Pharmacy frustration

[Skad]

Ok, so back in my cigar smoking days, I used to get PG from a local pharmacy to use in my humidor. Sadly, that pharmacy got washed away in Katrina.

So I go out looking for PG now that I'm vaping. I ask 3 separate pharmacists for PG. All 3 point me to Mirilax. Mirilax is polyethylene glycol.
Now just so we're clear, I was not talking to some clerk, I was talking to the pharmacist. All 3 were major chains.

Got my PG in yesterday from juicyliquid.com.

 

[MyB]

MiraLAX - A Different Laxative for Relieving Constipation

 

[PTJD]

Mirilax is a stool softener and it looks like its main ingredient is PG in powdered form, I would not vape with it.
I went to CVS Pharmacy and they ordered liquid USP PG for me, about $15/pint.

 

[MyB]

its not pg, its peg 3350

pg-propylene glycol

peg-Polyethylene Glycol

 

[Skad]

Mirilax is a stool softener and it looks like its main ingredient is PG in powdered form, I would not vape with it.
I went to CVS Pharmacy and they ordered liquid USP PG for me, about $15/pint.

Yeah, CVS was one of the stores I tried.
No way would I ever consider vaping with it. I'm just stunned that the pharmacists kept insisting that that's what I wanted.

 

[taz3cat]

I check all my RX's now they make mistakes too.

 

[lewnworx]

Be very careful with this stuff. Read the ingredients yourself. One of the places I went to and asked for propylene glycol almost handed me poly propylene glycol (not even remotely close to the same thing, and one that produces VERY bad stuff to breath when subjected to heat).

I ended up getting my PG from Tractor supply (USP 100% propylene glycol, so with the combination of USP AND a 100% as opposed to 99.5% like many of the others, I figured this to be pretty clean).

For my VG, I got the Wilton's stuff like many others here have at Hobby Lobby, and I understand that your local Michael's stocks it as well.

 

[ForHim]

I just got a pint of pg last Friday. I got it at a grocery store pharmacy called Giant Eagle. I talked to the pharmacist on Thursday and she ordered it for me. It came in Friday and cost $12. I tried first at a Rite-Aid pharmacy but they wouldn't order it for me. Mine is made by Paddock Laboratories. hth

 

[esmok-e]

Yeah, CVS was one of the stores I tried.
No way would I ever consider vaping with it. I'm just stunned that the pharmacists kept insisting that that's what I wanted.

He didn't see your avatar, did he? That might explain it.

 

[the88thcrazy]

I just got a pint of pg last Friday. I got it at a grocery store pharmacy called Giant Eagle. I talked to the pharmacist on Thursday and she ordered it for me. It came in Friday and cost $12. I tried first at a Rite-Aid pharmacy but they wouldn't order it for me. Mine is made by Paddock Laboratories. hth

Pretty much the same thing happened to me with rite aid. all of the grocery store pharmacies tried to give me the polyethylene glycol, or refused to sell PG over the counter.

Walgreen's would sell me some, and they wanted 11 dollars for a pint.

But, the cheapest place in the midwest to buy PG is at TSC (that's tractor supply co.) it's used to treat ketosis in cattle. they only wanted 21 dollars for a whole gallon of it (which will probably last me two years >.>)

 

[Momof3]

Check the labels carefully from TSC. All the ones I tried only carried Feed Grade. I gave up and went the pharmacy route. $11.75/16 ounces. The Walgreen's pharmacist was nasty to me when I asked about it. The Target pharmacist was nice. He couldn't order it, but sent me to a pharmacy that could. He said to stay with compound pharmacies (pharmacies that actually mix liquid drugs on the premises) and avoid the big chain stores.

The first pharmacist at the compound pharmacy tried to tell me I wanted polyethylene glycol and he didn't know what propylene glycol was. I had him write it down. The owner was leery at first, but another pharmacist assured her it was fairly harmless and my wanting it for a base for vaporizer fluid was perfectly reasonable. So she ordered it for me. Came the next day.

