Please help me troubleshoot

[bmcm2girls]

I am fairly new to this so please forgive my lack of knowledge. But I bought my first ecig a few months back. It was the starter kit of the evod bcc. I loved it initially. Except I didn't get as much of a throat hit or satisfaction (nicotine?) as I had hoped. I had been smoking less than a pack a day of menthol lights prior. And I felt like I was having to use the ecig almost constantly and still not feeling like it was enough. So I increased the nic level. Shortly after getting it, I started having issues with leaking and wet gurgling hits. The battery was overheating (felt hot anyway) and tasted funny. Changing the atomizer maybe briefly resolved the issue (by brief I mean for a few hours). And inhaling hurt/burned. I keep giving up on it/smoking reg cig only for a while. Reading online and trying to change something. Only to keep coming back to the same issues. The biggest one being the burning feeling. I want a throat hit but not what feels like my chest is on fire.
My latest change was to get the aspire bdc bc the third vape shop I went to insisted it was the "best". Cleanest flavor, least issues, etc. I loved it.... Along with the liquids I bought.... For about a day. But after that the same issues come up. I can like the first couple of hits when I change the atomizer (2.1 ohms if that matters). The latest liquids are 18 mg and a 50/50 mix of pg/vg. But overall the burning feeling (pretty intense at times) keeps me from liking it. I've tried various methods of inhaling. Shorter drags. Holding it in my mouth a bit first. But the instant I inhale it feels on fire.
I'm not sure what the issue is. Part of me wonders if I should try vg only. But then I read that isn't good for the device. That is one thing I haven't tried though. Although a vaping friend tried mine and had the same issue I do. Although neither of us have the same issue on hers (also a evo). Should I back down the nic level? I have no idea what else to try. Any thoughts are appreciated.

 

[Baditude]

Sorry, but my eyes are not what they used to be and I refuse to try to read a wall of text.

I see that this is your first ECF post. (Welcome BTW ) Perhaps on subsequent posts you can post a question in paragraph style that is easier to read.

 

[tayone415]

I am fairly new to this so please forgive my lack of knowledge. But I bought my first ecig a few months back. It was the starter kit of the evod bcc. I loved it initially. Except I didn't get as much of a throat hit or satisfaction (nicotine?) as I had hoped. I had been smoking less than a pack a day of menthol lights prior. And I felt like I was having to use the ecig almost constantly and still not feeling like it was enough. So I increased the nic level. Shortly after getting it, I started having issues with leaking and wet gurgling hits. The battery was overheating (felt hot anyway) and tasted funny. Changing the atomizer maybe briefly resolved the issue (by brief I mean for a few hours). And inhaling hurt/burned. I keep giving up on it/smoking reg cig only for a while. Reading online and trying to change something. Only to keep coming back to the same issues. The biggest one being the burning feeling. I want a throat hit but not what feels like my chest is on fire.
My latest change was to get the aspire bdc bc the third vape shop I went to insisted it was the "best". Cleanest flavor, least issues, etc. I loved it.... Along with the liquids I bought.... For about a day. But after that the same issues come up. I can like the first couple of hits when I change the atomizer (2.1 ohms if that matters). The latest liquids are 18 mg and a 50/50 mix of pg/vg. But overall the burning feeling (pretty intense at times) keeps me from liking it. I've tried various methods of inhaling. Shorter drags. Holding it in my mouth a bit first. But the instant I inhale it feels on fire.
I'm not sure what the issue is. Part of me wonders if I should try vg only. But then I read that isn't good for the device. That is one thing I haven't tried though. Although a vaping friend tried mine and had the same issue I do. Although neither of us have the same issue on hers (also a evo). Should I back down the nic level? I have no idea what else to try. Any thoughts are appreciated.

PG gives you a throat hit (harshness) where higher VG or all VG is more for flavor and vapor. 18 mg is more nicotine than a pack of lights, it's still considered high nicotine as labeled on certain bottles by manufacturers. More nicotine equals more throat hit. Leaking and gurgling can be caused by over filling and running liquid to low in a bottom feeder tank. Also dual coil tanks, gives better flavor but is a warmer vape with more throat hit. Most people feel vaping as harsher than a cigarette and cough, I use to smoke newports and would choke of a vape in the beginning. VG is a thicker liquid and will kill coils faster especially darker liquids in high or all VG even 50/50. You can also try not inhaling from the center but on the corners of your mouth.

 

[bmcm2girls]

I haven't tried the 12 mg with the dual coil. Maybe that will be better. How much faster will a 50/50 kill the coil? Vape shop said change it every week. But I am not getting nearly that long and that is with not using it frequently. Maybe I will run up and get some 12 mg tomorrow. Thanks for the thoughts!

