Your opinion is appreciated but there is a history here and things that have went on behind the scenes that members don't know about. This is not something that was done without some deep thought and consideration and yes, even a few tears.
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PIF does work Jules, the spirit of it is wonderful. When I started here it gave me some different great juice flavors when I was first getting things in, education and then the courage to try DIY( thank you doll , that credit goes to you). This is a good thing . Your hard work is much appreciated. The generous spirit here is golden.
May I make a few suggestions? I see the drama and stress that's been generated in PIF lately and I don't think that's how it's always been from observing the generosity and thoughtfulness of so many members. This is what I see...
1) It's important to read everything and read it carefully before jumping to any conclusions and then posting a reaction to those conclusions. Just this morning I read a post reacting to a misunderstanding of facts in one thread that was cleared up in another thread relating to the same problem.
Which leads directly into...
2) I think it would be wise to leave all discussion, particularly about a PIF problem, where it originates no matter where that is rather than starting a new thread - OR - taking the entire discussion from the old thread to the new one. That would help to avoid the posts responding to partial information which then snowball and have to be repeatedly cleared up. Additionally, I wanted to reference something Jules posted about there being a lot going on behind-the-scenes that many didn't know about in relation to the recent problem...that's important info for the rest of us to know, that we do not have all the facts...but I don't think that was in this thread and I don't know which thread it was in. I, personally, think it would be beneficial for all of the info to be where the discussion started so that everyone only has to read one thread to know what everyone else knows (the info that's already public, not the 'behind-the-scenes' stuff). Did that make sense?
I know it seems like it would be neater and less confusing to start new threads to deal with these things but that usually isn't how it works in practice.
I hope no one thinks I'm being critical (see sig). I just see all the stress happening that shouldn't and would do what I could to ameliorate it. This is a good place...sometimes things have to be dealt with, but it shouldn't be causing tears and constant clarification and chaos.
1) It's important to read everything and read it carefully before jumping to any conclusions and then posting a reaction to those conclusions. Just this morning I read a post reacting to a misunderstanding of facts in one thread that was cleared up in another thread relating to the same problem.
Which leads directly into...
2) I think it would be wise to leave all discussion, particularly about a PIF problem, where it originates no matter where that is rather than starting a new thread - OR - taking the entire discussion from the old thread to the new one. That would help to avoid the posts responding to partial information which then snowball and have to be repeatedly cleared up. Additionally, I wanted to reference something Jules posted about there being a lot going on behind-the-scenes that many didn't know about in relation to the recent problem...that's important info for the rest of us to know, that we do not have all the facts...but I don't think that was in this thread and I don't know which thread it was in. I, personally, think it would be beneficial for all of the info to be where the discussion started so that everyone only has to read one thread to know what everyone else knows (the info that's already public, not the 'behind-the-scenes' stuff). Did that make sense?
I know it seems like it would be neater and less confusing to start new threads to deal with these things but that usually isn't how it works in practice.
I hope no one thinks I'm being critical (see sig). I just see all the stress happening that shouldn't and would do what I could to ameliorate it. This is a good place...sometimes things have to be dealt with, but it shouldn't be causing tears and constant clarification and chaos.
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very nicely put and it probably would have better, and made it easier to keep track, if this would have in neph's original thread.
BUT JULES LOVES STICKIES!!!!!
joking aside, there is just no way to enforce the rule "do not take advantage"
as gooddog wrote, she will not have one or two bad apples take away the joy she gets from her sending her juice samples to all her newfound friends on pif.
and she is just one example of the generosity existing on pif.
BUT JULES LOVES STICKIES!!!!!
joking aside, there is just no way to enforce the rule "do not take advantage"
as gooddog wrote, she will not have one or two bad apples take away the joy she gets from her sending her juice samples to all her newfound friends on pif.
and she is just one example of the generosity existing on pif.
Ha! I sort of got the vague, very vague, impression that Jules loves stickies. But I'm really observant like that.
This is just a very emotional folder. It's been a safe place and a really affectionate and caring place for so many people. I can see the love and devotion and protectiveness that many of you feel for each other and it's a beautiful thing. Let the good emotions run rampant! But (everyone) keep a level head and give yourself some time before posting when you're feeling negative emotions about something that's happening. Reread to make sure you haven't misread something and aren't responding to a misunderstanding.
