Planning my Quit smoking strategy, need help with ecig

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Interesting. Did you use all of them at once? Like, you had a patch on while you were vaping and chewing nicorette?

Yes. One of the things I learned is that many of the symptoms of nicotine overdose are similar to nicotine withdrawal. One exception seems to be nausea... usually that is overdose as I recall. Most smokers have the experience of being out on the town or whatever, smoking up a storm, and then at a certain point they feel a twinge of nausea and they do NOT want a cigarette for at least an hour or two, in fact don't even want to look at one. This is classic overdose of nicotine. Maybe it manifests differently for some people, but I think most smokers have had this or a similar experience.

The physician with whom I worked would tell stories about patients calling him after-hours, thinking they were overdosing on nicotine... lots of anxiety, maybe palpitations, and so forth. After talking to them, usually he would decide it was was withdrawal and would tell them to use their nicotine nasal spray, which would alleviate the symptoms in about a minute. Often its underdose/withdrawal vs. overdose. Particularly when the person's in stressful situations; this actually increases the amount if nicotine the brain wants/needs.

As I recall, I only ever thought I was getting a bit on the high side of nicotine when using the 4 mg lozenges. For whatever reason, they seem to deliver in a bigger hit than gum, even at the same 4mg strength. I suppose the gum probably releases more slowly, even if you chew aggressively.

Studies in smokers show that they regulate their nicotine levels very tightly, automatically. When they switch people from full-strength cigarettes to lights or ultra-lights, research has shown that the users still get exactly the same amount of nicotine in their blood, again, within that person's very narrow range. The way they do this is that they unconsciously hit more often, hold it longer, and draw it deeper. It is for this reason that it is believed that switching to light cigarettes is actually bad for you (relatively), because smokers expose themselves to MORE of the bad stuff in cigarettes in order to get their required dose of nicotine. I will admit that I smoked lights, but I believe this research that it would be better to smoke fewer full strength cigarettes, all else being equal.

Normal OTC aspirin causes hundreds of deaths per year. It's easy to find this statistic. And yet I'm having trouble finding how many people die from nicotine poisoning a year (not smoking, but nicotine). I'd bet it's probably lower, but would love to see some data. And Tylenol apparently hospitalizes 26K/year and kills ~500/year. (A cousin of mine has a replacement liver courtesy of Tylenol toxicity; her drinking days are long gone, at the ripe old age of 22). In my opinion, nicotine by itself is really not much more dangerous than these two so-called "safe" OTC drugs, and it might actually be safer.
 

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decide that you liked vaping more than cigarettes or NRTs?
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Once you try it with a good PV and a juice you like you will know. It tastes better than cigs, you don't smell like an ashtray anymore, etc. etc. The NRTs give you the nicotine but don't address any of the physical habits of smoking. And they are not enjoyable...
 

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Well, I didn't mean to give the impression that I was "excited" about them. They're tools, like vaping. I don't think anybody should just dismiss them, though. There are places where it's really not OK to vape just due to social consideration (ie, a movie theater perhaps) where it can be nice to have other tools available.
I vape in the movie theater all the time, and I blow the vapor down my shirt.
It's kind of hard though, because I make a lot of vapor, so I have to remember to take small drags.
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The Ego/Riva models are quite good and a good all-around choice for a first unit...

One word of caution, although you probably already know this is your doctor is worth his salt... be careful with the Chantix, a lot of really bad side effects possible with that. Those who can take it do well, but those who have side effects, it can be bad. Unfortunately, mine was bad as was my husband's. But we have a couple of friends who did well with it. Good luck to you, and you may find that you will be able to vape at your workplace, even if it is stealth vaping.

Be very, very careful with the Chantix. It does suppress your urge to smoke, but it comes with a nasty set of side effects. I took it for awhile and it did nix the urge to smoke. But the side-effects were hell.

I've never been depressed or suicidal, but it had an effect on me I never want to experience again. It worked great for a month, then I hated it. It caused wild dreams, which I enjoyed, and then it just made me miserable.

When Chantix first came out it quickly became the most prescribed smoking cessation drug. Six months later it's sales fell in half. Doctors refused to prescribe it. If it goes wrong, the side effects are just too strong. This is an interesting read (a 2008 article). I would never recommend anyone taking Chantix, even my worst enemy.

Better to get some vaping stuff, experiment with it. Then, on your target date, just don't smoke and give your vaping experiments a serious try. You'll be happy you did.

If you do go the Chantix route, please have a family member or a close friend keep a watch on you. You might not know that you are getting psychotic.

Pfizer (the maker) should have their license to sell in the US pulled for what they have done with this drug. Read up on how they have under-reported on the fatal effects it has had.

If you do choose to take it, I wish you good luck.

Please don't try Chantix. If you get a decent e-cig, you 100% will have no reason to use that horrible medication.

Please think long and hard about the Chantix. It nearly killed me - literally. (I spent 2 days in the hospital.) I also watched the most wonderful 38 yr. old man you could ever meet turn into an angry, raving lunatic - and develop very serious health problems - after using this drug for less than 2 months. His personality is "almost" back to what it was (2 years ago), but the medical problems persist and the doctors can't find the cause. Prior to Chantix he was as healthy as a horse. He did quit smoking, but often talks about how dearly he paid for it.:(

The last number of suicides related to this product that I heard was 37. (I don't know if that is only since January or longer than that.) There have also been people who became homicidal. It's a medication that was never tested long-term on a very large group and in my opinion should never have been placed on the market. A former neighbors wife (mother of 2 small children) has been institutionalized for the past 2 years due to the use of this medication and her husband has initiated a lawsuit on her behalf.

You still have enough time to try the e-cig, correct? Google Chantix side effects and see what comes up. Unfortunately, just because a doctor prescribes something it doesn't automatically mean it's "safe" - or safe for everyone.

Please think long and hard about this. Do your research and then make a well informed decision.

Best of luck to you! :)
 

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I'd like to add my voice to this chorus:

... be careful with the Chantix...
Be very, very careful with the Chantix...
... skip the Chantix...
And apologies to all the others who said the same thing before my fingers got tired

Please take this excellent advice to heart, and read, think, pray, talk it over with your doctor and your pharmacist.

In my initial post, I said I thought a combination of support, medication, and e-cigarettes would be my best chance at smoking cessation, but I've since amended that - if and when I add another medication, specifically to aid in my transition to e-cigarettes, to the barrel of pills I already take every day, which, I'm pleasantly surprised to say, appears increasingly unlikely, that pill will NOT be Chantix, no way, no how.

I bet you won't need any pills either!
 
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