PIF Needs(will be closing soon)
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I really dont understand what is wrong with the pif thread. It is the same as it has always been take an offer and make one. I love the pif thread, it started this all. I think the group has evolved from this thread and we have found many more ways to help and give ... but I dont understand why the original thread is such a problem
neither do i, sensay
but then you get it compared to a shark tank and i wonder why?
but then you get it compared to a shark tank and i wonder why?
Blue . . . tell us why. Has anyone given you a hard time? Offers are being added to, people are replacing offers when they know the giver is having lean times. Some people 'stalk the thread' which does make it difficult to share 'the good stuff' but those people know who they are and are being encouraged to give others a chance.
It shouldn't feel threatening.
It shouldn't feel threatening.
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that's it... the name isn't appropriate...
it's not true to the spirit of the concept of PIF
lots of people consider it to be a to quote "shark tank"
with lots of sniping and it gets ugly
lots of complaints about it...read back through chit chat...
me personally...I don't do the PIF thread for that very reason... I watch the needs thread...and the wants thread...
now that part of that is going away... I'm left questioning the why to it all...
I think bluedove described exactly what the difference is between a need and a want in the quoted post.
Some folks would see her request as a "need" and some as a "want".
With the new thread I think many will give their "need" a lot more thought before deciding if it's a "dire need" and posting it in the new thread or just something they want.
Based on bd's example, I'm all for scrapping the "casual" need thread and implementing the new one.
The "Emergency" thread really IS a "needs" thread...but more specific. I think the name alone makes one consider if what they're about to post is a need or a want...then they can get the post in the right place. Does that make sense? (((Drozd)))
drozd, but as paula said that is where it all started! wants and needs are not going away so one may choose to participate wherever it's most comfortable for that person
you all miss my point....
the point was there's nothing wrong with this thread either....
but if you're going to see a problem with it and close it...then the other big elephant in the room should also be addressed....
and there have been plenty of complaints of the PIF thread becoming a stalking ground for some...the constant waiting for bigger and bigger PIFs, serveral several members expressing their distain with it to the point of them almost being done with it, the same people taking multiple offers, etc...
my point was....leave the threads alone for stability and just enforce the rules...
The way I take the pif thread.... was at the very beginning Clumsy posted a gift to who ever wanted it. From there the recipient was to pay it forward and offer a gift to someone else. I don't think any of us that participated in that thread night after night could have ever imagine this beautiful group would emerge from it. I think any issue that might have been a problem from that thread has been covered in this group. We have a wants, a needs, a swap, a treasure chest.
ok explained this way I can see where you are coming from a bit more. Thanks for explaining your point of view a bit more.
It gets a bit "grabby" at times, perhaps slightly abused, people haunting the thread looking for "good stuff", analogous to e-bay sniping. Sometimes folks who've been around a while, who should have a pretty good stash (based on what they've already picked up via PIF, Wants, Needs, etc.), seem to still be looking for large PIFs and putting little back on the table.
It's a matter of shades of gray, like most things. Sometimes folks hang out, keep an eye on the thread, will pick a PIF up, or add to it, if it's been on the table a long time. In other cases, when something beefy pops up, you'll get some of the same people stepping in to claim it.
A lot of this is self-cleansing, and in many cases I honestly believe that folks don't recognize what they're doing -- a PM to an individual can help them, gently. We all (myself included) need to keep the Mods up to date if there's a person popping up too much. The joys of Modship include acting as a politically correct buffer if someone seems to be stepping in a bit too often; after all, someone may indeed be scarfing up a lot of PIFs, but turn out to be turning a lot of others on to vaping.
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i can tell u how, but i'm not 1 that does a lot of asking either.
my situation is i came back to the states w/ almost nothing due to finding out while my marriage meant a lot to me, apparently the vows meant little to her and apparently was just kidding. so i came back w/ nothing. no bank acct, no CC, no job. to a place where the job market is a joke and even McD's tells u not to bother applying because they have so many applicants already. anywho to the smoking. i did a bit of bumming but the majority i found odd jobs here and there to get $$, $10 here, $15 there, $30 there and used to buy tobacco for me to roll, and a pipe in case i didn't have enough for papers. well i started vaping to support my friend who's supposed to quit to keep his insurance. well he's decided vaping was too much of a hassle, doesn't want to deal w/ the learning curve etc. but that means he's not willing for me to hand him cash to use his CC anymore either. and u'd be surprised how few vendors even want to discuss a money order. even though it'd b me that'd have to wait longer. so typically support my habit through trades be it my modding skill/time or whatnot. and a few ppl r just really nice because they know my situation.
but really tib all it takes is no CC or paypal and u could b dead in the water. at least in my area where TW FL turned into the napa of e-cigs - u can't purchase on location, (but u can pick it up there the next day after u order online) and the only other supplies i've found are pre-filled carts by some company i've never heard of at an exorbitant price wher it'd b cheaper to buy the tobacco.
I think its being changed because alot of people dont understand the simple difference between a WANT and a NEED.The new thread will kind of put that into perspective for them.If its not a dire EMERGENCY then it is a want and can be handled that way.I think sometimes you have to make things self explanatory or people just dont seem to understand.I think alot of people feel that PIF is being taken advantage of and would prefer that it stop.We dont ask for anything in return or ask for cash for shipping if you want something.We do have a right to define a need.Its fun to share and trade,thats different.A need is something you must have right now in order to keep vaping.I think the new thread makes that pretty clear,and I dont think this has anything at all to do with past drama or any other PIF problem.Its just a way to make things clear and simple to understand.
thanks for listening...
I'm going to expand on it just a bit more...
do you remember the ugliness of May...
the closing of threads...the censorship... the movement toward a gestapo state?...
for me the closing of this thread and reopening it with a more specific point...is just too reminiscent of that...
after we reafirmed the concept of what a need actually is here in this thread...it settled down...
why is an upheaval of stability necessary?
for me here we go again....
Jules leaves...
and threads start to get closed....
really?.... are we going to go through all that again?.....
what's next?.... what's the next shoe to drop?...
I'm on a fixed and minimal income, I really only need bats or a pcc for my 510, unless anyone has a spare huge eGo bat laying around. I have to take a 36 hour train ride next month and I'll have a very limited access to power.
I do remember , I think I now have full understanding of why you are concerned. We certainly have been burned in the past. But I honestly dont think this is the case here. If we posted half of what we are posting here right now... back then... it would have already been deleted. But I do understand your point of view and why you are concerned.
The closing of this thread and the opening of a new one is to clarify the above statement. "Only ask for things that you absolutely have to have to keep you vaping until your next check comes in"
To many folks dont understand "Need" vs "want" way to much of what is in here is a "want"....when you are demanding a specific item, turning down help, and seem to have "constant" Needs...obviously the message of what makes a need isnt clear enough.
If anyone can come up with a better solution to fix this issue, be happy to hear it.
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