Phlegm and starting vaping

[Ladypixel]

I find it interesting it dehydrates you when vaping is basically water vapor is that correct?

vaping is essentially producing water vapor, yes. However, both PG and VG are mild humectants... and you're exhaling more liquid than you actually inhaled.

 

[Ladypixel]

In terms of the PG/VG thing, I find that a blend of the two works better than one or the other alone -- but other people have different experiences. VG gives me more of that phleghmy-sensation, PG gives me a drier sensation. PG carries the flavor better than VG does, but VG produces vapor better than PG does. Etc, etc. So for me, blending is the way to go, and I tend to stay midrange (between 60/40, 50/50 and 40/60 ratios, depending on the juice).

 

[PsychicRachel]

In terms of the PG/VG thing, I find that a blend of the two works better than one or the other alone -- but other people have different experiences. VG gives me more of that phleghmy-sensation, PG gives me a drier sensation. PG carries the flavor better than VG does, but VG produces vapor better than PG does. Etc, etc. So for me, blending is the way to go, and I tend to stay midrange (between 60/40, 50/50 and 40/60 ratios, depending on the juice).

Thank you very much for that.... Ya... I think I am going to try the 50/50 and go from there.... could any of you recommend a place that does the 50/50? They don't have that option where I got my ecig and juice start up kit...

Thank you

 

[Ladypixel]

VapeDudes is almost all 50/50 juices as standard stock. ECBlend asks you to pick your PG/VG levels on their flavors, so if you choose 50/50, you get that -- they blend to order. Either of them are great options.

 

[PsychicRachel]

VapeDudes is almost all 50/50 juices as standard stock. ECBlend asks you to pick your PG/VG levels on their flavors, so if you choose 50/50, you get that -- they blend to order. Either of them are great options.

Thank you very much Am excited on my journey What flavors do you vape?

 

[Ladypixel]

Thank you very much Am excited on my journey What flavors do you vape?

I started out going heavy on tobacco flavors... but I appear to have lost my taste for most of them. Right now, I lean towards a mix of nutty-type flavors and not-super-sweet bakery flavors, with a couple candy/gum flavors, coffee flavors or creamy flavors thrown in for variety. Other than a couple apple flavors, I haven't found many fruit flavors that I appreciate yet, and I'm not a menthol person, so those are sort of sidelined. I did just try making a couple fake-drink flavors recently, though, just to see if I can mimic a couple of my favorite alcoholic beverages, so we'll see what they're like when they arrive (they're from ECBlend).

 

[n9emz]

Like Warren & Tigerlily, I had more phlegm in the beginning, but it was the old sludge from my lungs working its way out. Hot steamy showers in the morning helped me move it on out more quickly. Now, no smoker's cough in the morning, and sinuses & allergies are WAY less annoying. It took me a couple of weeks to 'work it out', but I feel great now. I don't get winded as easily and am able to be more active. And yes, I drink lots more fluid than before. I do stay away from moo juice since it makes me more mucous-y.

Same here but no allergies and I vape 100% PG. Nice to be coughing clear clams rather than green and brown stringy stuff, hacking and dry coughing. No water consumption deficiency here. Old and kidneys beginning to slow down. Have to drink a lot of water to help them process all the crap I continue to abuse them with. Just can't seem to cut back on all that red meat.

 

[imsoenthused]

Pure VG liquids make me sick, like water on the lungs pneumonia sick. If you aren't allergic to PG I highly suggest you try a mixture of the two. I am a big fan of anything from 60/40 PG/VG to 80/20. Even 50/50 makes me have "heavy lungs" like I'm coating my respiratory system with vasoline. I know some people have problems with PG and have to vape pure VG but I have found the opposite, I like the increased vapor production from having 40 to 10% VG in my liquid but that's my limit. I find it a much "thicker" vapor that seems to coat my lungs making it hard to breath and coat my tongue and throat making flavors almost non existent and all traces of throat hit hit disappear.