 

[Susan~S]

What type of battery are you using?

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I am fairly new to this so please forgive my lack of knowledge. But I bought my first ecig a few months back. It was the starter kit of the evod bcc. I loved it initially. Except I didn't get as much of a throat hit or satisfaction (nicotine?) as I had hoped. I had been smoking less than a pack a day of menthol lights prior. And I felt like I was having to use the ecig almost constantly and still not feeling like it was enough. So I increased the nic level. Shortly after getting it, I started having issues with leaking and wet gurgling hits. The battery was overheating (felt hot anyway) and tasted funny. Changing the atomizer maybe briefly resolved the issue (by brief I mean for a few hours). And inhaling hurt/burned. I keep giving up on it/smoking reg cig only for a while. Reading online and trying to change something. Only to keep coming back to the same issues. The biggest one being the burning feeling. I want a throat hit but not what feels like my chest is on fire.
My latest change was to get the aspire bdc bc the third vape shop I went to insisted it was the "best". Cleanest flavor, least issues, etc. I loved it.... Along with the liquids I bought.... For about a day. But after that the same issues come up. I can like the first couple of hits when I change the atomizer (2.1 ohms if that matters). The latest liquids are 18 mg and a 50/50 mix of pg/vg. But overall the burning feeling (pretty intense at times) keeps me from liking it. I've tried various methods of inhaling. Shorter drags. Holding it in my mouth a bit first. But the instant I inhale it feels on fire.
I'm not sure what the issue is. Part of me wonders if I should try vg only. But then I read that isn't good for the device. That is one thing I haven't tried though. Although a vaping friend tried mine and had the same issue I do. Although neither of us have the same issue on hers (also a evo). Should I back down the nic level? I have no idea what else to try. Any thoughts are appreciated.

So I understand what it's like when you don't know where to start when describing something.
I do the same thing; so, I'm gonna give it a shot.
First off; welcome, congrats on taking the first step into a whole new world.
From what I can tell you're using an ego with a nautilus tank.
Great tank. The burning can be coming from having to much voltage for your coil; this is where variable voltage can possibly help.
Or it could be the juice itself causing the burning. The nic level and the pg can cause this; it's usual the nic level; but some people prefer a 60/40 or 70/30. 60vg and 40 pg or 70vg/40pg. If you wet at less than half pack a day you may want to try cutting your nic from 12 to 8. I smoked 2 packs a day and started at 18. Also depending on the juice you could be crying the coil. I've had one juice kill a coil in less than a day. It's rare for it to happen that quickly; but, it's not impossible.
From what I can gather; and, I may be wrong, but if it were me, I would look into a variable voltage device such as an mvp2(40-45 dollars online) to go with that nautilus that you already have. At 2.1 ohm coil I would start at 4V and adjust from there up or down in .1v increments. I would also lower the nic level and try a 60vg/40pg blend. Also you may wanna try staying away from coffee flavors and flavors with seeds like vanillas until you can figure out what is causing the problem. Dark juices like coffees and juices with seed extract like vanillas are the usual culprits behind burning a coil.
Best of luck and I hope some of that helps.
Told you I can ramble too. Lol


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[retic1959]

I am fairly new to this so please forgive my lack of knowledge. But I bought my first ecig a few months back. It was the starter kit of the evod bcc. I loved it initially. Except I didn't get as much of a throat hit or satisfaction (nicotine?) as I had hoped. I had been smoking less than a pack a day of menthol lights prior. And I felt like I was having to use the ecig almost constantly and still not feeling like it was enough. So I increased the nic level. Shortly after getting it, I started having issues with leaking and wet gurgling hits. The battery was overheating (felt hot anyway) and tasted funny. Changing the atomizer maybe briefly resolved the issue (by brief I mean for a few hours). And inhaling hurt/burned. I keep giving up on it/smoking reg cig only for a while. Reading online and trying to change something. Only to keep coming back to the same issues. The biggest one being the burning feeling. I want a throat hit but not what feels like my chest is on fire.
My latest change was to get the aspire bdc bc the third vape shop I went to insisted it was the "best". Cleanest flavor, least issues, etc. I loved it.... Along with the liquids I bought.... For about a day. But after that the same issues come up. I can like the first couple of hits when I change the atomizer (2.1 ohms if that matters). The latest liquids are 18 mg and a 50/50 mix of pg/vg. But overall the burning feeling (pretty intense at times) keeps me from liking it. I've tried various methods of inhaling. Shorter drags. Holding it in my mouth a bit first. But the instant I inhale it feels on fire.
I'm not sure what the issue is. Part of me wonders if I should try vg only. But then I read that isn't good for the device. That is one thing I haven't tried though. Although a vaping friend tried mine and had the same issue I do. Although neither of us have the same issue on hers (also a evo). Should I back down the nic level? I have no idea what else to try. Any thoughts are appreciated.

