Plastic Bottles & E-Liquid
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I don't know if these work any better than the Amber ones but they sure are Nice to look at.
Cobalt Blue Boston Round Glass Bottle 1 oz w/ Dropper
JSYK. 1oz is about 30ml.
I also have juice that is 2 years old, stored in my shed in plastic bottles. Some have gone bad, as in a bit sour tasting. Those get thrown out. None has ever tasted of plastic. I have enough juice on hand that if a bottle tastes bad, I can afford to throw it out. I would prefer to have all my juice in glass, but I do not have the time nor money to do so.
you can vape all that 2 yr old juice you want bjannr that's in those plastic bottles, I wouldn't vape it if you paid me to do so. and storing it out in that shed in these hot temps where having at 100 degrees just isn't the way to go, you should reconsider where your storing your juice, cool, dark, dry is much MUCH better then that HOT shed in your back yard.
On a second note,
As of today the FDA is banning BPA from all baby bottles, soon BPA will be banned all together from all packaging, Glass is by far the very best way to store any liquids let alone eliquids, those are just the facts, my juice will always be stored in Glass all of it,,, the only plastic I use is the small 6 & 8 ml bottles in my bottom feeder mods, and there all Nalgene bottles which are known to be the best, even at that I wished those could be glass.
http://www.niehs.nih.gov/news/sya/sya-bpa/
@ Zoidman, you got the right ones buddy, I like the Cobalt Blue myself, though Amber is ok and works fine, the Cobalt Blue is purty
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On a second note,
As of today the FDA is banning BPA from all baby bottles, soon BPA will be banned all together from all packaging, Glass is by far the very best way to store any liquids let alone eliquids, those are just the facts, my juice will always be stored in Glass all of it,,, the only plastic I use i the small 6 & 8 ml bottles in my bottom feeder mods, and there all Nalgene bottles which are none to be the best, even at that I wished those could be glass.
@ Zoidman, you got the right ones buddy, I like the Cobalt Blue myself, though Amber is ok and works fine, the Cobalt Blue is purty
I hear you.
The Cobalt Blue ones are Too Cool.
As to he FDA banning BPA from Baby Bottles. Good Deal and Great they Jumped on this Issue So Quickly.
BPA has been know to cause Problems in Humans since the Early 90's.
Nice informative post RedForeman.
This line of yours pretty much sums it up for me: Seriously. I think a round of golf with no sunblock is probably more risky a venture than e-juice bottle contamination.
I don't disagree with that, which is why I wouldn't play a round of golf without sunblock either. See, I've already damaged this old skin enough with all these years of unprotected sun exposure. Similarly, I've already damaged these old lungs enough with many years of smoking, and am now pretty fussy about what I'm putting in my them.
So I choose glass, mainly because there are so many different types of plastic out there, and I don't know enough about them all. Others may choose differently, and that's OK, just want to make sure that they are aware of the issues.
This line of yours pretty much sums it up for me: Seriously. I think a round of golf with no sunblock is probably more risky a venture than e-juice bottle contamination.
I don't disagree with that, which is why I wouldn't play a round of golf without sunblock either. See, I've already damaged this old skin enough with all these years of unprotected sun exposure. Similarly, I've already damaged these old lungs enough with many years of smoking, and am now pretty fussy about what I'm putting in my them.
So I choose glass, mainly because there are so many different types of plastic out there, and I don't know enough about them all. Others may choose differently, and that's OK, just want to make sure that they are aware of the issues.
Ironic topic........isn't that how we ended up wanting to get off analog cigarettes----PLENTY didn't believe they were bad for you (remember them?) Some people quit when the first question of "maybe" was rasied and before there was definitive *proof*..........they were certainly ahead of the game, eh?
Top part is a big mistake, IMHO.
I've transferred my Young Living essential oils to one of these (original packaging was glass bottle with some kind of very hard plastic cap.) I had lavender in the bottle for about 6 months, go to use it today, and it is dripping "black". It's from that rubber on top there! So, change out the caps if you're going to use them.