Edit: As a n additional comment, I used to smoke camels and unfiltered lucky strikes. I coughed up junk. Not phlegm, actual solid brown chunks of junk ever morning. Right after starting vaping, I coughed up even more of it for a good week and a half, but then It stopped. I figure it was my lungs no longer having lower expectations. For years they just figured "well, got rid of some of that, best we could do." but once I stopped smoking they were like "Awe yeah! Throw this crap out, we're starting over."

 

[egodzilla]

Hey,

I am experiencing a similar thing. I am about 3 months into vaping after 20+ years of moderate smoking.

First week after I started vaping I coughed up some tobacco related brown junk ... That was not surprising. I was mostly vaping Intellicig which I think is VG. Some 2 months all was fine.

About 2 weeks ago I started to feel ill. Flu or massive cold type of ill. I had a throat inflammation etc so the doc gave me some antibiotics ... Now The weird thing is, I feel kinda past the illness but I keep coughing up phlegm and having a stuffed nose ...

The phlegm is all white actually so I wonder what is it that its trying to get out. I am getting a bit worried with this 10 days plus phlegm session since I never had such a long
one before ...

 

[Jamiestevenage]

i find vapours tend to shy away from issues such as this, and usually try to put the blame on giving up smoking.
, i recieved quite a bit of animosity when i mentioned vaping causes phlegm, mine is clear, sometimes faint tinge colour of juice i happen to be vaping. whether it is harmful or not no one knows, is it safer than smoking, id bet yes...but i still think its dodgy.

 

[egodzilla]

Well my reasoning would be, that phlegm by it self can not be harmful and that it is clearing up the film of juice that gets layered in the air ways ... I would guess it is sooner a good thing then a bad thing. But that would have to be answered by a doc.

I still cough up small amounts of it. I think it is vamping related since it seems to be more of it when I vape a lot.

By the way, there was another thread discussing phlegm and it seems that it was rather acknowledged that it is related to vaping.

About the animosity ... Well, people tend to give up their illusions very hard. Especially if those are very pleasing. Not saying that vaping is such, but it would be a real bummer if we found out it is harmful ...

 

[EvilGrym]

Some strange feeling in the throat & deeper by the neck at adam's apple area may be rised by the silica needles contained in vapour. Simpthoms are like scratching, and voice dissapearing at the morning.

If you use china made factory atomiser it is normal. Recently we made some tests & found theese needles in vapour and condensate in silica based atomizers.

After migrating to organical wicks all that simpthoms, including phlegm , dissapear. Unfourtunately, you have no ability to use organical fiber in your factory atty.

You can try to add more water or spirit (vodka, wiskey, ginn) into your liquid. This may help you a little.

 

[egodzilla]

Probably you mean silica, one of the materials the wicks are made of?

This is quite a dramatic claim, that silica particles are going out an atty! How did you test this? Can you describe the testing procedure a bit more closely?

But yes, I agree that a stainless steel wick is probably best. What organic materials did you have in mind?

 

[EvilGrym]

Probably you mean silica, one of the materials the wicks are made of?

This is quite a dramatic claim, that silica particles are going out an atty! How did you test this? Can you describe the testing procedure a bit more closely?

But yes, I agree that a stainless steel wick is probably best. What organic materials did you have in mind?

SS mesh may be a good idea, but too heavy to manage it. i have approx 3 meters of it & dont like Now I can't imagine what to do with it. May be throw it away.

About silica fiber, on which most wicked attys built. I tested condensate from atty by microscope and found needdle-like particles in condensate. Then I made this test: I placed the wick with coil about 1 cm at object glass and turned power on for 2 seconds, then looked at condensate - found nedles again. I raised discussion at ecigtalk.ru forum, and another one man made his own tests in a laboratory. He tested standart attys (condensate from atty , condenced vapour and seconhand vapour) and found needles too.
(my photo 340x magn.)

This problem was found at december 2011. since that time we actively using cotton & bamboo fibre instead of silica. I organized something like a subcommunity of naturalfibervapers. Now we actively develop this idea & looking for best meterials. But for now the main is cotton (bandage from drugstore) the second is bamboo yarn.

