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Davs

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Hi,

I wanted to reply to your post, because I empathize a great deal with it. I'm bipolar type I also, struggle with anxiety and also take meds, and have been smoking steadily since age 18, stopping ONLY when pregnant and nursing. I too have cut back a great deal using an e-cig, and it's been hard, I too made several errors regarding nic level and whatnot.

The first thing I need to say is that I've TRIED nicotine replacement in various fashions, and it hasn't worked well. I quit for two or 3 weeks using an e-cig when they were pretty new.... But it was at a point in my life that I was not stressed, as I wasn't working.

This may help you or not, but the NIH (Mental health division) did a study on the reasons why putting down a cigarette can be tough even WITH nicotine replacement--- this was done a few years ago but I could probably find the link-- few people know this, but a tar cigarette, the tar itself is an anti-depressant also, it's an MAOI, which is one of the more powerful anti-depressants out there. KNOWING that was helpful for me, as I was like, "Well, if I can get through the first few weeks, I can deal with the MAOI fading away, and get used to just vaping (which is, as far as hand to mouth, far more satisfying than any other nic replacement.) I even considered asking my pdoc to give me EMSAM which is a transdermal MAOI for the first few weeks but then I was like, "Don't be an idiot, Anna, that's just ridiculous." That being said, as an MI person myself, though my quit date is Sunday, knowing I've already cut back if I start feeling drastic, I will take a hit or two off a cigarette and not beat myself up for it. The half pack I'm smoking? I already don't usually finish the whole cigarette. If you are worried, and financially strapped, grab one of those packs of cigarettes and use it ONLY with the understanding that hey, I will take a puff or two, put it somewhere safe, and puff on it later if I MUST). Yeah, yeah, they say relighting cigs is bad but this is a TRANSITION period. I bet smoking 1 or 1.5 cigs a day that way won't kill you, at this point. Also, there are great threads re: nicotine withrawal and how to figure it out, treat symptoms, etc.

Again, don't be too hard on yourself. There have been times when depressed/manic I've smoked up to 3 ppd, and cigarettes have been my best friend, for life. Until the past 2 years when I have gotten repeated, increased, horrible pneumonias and I know I'm headed for COPD if I don't stop--that's motivating :)

THIS MORNING was the FIRST MORNING in my life, it seems like, that I didn't head STRAIGHT for the cigs, which I usually do upon awakening, (with coffee), and this morning I bathed, did laundry, hit my vape, and THEN finally smoked a cigarette! What a victory! It's amazing what can be achieved with the right tools, motivation, and support. This is a fantastic site, and I really hope it helps.

Also, I'm not sure how much you are aware are your options for treating anxiety (which will probably rise, during the initial quit phase...) There are plenty of non-habit forming anxiety meds that you can consider, or talk over with your doc. I hate benzos too, they just make me freaky and disinhibited, sigh. I use Neurontin daily and it TRULY helps with the anxiety, and it's a daily med where I don't have to up the dosage. Also, Seroquel in TINY doses (maybe XR if you have to go places, function, and whatnot) helps me just become a non-anxious blob on the sofa, I use it during episodes where I'm just CRAZY anxious, that being said you have to be careful as some of the atypical-antipsychotics change how nicotine and cigs are processed in your system....

There are also tons of anxiety coping skills. I use the one called "Mammalian diving reflex" when I'm just NUTS.... You get a big bowl of water with ice-cubes in it and you close eyes, hold nose and breath, and suspend yourself up to your ears, a couple times. Whales and other diving mammals have this reflex-- it decreases pulse, respiration, etc., all things anxiety related, so that mammals can hold breath for a long time under water-- humans have it TOO, though we don't use it much. I was skeptical to try it (I hate cold water, but it WORKS). I plan to use this if I'm really fretting for a real cigarette, as it just kind of CHILLS you out completely-- THE best coping skill I've found (I'm a therapist) as far as sheer physiology. Buying the Anxiety and Phobia Workbook might benefit you-- it's full of great stuff, you can do it by yourself or with your BF/therapist or even on your own, it's a cornucopia of excellent tools for anxiety. You can get it used fairly cheaply. I use these skills often.