Ok, I'll shut up now.
This is just a very emotional folder. It's been a safe place and a really affectionate and caring place for so many people. I can see the love and devotion and protectiveness that many of you feel for each other and it's a beautiful thing. Let the good emotions run rampant! But (everyone) keep a level head and give yourself some time before posting when you're feeling negative emotions about something that's happening. Reread to make sure you haven't misread something and aren't responding to a misunderstanding.
Ok, I'll shut up now.
I have to be honest,I have no idea whats been going on.I feel kind of stupid.I know someone did something to upset everyone,but I cant figure out what has happened.Its making me a bit uneasy,and I wish I understood more.I feel very left out of the loop.Its probably not my business,but that doesnt help.Im still wondering.could someone maybe enlighten me with a PM?If not,its fine.I just like to know what Im dealing with.Thanks
I will keep a lookout Jules, I look through the classifieds all the time looking for stuff. I am sorry if my rant in the PIF upset you but I felt that someone was trying to destroy it and I let my feelings get the best of me. PIF is too good to ruin!!!!
From the OP -
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward/94766-how-do-we-report-pif-abusers.html
Here you go, keyzygirl, this is pretty much what's been happening I think.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward/94766-how-do-we-report-pif-abusers.html
Here you go, keyzygirl, this is pretty much what's been happening I think.
While I haven't actively participated in the PIF thread, (mostly watching for a few samples of TV liquids I'd like to try but always seem to miss them..lol), I spend most of my time on ecf in this group and browsing the classifieds so I'll definately keep an eye out for unscrupulous behaviour. Most of my activity in this group has been sending things to people who post in the "wants and needs" threads.
Ultimately, I'd like to see this group stay intact as it gives me hope for humanity.
Ultimately, I'd like to see this group stay intact as it gives me hope for humanity.
I feel the same way Rose. I have my own Mother's giant heart to thank for it. From my earliest memories, she always helped out whenever she could. In whatever way possible. She had the kids from the Children's home society out to our house on many holidays. Year after year. She never passed a homeless person without giving them something. One day someone asked her "Why do you give money to those people all the time. They're just gonna go buy a bottle with it." And my Mom's answer to that question has stuck with me and I'm glad it did. She said "Well, if they spend it on a bottle, shame on them. But if they are hungry or homeless and I had something to give and didn't, then shame on me." This, coming from a single Mom with three kids to feed. That's basically how I feel about our PIF. I give gladly, but I do not give quite as blindly as my Mom did and still does.
And I do feel that on one occasion I was taken advantage of. But I have to admit that I didn't feel 100% about doing what I did for this person. Just thought it was the right thing to do at the time. Now it just kind of gnaws at me. I really do not like to be played. But I will not let that one incident ruin what I get from being a part of such a giving, loving, caring community as our group is.
Hey everyone I don't post often but I have watched PIF grow and evolve into a large group of really nice, caring, giving people. Reading between the lines sometimes it seems as if there are a lot of folks giving even more than they can afford. The underlying spirit and generosity of the PIF is what has kept me coming back not so much to trade but to uplifted by the basic goodness and kindness in most everyone participating.
The items I offered in the "who needs this" thread are my way of PIF. What I want in return is the knowledge that my small gift has the potential of helping someone that might not otherwise get off analogs do so.
Jules is an amazing giving person and her generosity and willingness to spend so much time keeping PIF going is truly "PAYING IT FORWARD"
Thank you Jules for all you do.
The items I offered in the "who needs this" thread are my way of PIF. What I want in return is the knowledge that my small gift has the potential of helping someone that might not otherwise get off analogs do so.
Jules is an amazing giving person and her generosity and willingness to spend so much time keeping PIF going is truly "PAYING IT FORWARD"
Thank you Jules for all you do.
Don't worry about it Jules. There has always been drama, from inception to now, but we always get through it, and come out stronger than before. Just look how much it has grown since Clumsy's first post. If it's stressing you this much, pick more admins to help you out. There are plenty of trustworthy people who would be glad to share your burden.
