Pillbox38's: Totally Wicked E.Smoking Liquid..About to hit the UK

[pillbox38]

Apostle it still is, just a few glitches getting no chex and paypal sorted....Everything going well, then hassle all day..

 

[ApOsTle51]

Apostle it still is, just a few glitches getting no chex and paypal sorted....Everything going well, then hassle all day..

haha ok Ja , i'll sit at my PC frantically hitting the refresh button.
Visitor Number 1 whoot!!

lol@ Kit..you remembered my DX firework..erm cigar

 

[Kit]

haha ok Ja , i'll sit at my PC frantically hitting the refresh button.
Visitor Number 1 whoot!!

lol@ Kit..you remembered my DX firework..erm cigar

hehe...........!

 

[Kate]

The site is open now.

 

[pillbox38]

Hi Kate, it is...Also later i will mail you my new label, your advice has been taken, icludes the hazard sign and text you mentioned.. I placed an order today and can confirm all bottles after the stock i currently have is gone will come with child proof caps.

So totally wicked will be as water tight as i can currently make it.

Totally Wicked E Liquid

 

[ApOsTle51]

OOohhh..nice Site Ja , very slick , easy to navigate..great colour scheme. I notice too your selling the super mini kit and spares , you gonna do more of a range on the hardware or are you gonna keep hardware seperate to software

now...hmm banana or chocolate............

 

[pillbox38]

Apostle...Thank you.. Going to be adding to the super with the black super mini and fingers crossed TROGS Screwdriver will be on sale there..

 

[Kate]

It would be good if you sold the DSE901 too, that's a better esmoking experience for new converts. It would be a pity if people were put off because super minis weren't adequate for them.

Well done Pillbox, the site looks great. Just one complaint, the guest book doesn't work yet and I wanted to be first

I'll be happy to give my opinion on the new label but I must remind you, I'm not a professional, it's just my opinion. Child safe caps are a good addition too.

You've done a good job, now relax for a while, put your feet up, have a cup of tea and wait for the orders to come in.

 

[ApOsTle51]

The toxic Methanol component should be replaced in the formulation with Ethanol with immediate effect.

Any further action being undertaken on the Above yet Jason. I know your a busy guy but the lab report author does seem rather concerned about the methanol.

 

[Kate]

Pillbox, you mention on your site that the potency of nicotine is what gives a hit. I guess that means the harsh throat feeling. Is this something you were told by the pharmacy? I was thinking that it was flavourings or some kind of additive that made the harsh taste.

I'd like some flavourless extra high nic eliquid. If it was just high nic and pg or glycerine it would be easier to tell what nic tastes like.

 

[TheSiege]

lol, so much for waiting for the site. I have to wait 3-4 days for my damn NoChex account to actually become active, sigh. Back to ebay..

 

[pillbox38]

Apostle, i added that report as it was the first we had done. It was the menthol flavouring.. I pulled all menthol (since we have a new batch all ok) till i had spoken to the manufacturers. They were buying from a hong kong company only the menthol flavouring.

Since then we have had another report done which i posted on here..

It is advisable to Check any menthol flavours out before buying, i have as you can see in the electronic cigarette store stopped selling menthol fluid.. These come from a different supplier.(but methanol found in there as well)


Reason i put this up first was for reasons of transparency, i did not want to post it anywhere else till i had satisfied myself all was sorted, it is now.

In 7 days i will remove this report and add the latest one.

But rest assured the Methanol has gone all my menthol flavours and all others are clean as a whistle

 

[Kate]

Pillbox, if that report is no longer current since you've stopped selling the problem juice I suggest you take it down as soon as possible. You're going to give people the wrong idea of what's in the current eliquids on sale. It's better to show no report than one that doesn't apply and says your products are toxic.

 

[rustylug]

WOW man ..... What can one say ..... Your site looks well cool, and your wording is very good ....Love the devils on the site .... Now where do i place my orders now hahaha ...Think i will stick to the phone numbers i got .... Cool site Jason.

 

[pillbox38]

FAO: Jason Cropper,



Hi Jason,



Please find attached the report on your latest sample of the ‘Totally Wicked’ ES Smoking Liquid.



The nicotine level appears to be much lower than the previous sample, and the toxic methanol component appears to have gone. Some other low level chemicals are identified, in particular a suspected carcinogen called “3, 4-Dihydro Cumarin”.





Kind Regards,



Mike Ellicott, CChem MRSC

Laboratory Quality Manager

Senior Applications Scientist

LPD Lab Services Hotline Number 0044(0)1254-507379



LPD Laboratory Services

Blackburn MicroTech Solutions Ltd

Philips Road

Blackburn, Lancs , BB1 5RZ , United Kingdom

Tel 0044(0)1254-507552 Fax 0044(0)1254-507402

LPD Labservices: UKAS Accredited Chemical Analysis Laboratory

 

[pillbox38]

Kate>>>>I have just sent you the new label pdfs, can you take a look and let me know your opinion on them..Thanks in advance...

 

[ApOsTle51]

The nicotine level appears to be much lower than the previous sample, and the toxic methanol component appears to have gone. Some other low level chemicals are identified, in particular a suspected carcinogen called “3, 4-Dihydro Cumarin”.

I don't know which is more worrying. The old report of methanol or the above quote from the new one.

a rock and a hard place .

 

[pillbox38]

The low level of “3, 4-Dihydro Cumarin” identified as being present in the ‘Totally Wicked’ nicotine solution is ‘not currently recognized as posing a health hazard’. However, the chemical is suspected to be a carcinogen2, a suspected gastrointestinal toxicant or liver toxicant, and a suspected neurotoxicant. So elimination of this chemical from the formulation may be required in the future.



7. Recommendations
a) ‘Pillbox 38’ should take a Proactive look at replacing the Propylene Glycol component completely with an alternative such as Glycerol, in the event that the solvent becomes added to the list of respiratory toxicants in the foreseeable future
b) ‘Pillbox 38’ should take a Proactive look at finding out how the low levels of “3,4-Dihydro Cumarin” find their way into the formulation, in the event that the chemical becomes added to the list of carcinogens or toxicants in the foreseeable future, and the chemical then needs to be eliminated from the formulation

 

[Kate]

The cumarin ingredient doesn't really worry me in small amounts, it's better than thinking you're taking in a known toxin.

I've had a look at the new labels Pillbox and emailed a reply. Looks good.

 

[ApOsTle51]

lol Thanks Ja, I just found the original post of the report from you HERE

It was just the small quote of it you posted stated it contained a suspected carcinogen and nothing else, got me all panicky and got me reaching for my mini ( how ironic ).

But even with that listed ingredient, the report states totally wicked is safer than a real cig.

6. Conclusion
On balance, the ‘Totally Wicked’ E.S. nicotine solution appears to offer a much safer alternative to the traditional cigarette

I still find it pretty cool how you can still come on these forum and anwer so many questions rapidly..even on your new website live day....kudos to ya.