Plastic Bottles & E-Liquid

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mwa102464

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OK, it's not just one thing that is doing this, there are numerous additives we and vendors are using that are put into juices that are effecting the final outcome of storing in plastics. Simple solution is to just use glass and not even worry about it. Same with buying pre-made juices, if your buying from vendors who are putting your juice in 15-30 and up ml bottles then I would consider asking them to use glass or simply dont buy it. By the time they mix it up and you get your juice even 3-5 days later it could be effected using plastic bottles. I've done enough testing now with many different flavorings and have tried mixes only 2-4 days old as well as longer steeped juice in plastic vs Glass,,,, the Glass wins every single time, it just taste better.

I just found two bottles of a sour Apple and a cinnamon from a year ago and the bottles have actually changed in color to a yellow and a red-ish,, that is pretty sick. Of course those 2 flavorings are well known for having a reaction to tanks and plastic but still, to think I vaped some of that isnt fun,,, in fact I got sick of using it not to long after I bought it because I thought it tasted funny,,, so while looking through some old stuff I came upon them, dam there really sick looking.
 

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I haven't noticed these problems with my plastic bottles so far, but just in case I'm wondering about different kinds of glass jars. Do you guys think that baby food jars would work to store juice? Or maybe glass canning jars? Just wondering if I could use the stuff I already have laying around as opposed to buying containers.
 

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kookycole ,

As long as they are creating a good tight seal I dont see why not, but the darker Cobalt Blue and Amber are probably best because they dont let as much light into the bottle, but those ones you mention I feel are much better of a choice then any plastic for sure.
 

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I've ordered glass bottles for my stuff also. I know when I get some things like nico juice, PG, VG and some flavorings, they will come to me in plastic bottles, but when they hit my door they're going into glass containers. NOW, if I could only find some glass tanks that wouldn't make me have to take out a mortgage on the farm, I'd be all set! I'm beginning to think that is Mission Impossible!
 

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I still think trying to identify what is in the juices is appropriate but it doesnt seem like we want to do that. Instead we should all just switch to glass and be done with it? While I agree on that premise... if its caustic enough to melt or leech plastic... why the hell would we want to vape it. Putting that same chemical into glass doesnt make it any better to vape, it just makes storing it and preserving it better.

Me think the point is being missed. The reason I asked what was in your bottles mwa is so we might be able to find a common link and research it a little.

What were the ingredients? I agree on not naming vendors here but what kind of juices were they?

Am I being obtuse for asking and digging deeper?

Why vape an ingredient that can melt plastic.... if they all do then i dunno what to say. " just use glass and dont worry about it" doesnt seem to me like a SAFE idea to promote. Heck, why worry about it melting plastic if its going in your lungs!

Ok
(im being ironic just ro get my point across. not to ruffle feathers.)
 
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Honestly, I never really thought about the plastic leaching anything into the juice but I went ahead and converted everything to glass. I picked up a bunch of these glass bottles on Amazon. They have other sizes as well.

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I think we all agree on moving to glass. I looked at my4jewels thread and her list is excellent and she deserves alot of credit for putting it together however its still speculation and I think maybe the larger issue here is what causes degrading plastics. Besides, thats the whole premise behind using glass bottles. It seems to have got lost here.

Whats the point of switching to glass if the chemicals in the glass as still just as volatile? Just to avoid the plastic leeching? Ok I get that... but again. if it can degrade plastic should vendors be selling it to begin with?

I have many of the flavors on that list, none have caused plastic to melt... yet.
 

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I haven't read all the thread, but I did read a lot of it. I have been making my own juices and using plastic bottles. I'll get my juices flavored just as I like them and by the next morning, they taste nothing like I mixed them. I know some people say to let them steep, but that is supposed to improve the flavor I thought. I was thinking it was the sweetener I was using (100% pure sucralose diluted) that was changing the flavor. So, I mixed some without sweetener and it tastes just like the one mixed with it, just not as sweet and they both taste bad after adding a lot of flavoring (white chocolate). The flavor is basically gone. I add more flavor and after a few hours, the flavor is gone again.

