PIF Needs(will be closing soon)
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i don't think it will make any difference. it always depends on the poster and no matter how the thread is named if there is somebody looking to abuse the honor system he/she will do it.
this thread, too, was classified as a place for dire needs so where will be the difference for a thread called 'emergency needs'?
bonnie, i'm so sorry to hear that your friend is gone. sending hugs and strength your way
I totally agree. If there's a will, there will be a way, sadly enough. I took a hiatus from here because I couldn't stand to watch the people taking advantage of those wanting to help. I really understand that when you do something it is from your heart and it makes you feel good. However, on the flip side of that, I want to help those that really need the help. I'm just not into scammers and it does not make me feel good to be scammed whether it was a gesture from my heart or not. Being taken advantage of just blows and makes me feel lousy.
Now, when you say you want something and I have it I will give till the cows come home. What's the difference? HONESTY!
Anyway, I've kept my fingers still on this subject until now. In all walks of life there will be takers. It doesn't matter what the title of the thread may be.
This is what we struggled with! We had thought of maybe doing a closed (mod only thread) where people with NEEDS would have to pm one of the mods to ask for help and we would post it and get them in touch, but then worried that it would be too time consuming, or maybe people would be afraid to ask one of us first. Also that it would be too "micro-managament-ish". I, personally, was afraid to bring it to open discussion because I didn't want anyone's feelings hurt. But now that we have opinions being posted, I would love to hear more! Keep them coming, just let's make sure we don't hurt anyone in the process. No specific examples or names and such. Just thoughts and feelings on it.
(I will be at work til 5 CST, so I won't see responses until then)
Bonnie ~ *HUGS* to you, I am so sorry to hear this!
I would like to see all posters of needs or wants participate in the pif forum first. There are a lot of newbies who post in many threads before going to the need/want pifs. Kind of like the 10 post thingy to get out of the newcomers lounge.
I still think people believe it is easier to ask for what they want, than remember how much it cost them last month for smokes.
When I see people whom I have never seen before, asking for stuff just because they can, I get bothered that they haven't even taken a minute to say hi.
We all need to remember that everything that we ask for, has been paid for by someone.
I still think people believe it is easier to ask for what they want, than remember how much it cost them last month for smokes.
When I see people whom I have never seen before, asking for stuff just because they can, I get bothered that they haven't even taken a minute to say hi.
We all need to remember that everything that we ask for, has been paid for by someone.
In cases such as this, the poster can simply be pointed back to page one of the thread to be reminded (nicely) what's acceptable to post in the thread.
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Hmmm, I think I missed where you were going with this when I first read it. I see it's a little more than a poster mistaking an emergency for a want upon reading it again. I do see your point (now
). I believe we will see less of the blurred need/want posts in this new thread at any rate. And that change will be helpful to the group.
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Bonnie... my deepest sympathies for the loss of your friend.
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I'm one of the ones that has been so blessed by this forum. I didn't post in the Needs thread but Rose pulled it in from a noobie thread. I am so grateful to everyone for their help in providing some of our ladies with equipment and juice to expose them to the possibilities being smoke free. When I posted originally, I was asking a question about what was possible. (I don't smoke so I was really a noobie). I have had a few opportunities to PIF. And I've been privileged to pass the blessings that you gave on to others in our home and few outside our home.
That being said, I do understand the difficulties of determining what is a scam. It is my opinion that when given the opportunity, they will reveal themselves... just as they did here. If people use common sense and watch the conversations, the person who is scamming the PIF community will be revealed. Once in a while, people will appear to be taken advantage of and the scammer will succeed ... but like I've said before, the giver is the one who will be rewarded no matter what the heart of the receiver is like. I believe that the receiver is rewarded "now', but the giver is rewarded "now and forever".
I suppose it would be fine to start a new thread with a fresh statement of the vision. I don't see any harm in that. But the scammers will always be lurking about. My only hope is that we don't let them cause us to fear. It is so destructive to fear being taken advantage of. Fear will cause us to close up our own hearts. In the grand scheme of things, who cares if I'm taken advantage of. You can't take advantage of me. If my heart is right, I'll be fine... no matter what someone else does to me. But the thing that will ruin this community faster than anything is fear. Let's not be afraid of the scammer. Let's just give with an open heart and trust that it will all work out.