No offense, but I'd probably delete about half these threads, so don't nominate me.
No offense, but I'd probably delete about half these threads, so don't nominate me.
This whole thing just leaves a bad taste, it's incredibly selfish for someone to take advantage of the generosity & kindness shown on this forum. It's people like that who make kind, giving & caring people very untrusting of humanity. I for one would never be able to live with myself if I was taking advantage of someone, the people who do have no conscience. That being said, I really hope it doesn't cause the downfall of our little group! Coming to ecf and to this forum has been an incredible source of strength and support for me and I would hate to see that change.
And Jules, I know it's upsetting and I've been there myself so I would be hurt too. But please don't let these few amoral people change who you are. Those of us who are here for the right reasons appreciate everything you do and stand for.
And Jules, I know it's upsetting and I've been there myself so I would be hurt too. But please don't let these few amoral people change who you are. Those of us who are here for the right reasons appreciate everything you do and stand for.
The person and instance that started this thread had nothing to do with Neph and what he is dealing with. Yes, it ended u involving that situation but it was over something totally different that is why it was not put in Neph's thread. You don't post about apples in the oranges thread.
I made this thread with the hope of getting some help in keeping the abuse down to a minimum. Sorry, this must have been the wrong way to do it.
You all have a great day!
I made this thread with the hope of getting some help in keeping the abuse down to a minimum. Sorry, this must have been the wrong way to do it.
You all have a great day!
Seems to me that everyone is trying to be helpful and supportive here,Whats the problem?I seem to be slow lately,Im not getting it.
I personally enjoyed reading your post and thought you had a lot of valid and rational thoughts regarding the black cloud hanging over PIF right now. It seems to me that the thread has had fewer PIFs in the last day or so. My guess, is that people are feeling uncertain about PIFing and about what is going on. I have only made about 5 or 6 offers on there but I know I have been sitting back and watching all of this play out. I can tell you I feel more than a little paranoia about using the classifieds right now for items that I purchased with my own hard earned money. I personally would not sell a PIF but quite frankly I have tried to make offers very close in value to what I have accepted and I personally don't care if someone were to sell what I gave them. Stating that you didn't receive it to get a replacement (from nephilims thread) is what burns me up. That is dishonest.
Seriously, if I GIVE something then it is a gift. Who am I to judge? Do we know what the circumstances are that forced the person to sell these items? I can't imagine someone would do that unless there was a dire need. Maybe I am just naive. If we are that attached to what we are giving - then don't give it in the first place. People should not take advantage but that is their own karma and frankly not my business.
I keep seeing people (and not just lioness who I quoted) who have done nothing wrong apologizing for nothing. For having opinions that are completely valid and relevant. It is what makes us all indivduals and we should embrace it. Clearly there are a lot of hurt feelings regarding this situation and just as much uncertainty as to what is going on behind the scenes but at a certain point we all just need to live our lives and be as upstanding and honest as possible and give as freely as we feel comfortable. The needs and intentions of the recipient are a gamble and you don't go to the table with anything you aren't willing to lose.
I, for one, will not be watching the classifieds. However, I respect the decision and right for others to keep an eye out.It makes me highly uncomfortable to think that we will be "watching" each other with suspicion. I would like to think that I will still be welcome in the PIF thread although I am aware that my views are most likely different than many of you.
This is all fresh and I think people are reacting emotionally but maybe with time the wound will heal.
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I didn't mean to offend you. Your post was valid in every way. I am sorry that you feel that you must apologize for posting.
From here on out I am going to take a moderator approach to the group. I will not be contributing except when needed to solve a problem since it seems that no matter what I say or do comes o9ut right. You would not believe the PM"s I've gotten today. So if you have a problem, contact me, Clumsy or GoodDog. I will just silently sit back and watch and just fix things as needed.
Thats not right or fair or anything.You cant do that.You guys created this group because you wanted to help and to be part of it.You cant just sit in a corner and cry and watch!!What the heck is going on around here!!Am I the only one who doesnt get it!!WHAT HAPPENED TO CAUSE YOU TO FEEL THIS WAY????This is your creation,now you dont want to participate anymore??I give up...Maybe its me,I think its pitiful.
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