I have 3 bottles sitting at home right now, one with sucralose, one with stevia and one without. All in plastic bottles. This is a sugar cookie flavoring. I'll see when I get home if they all taste the same.

What made me think it might be the sweetener was that I had the sugar cookie made just right and vaping on it all evening and when I woke up this morning, I started vaping it and I noticed I could hardly taste it at all. Now, I did have it in a giantomizer, which I believe is an overgrown CE2 which is also plastic (I think they all are) So, I'm confused really on what is causing my flavor loss. I think I'll order some glass bottles and mix the same thing in all three and try the sweetener experiment again and see what happens.

I'm glad I found this thread.

When you switch to glass let us know how much of a difference it made. I have the same problem but in my case I know it is me me not the bottles. It isn't unusual for for a juice to taste great in the evening and like crap in the morning.

I do try to avoid the use of any kind of plastic with juice. That means stainless CE2' and glass bottles.
 

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Well okay I guess overall safety and the cause behind this discussion is not to be had, or wanted. So Ill just agree all vendors should switch to glass and keep vaping stuff that melts, cracks, and leeches plastics but is good for the lungs. Not sure why Im being ignored on this point, and mwa didnt even acknowledge my questions. Still, thanks for making me rethink my use of flavorings in diy entirely tho. After a vivi nova tank tonight cracked on me within 10 minutes of putting tpa bananna in it Im starting to wonder alot more. Never had it happen before. Now that I have a first hand experience I realize this stuff is a lot more complex and I need to better understand flavorings. Vaping just became scary to me. Good luck on this discussion. Ill have to find these answers in another thread.
 

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I think we all agree on moving to glass. I looked at my4jewels thread and her list is excellent and she deserves alot of credit for putting it together however its still speculation and I think maybe the larger issue here is what causes degrading plastics. Besides, thats the whole premise behind using glass bottles. It seems to have got lost here.

Whats the point of switching to glass if the chemicals in the glass as still just as volatile? Just to avoid the plastic leeching? Ok I get that... but again. if it can degrade plastic should vendors be selling it to begin with?

I have many of the flavors on that list, none have caused plastic to melt... yet.

Sorry didnt know the question was pointed at me Buffaloguy,,, well with your last post I gues you wouldnt say it is speculation anymore, Right ? To me it is far from it,,,,, do the test I suggested and put a couple freshly made juice's in say 3ml plastic bottle or any plastic bottles you want,,, then put the same 3 juices in glass bottles, leave them on the window sill for a week to 3 weeks,,,, note the color changes of the juice in the plastic bottle, then look at the juice in the glass,, next vape the three juices in fresh Atty's and note the difference in the taste. If this doesnt change your mind nothing will.

As far as vaping different flavors there are probably a few that aren't so safe with cinnamon being one of them or any oil base flavoring for that matter. another thing you asked about is the plastic degrading, and what causes this, there are probably a few things between the alcohol base some flavorings use certain molecules that could effect the plastic I think, as well as other things that cause the bottles to not only leach but just make your juice taste bad from the plastic being the culprit itself . I'm not a chemist who has all the answers for you and one of the reason I started this thread was to find out, I'm sorry about that, I was looking to learn more myself, but its not as important to me anymore because I'm simply not using plastic ever again.

As far as vaping the same stuff that's making this happen with plastic I don't know that I am because using glass with that flavoring that same chemical reaction isnt happening, then the Atty is also heating it to a point that it may be killing it once heated to the vaporization point possibly, just dont have all the answers for ya my friend, but I do feel more confident using the glass, and my juices taste much better to me and no funny taste any longer, that I'm sure of
 

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@Clovery,

Your Batts are good ones, and 901 connection ,,, so try an HH-357- 901- Atty- 1.5ohm, from Avid vapor Dot com,, and get a drip shield to go with the 357 901 Atty, you will forget all about Cartos :) or you can also get a 901-510 adapter and run the 510 HH-357 Atty, may even be better for ya,,,just my 2c
 
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