I'm 100% with MWA. Leaching was a no brainer in BPA baby bottles, for instance, which mimics estrogen. NO thanks. Even without 100% agreement, would you feed it to your infant? Nitratesi in luncheon meats....carcinogenic....slightly or otherwise, I don't eat it anymore.
Look, I'm against regulating everything........but why not at least give us the recyleable codes for these plastic bottles? LIke you can get on tupperware, water bottles, etc. I just want to be an INFORMED customer, and then allowed to make my own decision.
I don 't mind paying more. When I was looking for essential oils (healing, not for burning to make room smell good) I went with YOung Living. A 0.5ml is about $30. People buy cheap stuff, which may just be nice smelling chemicals, not actual organic PLANT oils that have been extracted (correctly.) LET THEM!
I just don't want to.
Once the light goes on, and you decide you don't want to put unhealthy stuff into your body anymore..... why not go 100% with that? IF it's questionable......don't take the risk.
I don't know if these work any better than the Amber ones but they sure are Nice to look at.
Cobalt Blue Boston Round Glass Bottle 1 oz w/ Dropper
JSYK. 1oz is about 30ml.
Top part is a big mistake, IMHO.
I've transferred my Young Living essential oils to one of these (original packaging was glass bottle with some kind of very hard plastic cap.) I had lavender in the bottle for about 6 months, go to use it today, and it is dripping "black". It's from that rubber on top there! So, change out the caps if you're going to use them.
I'm 100% with MWA. Leaching was a no brainer in BPA baby bottles, for instance, which mimics estrogen. NO thanks. Even without 100% agreement, would you feed it to your infant? Nitratesi in luncheon meats....carcinogenic....slightly or otherwise, I don't eat it anymore.
Look, I'm against regulating everything........but why not at least give us the recyleable codes for these plastic bottles? LIke you can get on tupperware, water bottles, etc. I just want to be an INFORMED customer, and then allowed to make my own decision.
I don 't mind paying more. When I was looking for essential oils (healing, not for burning to make room smell good) I went with YOung Living. A 0.5ml is about $30. People buy cheap stuff, which may just be nice smelling chemicals, not actual organic PLANT oils that have been extracted (correctly.) LET THEM!
I just don't want to.
Once the light goes on, and you decide you don't want to put unhealthy stuff into your body anymore..... why not go 100% with that? IF it's questionable......don't take the risk.
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I am probably older than some of you, when plastics came out they were used for garbage bags. That's what I use it for.
Even in the freezeer, put some fresh blueberries in the top brand freezer bag, then put some in pyrex with cover. Let me know in a few months which ones taste better in a smooothie.
I'm always "measuring" things like this.
I haven't had Any problems with Any of my e-Liquids in Dropper Top Bottles from the Retailer I mentioned earlier.
But then again, I Don't use any Oil Based Flavorings.
And just like there are a lot of Different "Plasitics", there are also a lot of Different "Rubber" out there.
I wasn't quite saying this. If I find anything funny with my aged juices, either a sketchy looking bottle or tainted flavor, they'll get tossed. I don't deny the problem exists. OTOH, I'm less worried about invisible, tasteless plastics contamination than I am about summers in the sun 30 years ago and freckles turning into cancer, or a 12oz can of Coke dissolving my stomach lining.
morganmeltz: I LOLd when you said, "I've already damaged these old lungs enough with many years of smoking, and am now pretty fussy about what I'm putting in my them." I'm kind of the opposite in a way. After inhaling that crap as long as I did, just about anything is better.
Funny story. Last visit to my doctor I got the usual "are you still smoking?" question. I told him "not really" and described vaping. He thought about it a minute and grinned. He said something like, "If you're not going to quit doing that, at least it's something less dangerous. Congrats on dropping tobacco, but I'd like to see you work on cutting the nicotine." and moved on.
Incidentally, I just reordered my favorite liquid in a 60ml (instead of 120ml) and added a bunch of new flavors in 10s to try out. For some reason I got the bug to check back in here to get up to speed on equipment after over a year, and I feel like Rip Van Winkle. I also hadn't noticed a lot of new flavors being available.