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I have several things to say, so please bear with me.
Bonnie - words cannot adequately express how sadden I am for your loss. Though her body is gone, her spirit lives on through you. I will keep you and Harriet in my prayers.
Blaze - I am sorry to hear of your troubles. Hopefully everything will get sorted out in your favor. In the meantime - if there is ANYTHING within my power to help you, please let me know. I have seen you give of yourself over and over and recieve so little in return. Just know that in your time of need - it is ok to ask.
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As far as PIF is concerned, I have watched this group from it's inception and all the drama, the goodness, the kindness, and the abuse.
For me, PIF is part of my lifestyle. I've done this all my life. However, most people will never know this, because I believe what I PIF is for no one else to know, be it here on the forums or in life. I don't expect any "thank you's", recognition or "atta boys". It is any act of kindness that is done that fulfills a true need and then I move on.
Many times my offer to help has been turned down for various reasons - not a HV/LR atty, not a carto "I only drip", not the right juice, not into DIY, not the right nic strength, and so on. OR - find out that the person in need has spent a small fortune on vape stuff.
Whatever happened to taking responsibility for your actions?
When I decided to start vaping, I researched, researched, researched. I saved $110 to buy 2 901 starter kits, extra atties, batts and some juice. This was used for 5 months before I got a generic "stick". Saved $$$, bought 2 mods with extra atties, batts etc. PIF'd my starters and stick.
If you've run into some "bad" luck, blown through your stash and are on your last whatever, then you have a need.
Poor planning does not necessitate a need. Buying a mod and not being able to upkeep it is not a need.
Telling me that you'll resort to smoking because your juice sucks, your atties are dying, your batts are dying or whatever is not a need. Smoking is a choice. I know, because I started back on smoking, BUT IT IS MY CHOICE. It is MY RESPONSIBILITY to get off of smoking. If you have no juice, your atties and batts are dead, you have a need.
If you have a need, then you don't have the luxury of picking and choosing. You will take what you can, you will do what you need, to get you over the "hump" and back on track.
PIF is not about bargaining or promising. Don't tell me that if you get your needs met, that you'll return the favor in kind. Just do it. Your actions will tell me if you are sincere and that you understand the true meaning of PIF.
These are just my observations and thoughts on PIF. Thank you for letting me rant.
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Bonnie - words cannot adequately express how sadden I am for your loss. Though her body is gone, her spirit lives on through you. I will keep you and Harriet in my prayers.
Blaze - I am sorry to hear of your troubles. Hopefully everything will get sorted out in your favor. In the meantime - if there is ANYTHING within my power to help you, please let me know. I have seen you give of yourself over and over and recieve so little in return. Just know that in your time of need - it is ok to ask.
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As far as PIF is concerned, I have watched this group from it's inception and all the drama, the goodness, the kindness, and the abuse.
For me, PIF is part of my lifestyle. I've done this all my life. However, most people will never know this, because I believe what I PIF is for no one else to know, be it here on the forums or in life. I don't expect any "thank you's", recognition or "atta boys". It is any act of kindness that is done that fulfills a true need and then I move on.
Many times my offer to help has been turned down for various reasons - not a HV/LR atty, not a carto "I only drip", not the right juice, not into DIY, not the right nic strength, and so on. OR - find out that the person in need has spent a small fortune on vape stuff.
Whatever happened to taking responsibility for your actions?
When I decided to start vaping, I researched, researched, researched. I saved $110 to buy 2 901 starter kits, extra atties, batts and some juice. This was used for 5 months before I got a generic "stick". Saved $$$, bought 2 mods with extra atties, batts etc. PIF'd my starters and stick.
If you've run into some "bad" luck, blown through your stash and are on your last whatever, then you have a need.
Poor planning does not necessitate a need. Buying a mod and not being able to upkeep it is not a need.