If you want more info on meds or coping skills, I'd check out site crazyboards.org, they will educate you as a consumer as far as what might help you stabilize your meds, while you quit, and how to talk to your doc about it.

And finally, don't give up! I'm actually really excited with my morning progress. Be gentle to yourself and good luck! Finding the right e-cig for you will really give you a leg up and this site for sure did that!

Take care,

Anna
First of all, I can't like your comment enough. It makes me feel very good that you put so much thought into responding. And I almost choked up over your victorious morning. That is me! First thing I do in the morning is turn on the coffee maker, grab a cup of coffee and smoke a cig. I've told my bf numerous times that mornings will be the hardest for me. So I totally get the celebratory feeling you must have today.

I haven't tried the ice water, but I do splash ice cold water into my face when I start getting extra anxious or panicky, it kind of jolts me back into a better place. I actually learned about doing that on pinterest and was surprised how well it works. My mom give me essential oils for calming too. I don't know how much I really believe in oils but I think smelling something strong is a lot like a grounding technique and it does help. Pretty much tho, the biggest thing I've done with my anxiety is just go with it. The more I fight against it the more worked up I become until I have a total meltdown. I've learned that at some point there really isn't much I can do to make it go away. So I like to chant to myself, when I'm about to do something hard "just get it over with" it's stupid, but it actually helps.

I'll need to reread to get the spelling of nerontin but I've heard of it before and am going to google. And it does help to know about the tar being an antidepressant. Thank you so much! x
 

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You don't say whether you actually like your set up, but I am getting the impression you don't. If you don't really enjoy your device and/or juice, you will be less likely to turn to it when the cravings happen.

I'm also inclined to think that you need more nicotine, but not delivered with a sub-ohm device.
Well, I don't dislike it, and it also depends on the juice. This one banana juice I use, I really like, but it doesn't have enough nicotine to really curb cravings, so I can vape it forever and I still want to smoke. I really can't afford another device but my bf and I were wondering if I could or should pick up some of those gas station blu e cigs, to go back and forth between my device and that. Maybe having a variety would help. But really it's not so much the device as much as still figuring out the right type of e juice, I think.
 

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I like that. I think
Keep it up! You are not alone in the fight to quit.. there are a lot of us! I have been searching for things to distract me when I am craving a cig.. So far fidget spinner works for a bit, puzzles have also helped for longer periods of time. I also put my pack of cigs in spots that are hard to get to, I take 1 out when I really need it and put it back in the spot. That extra little difficulty of getting a cig out makes it easier to convince myself of not needing one at times. Good luck!
I will figure out an inconvienient place to store my cigs. :)
 

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Well, I don't dislike it, and it also depends on the juice. This one banana juice I use, I really like, but it doesn't have enough nicotine to really curb cravings, so I can vape it forever and I still want to smoke. I really can't afford another device but my bf and I were wondering if I could or should pick up some of those gas station blu e cigs, to go back and forth between my device and that. Maybe having a variety would help. But really it's not so much the device as much as still figuring out the right type of e juice, I think.
I would recommend a Juul - those nicotine salts are strong but don't make you cough.
 
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I would recommend a Juul - those nicotine salts are strong but don't make you cough.
It looks cool, but the starter kit is $50 I got two kangertech subvod c's for $32 bucks and that almost broke my bank. :/

The blu e cigs at the gas station are $12, but I was thinking I would only use them when I'm absolutely craving a cig, to switch things up from my device. :)
 

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I agree that it is too expensive. I've never actually tried Juul, but I met someone who finally quit smoking with them after trying with mods. I have some unflavored nic salts that I've been mixing with other stuff that I got at Nude Nicotine.

You could try a nic salt juice with the highest resistance coil made for your device which I believe is 1.5ohm.