As I add more little bottles to the collection, I'll likely dispose of some of the oldest, least liked ones to make room. As they are approaching two years old, they aren't worthy of trading. Not that anyone would want them, nor would I want to be blamed for any ill effects.
As I add more little bottles to the collection, I'll likely dispose of some of the oldest, least liked ones to make room. As they are approaching two years old, they aren't worthy of trading. Not that anyone would want them, nor would I want to be blamed for any ill effects.
Reforeman,
I read your post, and the thing that I cant agree with is, all that juice in the plastic bottles is if it's leaching you wont notice it so much when your so use to vaping it, plus once it is heated and going into your lungs its a different story and 1-2yrs isnt much time to be able to notice the long term effects, so what if it takes 5-8 years until you go to the Dr and he tells you the bad news, why even take that chance is my point, just keep it in glass and your way ahead of this game and cant get that bad news down the road that vaping all that juice with the leached plastic in it has caused you the harm it would cause down the road.
Take those plastic bottles that your cinnamon juice is stored in for a year or more and put those bottles under a microscope, and compare them to brand new bottles, I can almost guarantee you the old bottle have been eaten away on the inside and leaching has occurred, especially with cinnamon.
Glass is by far much safer, in fact totally safe, were not drinking this juice where heating it up and putting the vaporized juice into are lungs, vaping isnt 100% safe as is but using products that dont burn and storing out juice properly are 2 keys to a safer vape, cleaner vape, better tasting vape, and not getting any bad news years down the road. Vaping juice that has been leached by plastic only if a little bit but vaping this for say 10yrs could make you pay a big price at that later date, so why even risk it. It's also a known fact that the Cinnamon oils and flavorings use crack tanks badly and has a direct effect on plastics as is, as well as many other ketones used in many different flavorings make plastic leach even in those PET smooth plastic bottles.
---> http://www.ebottles.com/resins.asp
Nalgene bottles are probably the best to use if you have to because of there chemical make up, many of the bottles out there have way to many different resins in them, where the Nalgene are more pure, I would use Nalgene if any at all.
I read your post, and the thing that I cant agree with is, all that juice in the plastic bottles is if it's leaching you wont notice it so much when your so use to vaping it, plus once it is heated and going into your lungs its a different story and 1-2yrs isnt much time to be able to notice the long term effects, so what if it takes 5-8 years until you go to the Dr and he tells you the bad news, why even take that chance is my point, just keep it in glass and your way ahead of this game and cant get that bad news down the road that vaping all that juice with the leached plastic in it has caused you the harm it would cause down the road.
Take those plastic bottles that your cinnamon juice is stored in for a year or more and put those bottles under a microscope, and compare them to brand new bottles, I can almost guarantee you the old bottle have been eaten away on the inside and leaching has occurred, especially with cinnamon.
Glass is by far much safer, in fact totally safe, were not drinking this juice where heating it up and putting the vaporized juice into are lungs, vaping isnt 100% safe as is but using products that dont burn and storing out juice properly are 2 keys to a safer vape, cleaner vape, better tasting vape, and not getting any bad news years down the road. Vaping juice that has been leached by plastic only if a little bit but vaping this for say 10yrs could make you pay a big price at that later date, so why even risk it. It's also a known fact that the Cinnamon oils and flavorings use crack tanks badly and has a direct effect on plastics as is, as well as many other ketones used in many different flavorings make plastic leach even in those PET smooth plastic bottles.
---> http://www.ebottles.com/resins.asp
Nalgene bottles are probably the best to use if you have to because of there chemical make up, many of the bottles out there have way to many different resins in them, where the Nalgene are more pure, I would use Nalgene if any at all.
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My statement's below on this post are in the MWA = "" Qotations """ ONLY the rest is by RedForeman
Interesting thread. Thanks to many for keeping it alive.