Telling me that you'll resort to smoking because your juice sucks, your atties are dying, your batts are dying or whatever is not a need. Smoking is a choice. I know, because I started back on smoking, BUT IT IS MY CHOICE. It is MY RESPONSIBILITY to get off of smoking. If you have no juice, your atties and batts are dead, you have a need.
If you have a need, then you don't have the luxury of picking and choosing. You will take what you can, you will do what you need, to get you over the "hump" and back on track.
PIF is not about bargaining or promising. Don't tell me that if you get your needs met, that you'll return the favor in kind. Just do it. Your actions will tell me if you are sincere and that you understand the true meaning of PIF.
These are just my observations and thoughts on PIF. Thank you for letting me rant.
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Confused as to why the needs thread is being closed....please explain this one
Blaze,
If you need/want anything that I can help you with, please let me know....I am here for you!
If you need/want anything that I can help you with, please let me know....I am here for you!
First let me repeat condolences to bonnie....
followed by the sentiment that I don't really support the needs thread being closed...
at the beginning there were seperate threads....
then during our last big blow out fiacsco back in Janish the wants and needs were combined....
that was followed by lots of people asking for them to be seperated again around march or april...
it works as a seperate thread and should just be left alone....
though people SHOULD use their heads and consider what a real need is...and have somewhere to post it....
I see this thread closing and can't help but think damn here we go again....a replay of the mess this place became last time with people jumping ship...feelings being hurt....and the threat of all of PIF being shut down....
Why does something that works need to be changed?
yes an occasional reminder of the rules and how things work is needed....a complete change isn't....
and if we're changing this thread....then why aren't we discussing a change to the PIF thread as well which several several people feel is completely against the spirit of what the concept of PIF is about...
Lol. Drozd. This forum didn't form until at least April BUT I do understand what you are asking so I will give you my 2 cents. I think the 'emergency needs' thread will definately (IMO) cut down on all the people who see this thread in the new post section and think "oh, I need something. I will ask for it in that thread."
Just the wording will make people think twice about posting. I don't know if PIF requires anyone to 'join' anymore but it seems as if people are just posting there . . . . and everywhere to 'get' something.
Several times lately I (or another pifer) have had to ask someone to move their post or read the rules because they just jump in without any knowledge of what we are trying to do.
What would you like to discuss about the PIF thread?
Just the wording will make people think twice about posting. I don't know if PIF requires anyone to 'join' anymore but it seems as if people are just posting there . . . . and everywhere to 'get' something.
Several times lately I (or another pifer) have had to ask someone to move their post or read the rules because they just jump in without any knowledge of what we are trying to do.
What would you like to discuss about the PIF thread?
you're right I got my timeframe screwed up...
the last big breakdown huge fiasco was in May...
the 2 threads were combined at the same time...
then they were seperated again by lots of requests back in late Aug early Sept...
What I'm getting at is if we're closing threads and fixing threads that arent really broken...why aren't we discussing fixing threads like the PIF one that lots of people seem to complain about and several agree aren't true to the concept and spirit of PIF... (as has been ranted about by many in the chit chat thread for example)
I'm somewhat in agreement with Drozd, I'm not sure closing this thread will work as intended.
I will use a specific example, but I can get away with it, since it's me...
I found PIF because I posted in the newbie thread about problems we were having. Our first purchase had not worked out and Tim was getting sick on the nicotine. So I came here with a very modest need, just some small quantities of juice to test and figure out exactly what was making him sick. Mark came through for us and pretty soon we were able to determine that Tim just needs a surprisingly low level of nicotine to be comfortable vaping.
Now while I do feel that was a genuine need... I DON'T feel it was a DIRE need. Tim was still smoking, so it wasn't as if it was some terrible thing that he would still have to go out and buy "analogs", he was going to anyway. We could have easily waited a month or so and made another order, but by posting here, I was able to get what we needed so our next order was more informed.
But I would have never posted in an Emergency need thread. In fact, I doubt I would ever post a need in such a thread. How many TRUE emergencies will people really have?
On the other hand, I guess that means I would have just gone to the wants section. And I'm pretty sure that such a modest asking would have still been met pretty quickly, and maybe that's what is desired by closing this thread.
