Phiniac Pyrex Tanks… Unique, Rugged & Beautiful!

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It ate my post... I am a little slow (sick).

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I don't know what your "background" is so I don't know the easiest way to explain it, but to make the designs the glass is either etched or it isn't. From a computer/math background it would be a binary design (either on or off), from a drawing/art background it would be pen and ink (either black or white), and from a graphic design point of view the design is composed of only positive and negative space.

It seems a bit counter intuitive because the texture the etching gives seems like it would lend itself to tonal qualities, but it doesn't work out like that. And the "canvas" is simply too small to use half-tones or line tones, so you cannot have any "grey" areas, even though that's what it seems like the whole design is. Approach the design like it's a rubber stamp you are going to carve from an eraser with an xacto knife.

Perhaps it would help to not look at the designs on the tanks (after Jen and Chris have worked their magic), but to look at the designs themselves:

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And I hope I am not coming off as a pedantic jerk--it's just that I understand the desire to have your own design be the one that's used, and I would hate to see you invest a lot of time and effort on perfecting an image that could not be used in their process.

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Thank you sweetie! That makes sense! My background is piddle farter... lol That's what my dad would say. I think I am going to play with this and see if I can get it to something doable. It'll just take time on my part because I am eyeballing. She has dark hair so that leaves me a lot of room to work, but then... we don't want massive areas of black thinning the walls. So I am thinking if I can get an outline of hair being there I can make it doable. Just a project for fun. But no it does not have to be "my design" used. :D

Pwyll's posts on this subject have been dead on. In short, due to the process and the fact that the canvas is so darn small (under 1" in height) silhouettes or black and white images are what we have to work with. Think of it this way, Chris is holding a gun that will shoot sand onto the tank to create the image, there are two possibilities on the tank to create this image, sandblasted areas or not. Just like a photograph negative, we have a positive or a negative. Further because the canvas is so small a design with very small lines, dots or to much detail become problematic as the thin lines or very small areas become lost when scaled down to 1". If you want to email the image I will see if there is anything that can be done to make it happen.

I'll see if I can tweak this down to something workable. Do you remember the fad of those cubes with pictures inside? That is what I was thinking about... 3D face cubes I guess they are called... quite creepy but that is where I thought of using a picture... Any who when I get this down to something we might be able to use I'll send it so you can have a look. Thank You!


I think I have regressed. The picture is getting more complicated. haha I may have to find some help or a simpler picture. let me check my files. :D
 
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Forgive me for not seeing this in this mammoth thread. And also if this comes off as "are you serious".

Are these awesome looking tanks available for an AGA atomizer?
And without giving a nod to a competitor, does anybody even make them? Can you get a custom, or non-factory tank for an AGA?

Thanks!

There is another vendor that specializes in replacement tanks for rebuildables/hybrids that has AGA-sized tubes available. I will not mention their name here, but they are easy to find with very little effort and their website should show up on a rudimentary google search. Their pyrex is cut tubing with polished ends. They have reasonable prices for what they offer, but their glass is nowhere near the quality of Phiniac since it is both much thinner and has not been annealed.

Non-Phiniac pyrex tubes seem to be focused on being impervious to juice, but they are by nature less robust than their acrylic, polycarbonate and/or pmma counterparts. Phiniac tubes are, by virtue of going through the Phiniac process, more robust than the plastic tanks--I would say they are second only to steel tubes as far as strength goes.

Another interesting thing (to me anyway) is that to tell most pyrex tanks from plastic you have to tap them to tell the difference--you can tell a Phiniac just by looking at it...
 

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Thank you sweetie! That makes sense! My background is piddle farter... lol That's what my dad would say. I think I am going to play with this and see if I can get it to something doable. It'll just take time on my part because I am eyeballing. She has dark hair so that leaves me a lot of room to work, but then... we don't want massive areas of black thinning the walls. So I am thinking if I can get an outline of hair being there I can make it doable. Just a project for fun. But no it does not have to be "my design" used. :D

Oh, cool--we have the same background :laugh: I call it "wide-ranging interests" but my dad calls it "lack of focus or direction" ;)

As far as "thinning the walls," you don't have to worry about that. Between the thick-walled pyrex and the annealing process they do to it, the etching doesn't really affect the strength or thickness of the glass at all. In fact, the Phrosties are done "in reverse" where the tank is etched and the design left clear Phiniac Phrosties - Phiniac Glass .

I think I have regressed. The picture is getting more complicated. haha I may have to find some help or a simpler picture. let me check my files. :D

Personally, I would suggest just sending Jen your original photo and let her work her magic...
 

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Just wanted to add that I had an extra pyrex tank from another manufacturer that I bought off the classifieds in a package deal. I brought it with me to a vape meet to give to someone who might be interested in carto tanks.

In the process of removing the stainless steel top cap (which was really thin and flimsy and had a poorly fitting, over-large o-ring) I chipped the glass at the top.....twice.