I am now considering buying some glass for longer term and bigger volume storage. The main consideration being preservation of the product inside. I'll likely get a small collection of 30ml/1oz amber bottles with regular caps. Here's my (turns out, long-winded) 2¢ on the concerns already noted:
Seems a few folks have verified problems with their older plastic containers. Either giving the liquid a taint (less than ideal taste) or rendering it useless. A few mentioned a plastic taste - an obvious container problem. Like everyone else that saw this thread, I checked my older bottles out LOL.
I am an unusual use case, sort of timely (pun intended) for this discussion. One, I have been using one vendor exclusively for about a year and a half. Two, I haven't bought any small containers (except for 10ml bottles that are used for transfer, getting tossed in about a month when the child-resistant lids strip) since about Nov 2010. Yeah, boring I am. Short version: I found my favorite and gave up on trying new stuff about that time. About every 6-8 wks I order 120ml of my fave, use it up, then toss the empty. The unloved bottles that live in my juice box are all 1.5 - 2 years old. No cloves, but there are two cinnamon bottles in there. The box itself is a small cardboard gift box. Nothing fancy. It has a slight scent to it, nothing that remarkable. It's not very carefully stored in a cool spot (room temp) and out of direct sunlight.
MWA = """ Trust me when I tell ya that 1.5-2yr old juice is no where near as good as a fresher juice and probably Bad and taste no where near good, dont vape it,,,, and storing at room temp is not as good as storing in a cool dry place, these are proven facts, with the Fridge in my opinion being even better, but this type of storing technique your using RedForman is not the best you use. How your storing and the juice going from cool in the winter to hot in the summer and changing temps for this long is not the optimum storage technique.''''
The relevant fact here is that 80% of my old stuff is in the same packaging from my "go-to" vendor. Either 3, 30, 60, or 120ml HDPE #2 (smooth, translucent clear) or 10ml PETE #1 (smooth, transparent clear). When I first ordered from them even the 10ml bottles were HDPE. I don't remember when they switched - probably around Sept '10. None of those bottles have any signs of trouble. The HDPE bottles are all smooth and have none of the rippled appearance reported by others. The PETE clear ones are not soft or show any signs of deterioration. None have any plasticky scent.
MWA = '''' The Real Relevant FACT is = Signs in many bottles will only show up under a microscope, and doing certain testing, it's not always caught by the eye. I would love to see pictures of these bottles, pics like I took earlier in this thread in a dark room with the bottles up to a light. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with them the flavors your using may not be hurting the plastic to bad, that's a possibility, but I would just like to see them if there 2yrs old and juice has been in them all this time and there is no etching at all in them or no leaching has taken place like you say. I've had first hand experience with over 2 yr old juice in plastic bottles, it would be in my trash can let alone I would NEVER vape it.,,,,,,,,Straight up Nic is a whole different story ( actually it's not all mine is in glass and in the freezer ), but mixed juice is a different animal . Let me ask you something RedForman, do you use ketchup and mustard that is 2yrs old or older ? like even if it is kept in your refrigerator would you still put this ketchup on a nice fat cheeseburger or french fries ? Foods as do liquids have a shelf life and its not because of the Nicotine in the juice it is because of the PG/VG/ and flavorings and other additives used to make e-liquid, PG I believe has a shelf life of 2yrs max, and VG I believe has a shelf life of 1.5yrs, and flavorings I think even less then PG & VG """"
Next to the little box also sits one 120ml bottle of my fave dated 6/5/12. About due to reorder that one LOL. Next to it are two partial, but big, oldies. A 120ml (about 90ml remaining) of an orange flavor from 1/4/11 and a 60ml (about 35ml remaining) of vanilla dated 12/3/10. For what it's worth, those two old liquids are nearly black in color. When new the vanilla was a clear brown and the orange.. well clear orange. Today they have the same, unblemished, non-stinky condition as the little old bottles. Oh yeah, most are high nic - 36mg with a few lesser ones sprinkled in.