Ask the people in this thread if they think that would work OK...
Nicotine Salts Juices for pods
 

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My Husband quit smoking and started only vaping about a month before I did and it was so easy for him to do. I was very addicted to smoking. I was 25 cigarettes a day doing roll your own with pipe tobacco lol. The strongest stuff i could get. I also had a lot of issues (and still do) with allergies in the vaping liquids. Tried eveything to convince my self to stop smoking and just vape. But I was still bumming smokes from people at work and rolling more at home. But one day I realized I couldn't stop smoking for anyone but me. I had to want to quit, it was hard but I told my self i was doing it for me and that this is want I wanted. You have to figure out why you want to quit and feel good about it and the anxiety will stop when you feel confident in your decision. Just remember no one can do it for you but you :) You are smart, You are Strong, You can do this!
 

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I was vaping 24mg nicotine juice and was smoking way less, but it made me cough so hard that I bought 6mg juice.
Get something in between- 12, 15 or 18

Maybe having a variety would help.
Collecting a few different devices would help with having something to do, I find maintaining my equipment to be Me Time. It would also allow you to have different strengths of nicotine and/or different flavors to keep things interesting.

Cigarettes only ever tasted like one thing. Crap. Now there's not enough hours in the day or tanks on my dresser for all the amazing flavors.
 

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Davis, I'm glad you found that stuff helpful :) Quitting smoking with MI is double tough. Well, not really, it's probably hard for everyone. :) If you can get a device that will allow you to vape higher nicotine, I'd do it. I'm waiting on an non-sub ohm tank as I can only vape 6 right now. I got something decent as a) I will save money overall with not smoking, and better hardware with an e-cig makes a huge difference. I hope it gets here as promised by Monday... b) sub ohm vaping just CHEWS through e-juice, I am finding. I don't need a 100 dollar juice habit monthly....

That said, if all you can afford right now is something cheaper and disposable, yes, DO that. You're in your transition period so anything you can do to help yourself is an INVESTMENT in quitting, which is awesome.

A lot of docs don't love neurontin, as the drug company initially did some shady stuff including sending out reps with CRAZY made up drug studies about what it will treat. It's a WEAK anticonvulsant, and in my opinion the only thing it's really great for is anxiety.... Though there's some minor stabilization of mood, I've found. If not, you can try the sister drug, Lyrica, which is the neurontin molecule flipped over. I think lyrica has worse side effects personally, but some docs are ARGH on neurontin, you might want to look at research studies to bring in on anxiety. When I get some time I'll take a look and maybe post you some links.

I enjoy vaping to a POINT. I'm not sure I want to sub ohm 6 m.g. like, non-stop so I feel you on the nicotine level... Anna
 
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What helped me transition is when I got into rebuilding crazy coils. I transferred all the energy it took to spark up a cig into tinkering on my devices, which most the time i didnt even have to change them. I found I was actually addicted to whole process of smoking, the ritual I guess you would call it, and channeled that into vaping.
 

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I think you're right. I was vaping 24mg nicotine juice and was smoking way less, but it made me cough so hard that I bought 6mg juice. Now I can vape without coughing, but it's doing nothing to curb my cig cravings. I think I will go back to the high nic for a while.
Welcome and glad you joined.
Would try 9 mg. with the same flavor as 6 mg. then mix the two to drop down to less than 9 mg. After awhile you could go for 3 mg. and repeat process.
Might want to get into DIY to save money:
Getting Started: DIY 101 – Mixing Your Own eLiquid
http://diyordievaping.com/category/latestnews/beginnertips/
DIYorDIE Concentrates
DIY E-Juice Resources: Over 100+ DIY E-Juice Resources – E Juice Makers
Could read the stickies in this forum:
DIY E-Liquid
Your not alone, have identical member of family same approx age,sex and cond/med. problems (She goes once a week - off the see the wizard).
 