Lifetime of organic wick depends on how well it's wetted by liquid. varyes from 1 day to more than 14. best results on tank systems or dripping of course.

 

[egodzilla]

My god, that really doesn't look nice I can just hope we cough that up and it does not stay in our lungs! But I guess this must be on a fresh wick, since later gunk probably prevents particles to become airborne?

Did you post it somewhere else in this forum? Maybe it is worth starting a new thread in the health category ...

Regarding the SS wick, just use a Genesis atomizer which uses a SS wick. I am going to build a Line V2 any day now. Just waiting for the batteries to arrive ...

By the way, did you do the same test with cartomisers? What were the results?

 

[juicejunky]

SS mesh may be a good idea, but too heavy to manage it. i have approx 3 meters of it & dont like Now I can't imagine what to do with it. May be throw it away.

About silica fiber, on which most wicked attys built. I tested condensate from atty by microscope and found needdle-like particles in condensate. Then I made this test: I placed the wick with coil about 1 cm at object glass and turned power on for 2 seconds, then looked at condensate - found nedles again. I raised discussion at ecigtalk.ru forum, and another one man made his own tests in a laboratory. He tested standart attys (condensate from atty , condenced vapour and seconhand vapour) and found needles too.
View attachment 88038 (my photo 340x magn.)

This problem was found at december 2011. since that time we actively using cotton & bamboo fibre instead of silica. I organized something like a subcommunity of naturalfibervapers. Now we actively develop this idea & looking for best meterials. But for now the main is cotton (bandage from drugstore) the second is bamboo yarn.

Lifetime of organic wick depends on how well it's wetted by liquid. varyes from 1 day to more than 14. best results on tank systems or dripping of course.

Wow, I always wondered about this and have tried to deny it could happen. Figured if silica fibers were in the vapor, my tongue, mouth, throat, etc. would itch like when you get fiberglass on your skin from the slivers.

Don't the cotton and bamboo yarn burn when wrapped with the hot coil?

 

[EvilGrym]

Don't the cotton and bamboo yarn burn when wrapped with the hot coil?

Yes it can burn if you overdried it. But when it wet enough it does not burn.

simpthoms are scrathing in adam's apple and voice dissapearing at the morning. pimples i think is the simptom too. When i used silica wick pimples (rather big) were all the time (a couple every day). After migrating to organics pimples gone. I think silica needle injured mucous tunic of troat & deeper & infection gets into blood. Not so much to cuase something serious, but enough for rather painful pimples. Having one at your ...,back or face is not very pleasant thing.

Man I told tested cartomiser. All OK, needles present, like in other attys he tested.
gunk probably prevents - no, any condition gives needles, gunked less, but still produce them.

We know about genesis like systems here in Russia, but they are not popular. Hard to maintain, hard to get materials.

By the way. Once I (what a fool) made a wick of a real fiberglass. Amazing feelings i've got!
After this I had tickling in the throat for a week. So I have what to compare with.

 

[egodzilla]

Materials for genesis attys are really not hard to get and the procedure is not that bad once you get it.

If you are interested in genesis attys go to the forum vaporwall dot com

There are data on what materials works best and how to set them up.

 

[EvilGrym]

genesis attys

We are going another way . I just raised a question at our forum who used genesis & organics , I tell the results later.

At least , organic wiks give very good taste transfer, so you can use less aromas, a lot of vapour, harder nicotine hit for brain , and softer throat hit (i think that we considered needles hits as a throat hit partly, here we have true throat hit more nic more hit, no nic - no hit. ).

 

[egodzilla]

Well I like SS mesh 400 ...

But I think the future is in porous ceramics ... Check this out ThermoVape | Portable Botanical Vaporizer

Organics seem fine, but I am afraid it means a short atty run time and also some problematic burning materials ...

But I do admit I never liked any fibers, wether ceramic, silica or other ...