MWA = """" Throw those in the trash ASAP,,, the black e-liquid is clearly BAD, or rancid at this point. If you don think so then I don't know what your thinking wanting to vape black juice. Since you stated that you don't try other juices since you've found your holy grail and only vape these juices is it possible maybe you just like these flavors so much you don't notice it compared to fresh juice ? """"
So what. Well, I recently got the urge to see what's new in hardware. I bought a couple 2Ω Vision clearomizers to try out on my eGo. Awesome improvement over my last try with CE4 cartos when they came out, but I digress. I filled one and use it with my fave. The other has had about four different oldies but goodies cycled thru it. Mostly fruit flavors. They are strong tasting and not as sweet as they were when younger. Nothing I'd toss out. Well, not yet anyway. Point is, the flavor of the vape has no hint of plastic. If the Visions hold up I will be buying more and using up some of my old juices.
MWA = """ Just because it doent have a hint of plastic doesnt mean its not in it, and again juice's do have a shelf life, 2yrs is not the shelf life to all juice, in fact none in my opinion would I ever vape thats 2yrs old, even 1.5year old juice I wont vape, especially juice that has turned black when it was clear at purchase RedForeman, 2yr old juice is BAD Juice, why would you ever want to believe this is worthy of vaping ? it's jut not. Again would you use ketchup that was this old ? """
A move to glass will be for protecting the liquid, with the amber color to hopefully shield or reduce oxidation. Not to beat a dead horse, but I'm not doing this out of fear of toxic plastic contamination. I've probably chewed on enough ball point pen caps and whatnot to make a run at some of the cancer points from 30 years of cigarette smoking. Seriously. I think a round of golf with no sunblock is probably more risky a venture than e-juice bottle contamination. I've watched Coca Cola dissolve the tarnish off a penny. I rode around in pickup trucks unrestrained as a child. Ran with scissors while at the swimming pool.
MWA = """ Sound like you live on the wild side and enjoy pushing the envelope to me
MWA = "" Well, we all have choices, and choices are super,,, but to have an arsenal of 1.5-2yr old juice and be vaping it, and vaping black juice that was once clear, is not a choice many would make if you took an ECF poll, just no way is this a popular thing to be doing, I believe your earlier statement of = " I am an unusual use case, sort of timely (pun intended) for this discussion. " you sure are, as most wouldnt agree with storing there juice your way, or vaping 1.5-2yr old, and Black juice, God bless ya"""
If one or three of those old bottles get sour before I buy glass, I'm not going to be hurt too much.
MWA = """ Really ? I would beg to differ with this statement,,, in fact I would like to ask Kurt our ECF Chemist and maybe a Dr or Three, what the cae would be if someone vaped a few bottles of BAD JUICE that was sour and just bad,,, my dime says it would make one sick as a dog with a 1000 Ticks sucking its blood on a hot summer day. """
MWA = "" how much 2yr old juice have you vaped RedForman ? and why would you ever want to even vape it being that old, if you dont think the plastic is that big of a deal do to leaching 2yr old plastic bottles, then maybe just spray paint the plastic bottles Black, or tape them with duct tape so no light can get at them, wouldnt that suffice to not let light get into the bottle ? this would maybe save you a couple of bucs too, man I have heard of cheap but this takes the cake. ""
P.S: The Jan '11 Orange Creamsicle is actually pretty tasty. I've gone thru a half a tank of it while writing this post on and off.
MWA = "" Really now, lets see, 17-18 month old juice stored in plastic HDPE bottles and its actually pretty good huh,,,, I beg to differ with this one as well. I would love to take some of that juice and also a brand new bottle of the same juice and let an ECF Vet compare the two and see which he says is actually pretty good and which he says sucks.! ""
MWA = "" There is NO WAY that 1/11 which is 17-18 month old juice is anywhere nearly as good as fresh juice, not even close,,, I beg to differ with you on your statements, not to pic a fight or anything but I'm going on 3yrs of vaping, and have tested many a juices and storing juice test, seeing there changes from clear, to steeping, to 3 months old, 6 months old, 9 months old, and older,to turning black, to going sour, your of a rare breed enjoying 17-18 month old juice RedForman, there is no doubt in my mind about this.""