Also second opening discussion about the PIF thread... that place is a shark tank and very intimidating to me now, despite the fact that I would really love to participate more.
I will use a specific example, but I can get away with it, since it's me...
I found PIF because I posted in the newbie thread about problems we were having. Our first purchase had not worked out and Tim was getting sick on the nicotine. So I came here with a very modest need, just some small quantities of juice to test and figure out exactly what was making him sick. Mark came through for us and pretty soon we were able to determine that Tim just needs a surprisingly low level of nicotine to be comfortable vaping.
Now while I do feel that was a genuine need... I DON'T feel it was a DIRE need. Tim was still smoking, so it wasn't as if it was some terrible thing that he would still have to go out and buy "analogs", he was going to anyway. We could have easily waited a month or so and made another order, but by posting here, I was able to get what we needed so our next order was more informed.
But I would have never posted in an Emergency need thread. In fact, I doubt I would ever post a need in such a thread. How many TRUE emergencies will people really have?
On the other hand, I guess that means I would have just gone to the wants section. And I'm pretty sure that such a modest asking would have still been met pretty quickly, and maybe that's what is desired by closing this thread.
Also second opening discussion about the PIF thread... that place is a shark tank and very intimidating to me now, despite the fact that I would really love to participate more.
drozd, i think what toni wants to accomplish with closing this thread and opening 'emergency assistance' is to try and make it clearer what 'needs' are. imo, it was made plenty clear to begin with. problems can arise by people taking advantage and renaming a thread won't stop that.
there are actual emergencies and help should be offered if possible. but sometimes i wonder how people managed to pay for cigarettes but can't do it for their vaping needs. maybe it's because nobody ever, that i know of, was sending cigarettes through the mail to tie somebody over.
due to my allergies i have not participated much but i've tried to help out with some hardware when i could. not all of those needs showed up in pif. lately i've been more comfortable helping newbies locally.
i know there have been only a few 'bad apples' but those few managed to leave a bad taste behind.
i don't know what could be the solution and wish i could wholeheartedly agree with HyOnLyph but i guess i'm not as charitable as he is.
there are actual emergencies and help should be offered if possible. but sometimes i wonder how people managed to pay for cigarettes but can't do it for their vaping needs. maybe it's because nobody ever, that i know of, was sending cigarettes through the mail to tie somebody over.
due to my allergies i have not participated much but i've tried to help out with some hardware when i could. not all of those needs showed up in pif. lately i've been more comfortable helping newbies locally.
i know there have been only a few 'bad apples' but those few managed to leave a bad taste behind.
i don't know what could be the solution and wish i could wholeheartedly agree with HyOnLyph but i guess i'm not as charitable as he is.
I get what you're saying...honestly I do...
but what I'm looking at is the overall....
yeah there's bad apples on occasion and all but overall it works...
it was closed once before and combined with another thread....
lots of people requested them to be seperated and it was opened again...
so we're fixing a problem that really isn't that much of a problem.....but refusing to address a problem that HAS been complained about repeatedly like the PIF thread?....
all I see is a slow beginning to the ut oh here we go again nonsense from back in May that we barely survived....and I know I don't have the energy to go through all that crap again...
I don't see why we can't just leave the threads alone for stability's sake...and just use some damn sense and police them...
if something here isn't appropriate...move, edit, delete it...advise the poster that it's an inappropriate place for it and suggest the proper place...
or adress all the issues including the bigger ones like the "shark tank"
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Do you have a suggestion, Drozd? We should discuss it now. This thread is going to be closed anyway. We may as well get all the ideas that we can. We are all in this together. There are still a few 'founders' of this forum left here and I for one would like to see it be happy and healthy.
why is the pif thread a problem? people are taking and in return giving, the name might not be accurate but what a nice way to try different things [unless you are allergic, lol].
maybe it's more like sharing but if you are just starting out it's great you don't have to worry about equal exchanges.
maybe it's more like sharing but if you are just starting out it's great you don't have to worry about equal exchanges.
bluedove3 -- You should use the PIF thread if you see something you're interested in -- you know what it's there for, so no reason not to use it.
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