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@Davs - After reading your posts...I'd like to offer you some help with transitioning to vaping and getting off the smokes. I have a large number of new starter kits, a big variety of new mods and tanks, lots of factory coils, etc., and I DIY eliquids for myself, several friends, and my niece. If you'll PM me, so we can discuss what type of set-up you might like to try for a spare, and what flavors you like in eliquids...I'll gladly send you a spare set-up and a bottle of eliquid I'll make for you. There'd be absolutely no charge whatsoever to you.
:)
 

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@Davs - After reading your posts...I'd like to offer you some help with transitioning to vaping and getting off the smokes. I have a large number of new starter kits, a big variety of new mods and tanks, lots of factory coils, etc., and I DIY eliquids for myself, several friends, and my niece. If you'll PM me, so we can discuss what type of set-up you might like to try for a spare, and what flavors you like in eliquids...I'll gladly send you a spare set-up and a bottle of eliquid I'll make for you. There'd be absolutely no charge whatsoever to you.
:)
Can't stop helping people can you jan? :)
Things like this restore the faith in humanity for me. :)

I know it's not that big a deal but i make it a point to appreciate goodness when i see it(who knows if the person might really need just a little appreciation in life).
 

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@Cf11 - Thanks for the very kind words, Shivam. I'm just in a position with "vaping stuff" to help someone else who truly could use it, so I figured why not? :)
You're just a very beautiful person is what you are :)

Btw my order is arriving soon. Will have to start bugging you again [emoji14]
 

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You're just a very beautiful person is what you are :)
Btw my order is arriving soon. Will have to start bugging you again

Awww, thanks. Now you're making me blush. :)

I was thinking your order ought to be there soon. Just let me know when you get it. By the way...you don't bug me at all. I enjoy our conversations and your enthusiasm for learning about anything to do with vaping! :thumbs:
 

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hi, this might be the 3rd thread I started. One was about Fasttech where I got my kangertech subvod c's, the second was about coughing from the vaporizer, which I learned I was vaping too high of a nic level, and also needed max vg, then my bf's o ring on his subvod got cut in half when he changed the coil. Well, I just reordered and received and brand new subvod c cuz we think his was a lemon, and it was only $4 more to buy a whole new device rather than just a tank, plus we now have an extra battery.

Anyway. So it's two weeks in with the vapes, my bf is down to 1-2 cigs a day and doing great. I on the other hand am dying. Not literally. But my body get physically hot and sweaty, my blood boils and I obsessively think about smoking when it's been a few hours since I've had a real cig. Thing is, I know I'm not having nicotine withdrawal cuz of my vaporizer, so this all must be psychological. But I am terrified to run out of cigs. We have 7 packs left in the carton we were going to go thru and plan to never replace.

I am bipolar, I have BPD, PTSD, agoraphobia, and have a severe anxiety and panic disorder, I also have a (((very))) addictive personality. Cigarettes have been my stress ball, my excuse to step away from stress, the best friend that never criticizes me for 24 years. I have a huge psychological thing for everything about cigarettes and I'm so afraid to let go of them.

So here I am, I know many of you have found success in quitting via vaping and I want to get where you are. I mentioned this in my first post here, but I'm also on a fixed income so quitting would make a huge difference in my life financially. I'm here looking for advice, encouragement, tips for gaining the strength and motivation to let go of my cig habit. Right now I'm still smoking 8-10 cigs a day from 1 1/2 packs. But I really can't afford to vape AND smoke in future. Please help. TIA

P.s. The photo is of a rock I'm gifting my bf's dad of his 57' chevy, my kangertech subvod c, & a 120 mil bottle of Lucky Devil 6mg nic, banana marshmallow e juice that a kind person sent me on his dime when he found out I bought 24mg nic 80pg/20vg juice. It's very tasty and I plan to buy from him in future.
I guess I could post my chest xrays from 45 years of smoking, that might do it.
 

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Awww, thanks. Now you're making me blush. :)

I was thinking your order ought to be there soon. Just let me know when you get it. By the way...you don't bug me at all. I enjoy our conversations and your enthusiasm for learning about anything to do with vaping! :thumbs:
You deserve it :)

I enjoy it a lot too just because i have a great teacher ;)

Sorry OP... Didn't mean to high jack your post [emoji14]
I'll stop spamming now. :)
 
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Yeah, mine are still recovering after 6 years of vaping, and I only smoked from age 15-26. Seeing that crap in my lungs did get me to finally quit though.

Congrats on having quit, and on having done so so young. You might still be recovering, a bit, but I'd bet you are pretty much back to where you would be if you hadn't smoked.
 
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