My statement's above on this post are in the = MWA = "" Qotations """ ONLY the rest is by RedForeman
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MWA your points (and those of others) are well thought out and not being disputed by me. You're much more concerned about many details that I am not as concerned about. You made your point the first time and don't need to convert me. I get it, and happen to agree with much of it. Just not as strongly as you do.
The motive behind my post was simply a statement that maybe the sky isn't falling. And to share my experience with people that haven't been vaping long enough to even own juice older than a few months. The collection of old juice I have is certainly not in optimum condition. It's well known and I agree that: the ideal age for this stuff is a window of time between a week or two old and a few months old. A lot of the old stuff I have will end up getting disposed of. With your bringing the topic up, I will certainly examine old bottles for defects before I use any. Not with a microscope though.
Fact is, I never really over bought my juice supply, or am deliberately aging this stuff to win some sort of debate with you. I went through a lot of purchases and some just didn't work out for one reason or another. I experimented with mixing in mega cartos at one point. Vanilla used to appeal to me more than it does today. And so on. I think I stated that I would never trade anything really old. To clarify, anything I have longer than 3-4 months will either get vaped by me or poured in the toilet. If the bottle looks off, if it tastes sour or makes me feel bad, I'm not going to keep using it because it's there. If I gave the impression that it's ok to use this stuff regardless of age, I apologize for that. However, there isn't a firm expiration date. Some, like you, will go to great lengths to either preserve or rotate their juice inventory. Others, like me, not so much.
To presume I'm using that older juice because I'm cheap (ok "thrifty," not to offend anyone else that is LOL) is a mistake as well. Lazy is probably more accurate. I'll pick up an old juice and use it for a day before I'll take the initiative to shop and order more new stuff. At the same time, I'm definitely not a compulsive shopper and never will be. I can be cheap with some things, but not all things. When I do buy juice it's either because I'm almost out of my current favorite or I want to try something different. Or both. Budget never stopped me from buying cigarettes, and it certainly isn't holding me back with vaping supplies.
I don't doubt you're going to see something about the negative health effects of vaping at some time. I'm sure at some point in the future, people will be getting checked into hospitals with some sort of ailment related to vaping. It might be the plastic bottles. It might be the liquid base or flavoring. Maybe the nicotine extract. Maybe even the ink on the bottle labels. Not if, but when.
So there you go. Not a point by point rebuttal, but addresses a few things I either disagree with or feel you didn't quite get from my earlier post.
The motive behind my post was simply a statement that maybe the sky isn't falling. And to share my experience with people that haven't been vaping long enough to even own juice older than a few months. The collection of old juice I have is certainly not in optimum condition. It's well known and I agree that: the ideal age for this stuff is a window of time between a week or two old and a few months old. A lot of the old stuff I have will end up getting disposed of. With your bringing the topic up, I will certainly examine old bottles for defects before I use any. Not with a microscope though.
Fact is, I never really over bought my juice supply, or am deliberately aging this stuff to win some sort of debate with you. I went through a lot of purchases and some just didn't work out for one reason or another. I experimented with mixing in mega cartos at one point. Vanilla used to appeal to me more than it does today. And so on. I think I stated that I would never trade anything really old. To clarify, anything I have longer than 3-4 months will either get vaped by me or poured in the toilet. If the bottle looks off, if it tastes sour or makes me feel bad, I'm not going to keep using it because it's there. If I gave the impression that it's ok to use this stuff regardless of age, I apologize for that. However, there isn't a firm expiration date. Some, like you, will go to great lengths to either preserve or rotate their juice inventory. Others, like me, not so much.
To presume I'm using that older juice because I'm cheap (ok "thrifty," not to offend anyone else that is LOL) is a mistake as well. Lazy is probably more accurate. I'll pick up an old juice and use it for a day before I'll take the initiative to shop and order more new stuff. At the same time, I'm definitely not a compulsive shopper and never will be. I can be cheap with some things, but not all things. When I do buy juice it's either because I'm almost out of my current favorite or I want to try something different. Or both. Budget never stopped me from buying cigarettes, and it certainly isn't holding me back with vaping supplies.