 

[Safira]

Hi, this is my 1st post but I thought maybe I might be of some use. PG is also a humectant used in things like lotions. You can search the internet for lotion suppliers and most will have it. You do want to make sure it is USP and maybe even ask for the MSDS sheet.

If that is not the right quality for vaping, then someone please correct me and we can all just ignore my 1st post.

 

[jamie]

Mine is made by Paddock Laboratories. hth

That's the same one I received from a Walgreens pharmacy.

 

[jcoppers]

What exactly is wrong with the feed grade from TSG? I mean seriously, this stuff is replacing cigarettes. Unless the feed grade has cow parts floating in it (kidding) how bad can it be? Also you can get kosher PG in a 1 gallon container from the following:
Nature's Flavors : PROPYLENE GLYCOL (CAS Number: 57-55-6) Kosher
I would like to know what is wrong with the feed stuff. And since I can edit posts now (yay) do we REALLY think that China is using pharmaceutical grade PG in their fluids? Cmon folks, these are the same folks who brought us melamine laced baby/dog foods and lotso-lead toys for the kiddies. REALLY hoping for some responses here.

John

 

[Flitzanu]

jcoppers, you make a good point, and without speaking for the rest of the world...

"feed grade" is suitable for livestock. cows also eat their own vomit, so i'm not sure they really care so much about purity of propylene glycol.

"usp grade" is pharma grade that is (said to be) rated for human consumption and higher purity of product.

i think it's a bit of a dig on china to assume that every single product they make is sub-par and dangerous. you ever checked like, i dunno, every single item you own? everything is made in china. we tarnish it just because they had some incidents in the past, but so has the US right? did we refuse to buy american because of it?

anyway...sorry for the pseudo-rant.

point being, feed grade and USP grade seems to be pretty readily available, and for the same prices, so it seems that China would easily be able to get USP quality PG as easily as we can.

if you'd like to try the feed grade, i'm sure no one would recommend it, but we can't stop you either.

for peace of mind, i'd say most of us will stick with the USP grade, regardless of the valid argument.

 

[jcoppers]

point taken, I was not intending to "bash" China, but their record is less than stellar. Now as far as cost, feed grade PG is 20.00 a gallon, I paid 10.00 for 6 ounces at my local pharmacy. Where are you getting pharma grade for that 20 bucks a gallon? Not trying to be argumentative, looking for a supplier.

Thanks.

John

 

[Safira]

jcoppers, I know of a place on line called Lotioncrafter. They sell PG, look under humectants. The price is 12.00 for 2 lbs. You have to pay shipping on those 16 lbs so I'm not sure if it's what your looking for or not, but I thought I would throw that info out there. They also have veg. glycerine (USP kosher) so maybe if you throw all that in the cart shipping is worth the price.

This is normally used for bath & body stuff, so I'm only assuming by the USP, and what I've read, this would still be safe.

 

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[jcoppers]

Not questioning their fabulous service, but at 2.00 for 30 ml that comes to about $150.00 per gallon. I don't need a gallon but the idea was the best price and the idea that the food grade and veterinary grade could be had for very close to the same price.

 

[Skad]

Not questioning their fabulous service, but at 2.00 for 30 ml that comes to about $150.00 per gallon. I don't need a gallon but the idea was the best price and the idea that the food grade and veterinary grade could be had for very close to the same price.

Keep in mind that there are 3785.4 ml in a gallon. Even if you're cutting your juice with 75% PG, then you're talking about 946ml of eliquid to use a gallon of PG. If you use 2ml a day of juice, that's 6.5 years of supply.
The 30ml size manageable and easier to work with then a gallon jug, and you're only probably really only going to go through about 30ml a month or less. Yeah, it's more expensive to buy it in small quantities, but unless you're selling your liquid on the side, it doesn't really make sense to buy it bulk either.