Really made me appreciate the annealing process, thicker glass, perfect fit and sturdier end caps of my Phiniacs. These things look just as good today, a year from purchase, as when I first bought them.

Others might be offering a similar product for cheaper but its nowhere near the quality of these. You really do get what you pay for in regards to carto tanks.
 

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Moorea will probably need the inner and outer dimensions of the tube to be able to answer your question unless this has come up before. Also the length.

We have gone back and forth about making some glass for the aga-t. OK, what I should really say if haven't found the time yet. The issue is going to be in order for it to fit the aga-t properly it will need to be the same thin wall, so it would not be "phiniac tough" so the only point to us doing it would be to offer the option of sandblasting but that tank is short... very short and not much room for design, so I haven't decided yet.
 

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Oh, cool--we have the same background :laugh: I call it "wide-ranging interests" but my dad calls it "lack of focus or direction" ;)

As far as "thinning the walls," you don't have to worry about that. Between the thick-walled pyrex and the annealing process they do to it, the etching doesn't really affect the strength or thickness of the glass at all. In fact, the Phrosties are done "in reverse" where the tank is etched and the design left clear Phiniac Phrosties - Phiniac Glass .



Personally, I would suggest just sending Jen your original photo and let her work her magic...

Yup what he said .... the sandblasting does not take enough off the surface to worry about it.
 

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Yay! I just got my tracking number for my new tank.

It will be a nice surprise to look forward to. We found out today that we are going to have to put my dog Gandalf down in the next week or so and I could use a little cheering up.

It's been a rough year.

I am SO sorry Kat, been there done that and it sucks. My heart goes out to you. Hoping the rest of this year is easier on you! I threw in a little surprise so you have that to look forward to as well.
 

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Yay! I just got my tracking number for my new tank.

It will be a nice surprise to look forward to. We found out today that we are going to have to put my dog Gandalf down in the next week or so and I could use a little cheering up.

It's been a rough year.

Sorry to hear about your dog Kath. I've been there twice and know how hard it is. I like to think they are in a better place without the suffering. I still miss them but the pain lessens over time. Good for you for getting something that will make you happy. :)
 

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We have gone back and forth about making some glass for the aga-t. OK, what I should really say if haven't found the time yet. The issue is going to be in order for it to fit the aga-t properly it will need to be the same thin wall, so it would not be "phiniac tough" so the only point to us doing it would be to offer the option of sandblasting but that tank is short... very short and not much room for design, so I haven't decided yet.
All you'd have to do is make it the same outer diameter. Of course I'm talking about making a new gasket for it, which is child's play. Not everyone wants to do that and it wouldn't be worth your time for the handful of people that wouldn't mind buying a new gasket.

Thank you though guys. Great looking tanks, just not into polyfill anymo' :(
 

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Thought I would chime in here since I have an aga - the tank is sealed by orings in a grove. I know the newer ones are using some kind of funny gasket but the glass and the gasket still fit into a groove in the end caps. The newer ones with the funny gasket (I don't have that kind so I cant be fore sure) might possibly take a thicker glass with a modified gasket but the ones with the oring would have to be very close to the original thickness. There is a little bit of room for play but just a little. I really don't think it would be enough to accommodate the thickness of the quality glass you guys are putting out.
 

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All you'd have to do is make it the same outer diameter. Of course I'm talking about making a new gasket for it, which is child's play. Not everyone wants to do that and it wouldn't be worth your time for the handful of people that wouldn't mind buying a new gasket.

Thank you though guys. Great looking tanks, just not into polyfill anymo' :(

If a Phiniac tube was made to the same outer diameter of the AGA series, then the upper and lower decks would have to be machined down to fit the much smaller inner diameter--enough material would have to be removed that there would no longer be grooves to seat the o-rings, and the wick hole(s) might well become "wick divots." You would also be losing between 1.5 and 2 ml capacity.

When Phiniacs are described as "thick walled" it is because they are 1.5 to 2 times as thick as "industry standard" tubing used for most tanks.
 

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I've just noticed the Cobra atomizers ans the tank options (when they're in stock).

Oh dear, I feel another spending spree coming on!!!!!


- Valar Morghulis

They cleared customs in CINCINNATI today, so they should be to our local post office for pickup sometime next week. DHL is a little strange though as it does not deliver to our state. So the packages are taken to Colorado by DHL, handed off to the USPS and then delivered here. I have seent he packages take 2 to 3 days to get from Colorado to hear and as many as 5. They should be in Colorado tomorrow so I am hoping the Cobras will be on the website no later then next Friday.
 

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Well I got a shot from the doc today and if I am feeling better soon and jen does not mind I'll send a couple pics for her to have a look at it maybe it can be done? That'd be cool.
It's not lack of focus, it's ADD... :p

I've got no excuses--I'm just scatterbrained :)
 
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