I don't doubt you're going to see something about the negative health effects of vaping at some time. I'm sure at some point in the future, people will be getting checked into hospitals with some sort of ailment related to vaping. It might be the plastic bottles. It might be the liquid base or flavoring. Maybe the nicotine extract. Maybe even the ink on the bottle labels. Not if, but when.
So there you go. Not a point by point rebuttal, but addresses a few things I either disagree with or feel you didn't quite get from my earlier post.
@ RedForeman,
I'm glad you agree, and are on board !
Some new studies are being done on vaping with some great results, the link below is an update on some testing that has been completed to date, you might want to check it out some interesting findings. I hope they do some testing on plastic bottles vs Glass soon as well.
Latest Studies Confirm E-Cigarette Vapor Safety
I'm glad you agree, and are on board !
Some new studies are being done on vaping with some great results, the link below is an update on some testing that has been completed to date, you might want to check it out some interesting findings. I hope they do some testing on plastic bottles vs Glass soon as well.
Latest Studies Confirm E-Cigarette Vapor Safety
As a new vaper I don't have a lot of time with my liquid sitting, so I couldn't fairly attest to the theory of decomposition or leeching of the plastic into my liquid. We carry several types of plastic bottle and enclosures at my work, so out of curiosity, I took a look through our inventory and checked out a few different types that we carry. It seems that all of the HDPE and PET bottles that we carry have a more crystal clear finish inside and out, while the LDPE bottles all seem to be "foggy" and very similar to the pictures shown near the middle of this thread. I also looked through the few juice bottles that I have here, the oldest being about 6 weeks and the newest being less than 3 days old. To be honest, I could see no difference in the finish inside or out, and upon a glance at the base of the bottle, all are LDPE.
It also happens that we sell cobalt glass bottles that I can pick up for about .20 each with glass droppers, and being a sucker for blue- I bought 12 to have on hand so that I could use them for my liquids. Every bottle I have received (except the oldest, which I never cared for and have never bothered to put in glass) has been immediately put into these bottles.
My vendor mixes each bottle to order and I receive no later than 3 days after ordering. I use fruit flavors like apple and strawberry, but also straight menthol with no other flavors added. 72 hours in the plastic and the inside finish looks the same as my oldest, and even what I would say identical to the new bottles I pulled out of inventory at work.
As far as taste goes, I am no "seasoned" vaper and cannot detect any plastic taste in the old liquid, but I have also found taste to be very subjective and a difficult point to argue in any regard (i.e. "this juice is amazing!" Where the next vaper will despise it). Aside from that, I can pretty much guarantee that the base chemicals used in anyone's favorite juice are filled, transported and removed from a 55-gallon HDPE drum, less the flavoring...... Perhaps.
While I don't discount the ability of certain chemicals to affect the composition of poly materials, I personally don't see any difference that is discernible to my noob eyes. In the end, I will still transfer my liquids to glass, but will not allow fear to dictate my choice in vendors or the decision I have made to quit smoking.
I respect and admire the veterans in this forum, but just thought I could offer a little insight in the form of my humble opinion.
It also happens that we sell cobalt glass bottles that I can pick up for about .20 each with glass droppers, and being a sucker for blue- I bought 12 to have on hand so that I could use them for my liquids. Every bottle I have received (except the oldest, which I never cared for and have never bothered to put in glass) has been immediately put into these bottles.
My vendor mixes each bottle to order and I receive no later than 3 days after ordering. I use fruit flavors like apple and strawberry, but also straight menthol with no other flavors added. 72 hours in the plastic and the inside finish looks the same as my oldest, and even what I would say identical to the new bottles I pulled out of inventory at work.
As far as taste goes, I am no "seasoned" vaper and cannot detect any plastic taste in the old liquid, but I have also found taste to be very subjective and a difficult point to argue in any regard (i.e. "this juice is amazing!" Where the next vaper will despise it). Aside from that, I can pretty much guarantee that the base chemicals used in anyone's favorite juice are filled, transported and removed from a 55-gallon HDPE drum, less the flavoring...... Perhaps.
