them all the time, leading to tons of confusion. .

recommend a carto tank over an rba tank system??? And more worthy tank like?? really?? most my rba tank systems hold at least 5 ml of juice, several 10 ml, and one at 15 ml, if that ain't tank like, I don't know what the frak a tank is???? Personal feel, that best vape possible is found down the rba path. No matter ones vg%.

An would really love to see a carto that could out perform any of tanks in the collection, Carto's always seemed so old tech, and cig-a-like level, seeming a bit fiddly diddly to me.



Vape long and Prosper.!!!!

 

[stevegmu]

For ease of use, reliability and taste, I haven't found anything better than a carto tank...

 

[abpigdoc]

2nd Dice. Going to spend all day doing this, might as well make it easy!