While I don't discount the ability of certain chemicals to affect the composition of poly materials, I personally don't see any difference that is discernible to my noob eyes. In the end, I will still transfer my liquids to glass, but will not allow fear to dictate my choice in vendors or the decision I have made to quit smoking.
I respect and admire the veterans in this forum, but just thought I could offer a little insight in the form of my humble opinion.
Very good point, Smokie. We need to keep things in perspective: we are choosing to inhale stuff into our lungs. Although it is not smoke, lungs are made purely to absorb oxygen. No matter how organic and pure your juice may be, we are still doing this because we chose our poison. I think the plastic bottles have very little effect on the health risks here. If it bothers you, just transfer it into a glass bottle you purchase yourself. I spend a lot of cash on liquids and accessories as it is. The last thing I want is to pay more for my juice because we as a community are worried about plastic containers and potential risks that may or may not exist.
Great thread I'll throw in my 2 cents here.
I have tons of plastic bottles containing liquids and flavored juices. Now I'm reconsidering for future purchases.
All 12 or so of my glass bottles with dropper tops that have any type of liquid in have developed leaking tops...
Is that to say the dropper tops might be disintegrating and causing liquid to come out the top when I shake the bottle? No sure. I'm throwing all of those dropper tops away. Some are as much as 7 or 8 months old, some are quite new and have only been holding liquid for a month or so, but I have been shaking the bottles before I vape ...thus the reason some of rubber dropper tops that have been coming in contact with liquid are breaking down?
Or is it an inherent "defect" that there is no proper seal when a dropper is built into a cap? A few contain PG or VG. Some have up to 18 to 24 mg nic flavored juices in them. In any case, it never dawned on me that the liquid coming out of the top through the dropper is because it's disintegrating and therefore particles of the rubber are now in the liquid inside. 
I'm hoping it's just not sealed correctly and allowing juice to come out of the top around the rubber squeeze part and that I haven't been vaping rubber particulates.
As someone else mentioned, however, like they, I've been blindly smoking cigarettes for over 40 years and inhaling thousands of damaging chemicals. Whatever I vape now must be an improvement right?
I was blind but now I see. We're never too old to learn new things or start trying to improve our health.
I like learning something new everyday! So, what I'm taking away from this today is, glass is better than plastic. No etching. No leftover odors when washed and reused. If vendors and ourselves are going to use glass bottles, don't use the dropper top for storage. Just use the dropper to get the liquid out of the bottle to drip into your pv device.
Thanks everyone!
I have tons of plastic bottles containing liquids and flavored juices. Now I'm reconsidering for future purchases.
All 12 or so of my glass bottles with dropper tops that have any type of liquid in have developed leaking tops...
Is that to say the dropper tops might be disintegrating and causing liquid to come out the top when I shake the bottle? No sure. I'm throwing all of those dropper tops away. Some are as much as 7 or 8 months old, some are quite new and have only been holding liquid for a month or so, but I have been shaking the bottles before I vape ...thus the reason some of rubber dropper tops that have been coming in contact with liquid are breaking down?
Or is it an inherent "defect" that there is no proper seal when a dropper is built into a cap? A few contain PG or VG. Some have up to 18 to 24 mg nic flavored juices in them. In any case, it never dawned on me that the liquid coming out of the top through the dropper is because it's disintegrating and therefore particles of the rubber are now in the liquid inside.
I'm hoping it's just not sealed correctly and allowing juice to come out of the top around the rubber squeeze part and that I haven't been vaping rubber particulates.
As someone else mentioned, however, like they, I've been blindly smoking cigarettes for over 40 years and inhaling thousands of damaging chemicals. Whatever I vape now must be an improvement right?
I was blind but now I see. We're never too old to learn new things or start trying to improve our health.
I like learning something new everyday! So, what I'm taking away from this today is, glass is better than plastic. No etching. No leftover odors when washed and reused. If vendors and ourselves are going to use glass bottles, don't use the dropper top for storage. Just use the dropper to get the liquid out of the bottle to drip into your pv device.
Thanks everyone!
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