There are several possibilities here , the most likely one being that it's too much pg for you , I vape 100%VG and I wouldn't concern myself with what's right for the equipment but what's right for you , VG isn't going to wreck your aspire , the aspire was the last clearomiser I used before switching to RBA's and I had no issues whatsoever vaping 100%VG in them . DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO FOR YOUR HEALTH ! You can come here if you have equipment issues and ask for help there's work arounds for most situations , Secondly a lot of juices have ethyl alcohol in them used as a carrier for flavoring , I reccomend that you remove the cap and dripper tip from the bottle for 24-48 hours and shake the bottles well to let any alcohol evaporate off . The last suspect on the list is nicotine if all else fails then try dropping the nicotine content , vapor isn't as efficient as smoke at delivering nicotine to the body that's why I'm suggesting you try other alternatives first before cutting your nicotine content . Lastly the burning you described was exactly how I found out that I was sensitive to pg .

 

[Ryedan]

So I increased the nic level. Shortly after getting it, I started having issues with leaking and wet gurgling hits. The battery was overheating (felt hot anyway) and tasted funny. Changing the atomizer maybe briefly resolved the issue (by brief I mean for a few hours). And inhaling hurt/burned. I keep giving up on it/smoking reg cig only for a while. Reading online and trying to change something. Only to keep coming back to the same issues. The biggest one being the burning feeling. I want a throat hit but not what feels like my chest is on fire.

What battery do you have? If it is variable voltage or wattage try turning the power down and see if things get better.

 

[tayone415]

I haven't tried the 12 mg with the dual coil. Maybe that will be better. How much faster will a 50/50 kill the coil? Vape shop said change it every week. But I am not getting nearly that long and that is with not using it frequently. Maybe I will run up and get some 12 mg tomorrow. Thanks for the thoughts!

50/50 is going to be thinner than then most liquids out there, I've seen higher pg mixtures, but isn't as common, 50/50 will usually help a coil to last longer than something with more or all VG. BUT dark liquids will still kill a coil faster even at 50/50. Another thing some coils just aren't very good, with bad quality control, I've coils DOA and some last hours, days, a week or 2. And higher ohm coils have more resistance (more mouth hit) so you have to suck in harder, but will usually last longer than most lower ohm coils. Honestly out of all the tanks I bought, the best one for coil life was actually a cheaper dual coil plastic tank, it was the iclear 30, not the new version, but with a coil over 2ohms it would last me at least a week or 2, only thing is with plastic you can't use citrus or cinnamon flavors in it. I've tried a (single coil, I think plastic) vivi nova, protank, and nautilus tank, although the pyrex glass is better for taste the coils didn't last long for me most of the time, it's a gamble some people's last a week or more, mine has not. Also single coils especially with lower ohms and even dual with lower ohms at higher voltage or watts will taste burnt if set too high.

 

[bmcm2girls]

I think the battery is 3.7 v based on what I see online as the standard evod starter kit battery. It is not adjustable. Everything I have bought has been at the recommendation of workers at various vape shops. Should I still look into a variable battery?
I don't THINK I am using a dark liquid. Although all the liquids I have tried have become dark once in the tank a few hours. I mainly stick to fruit flavored ones. Although several have been citrus based. Right now I have a local blueberry cheesecake that is 50/50 and 18 mg, juicy vapors pirates brew that is pg 18 mg (a tropical mix flavor), and lush vapors orange sunkissed and skittles flavors that are actually in 12 mg (doesn't say the pg/vg). Although I have tried many others. Would any of these flavors cause it to burn out quicker?
Would a vg only liquid give as much from the nicotine as a blend or pg only would? I am going to try vg only and see if that helps. Not sure if I should do 8 mg or 12.

 

[DavidOck]

I think the battery is 3.7 v based on what I see online as the standard evod starter kit battery. It is not adjustable. Everything I have bought has been at the recommendation of workers at various vape shops. Should I still look into a variable battery?
I don't THINK I am using a dark liquid. Although all the liquids I have tried have become dark once in the tank a few hours. I mainly stick to fruit flavored ones. Although several have been citrus based. Right now I have a local blueberry cheesecake that is 50/50 and 18 mg, juicy vapors pirates brew that is pg 18 mg (a tropical mix flavor), and lush vapors orange sunkissed and skittles flavors that are actually in 12 mg (doesn't say the pg/vg). Although I have tried many others. Would any of these flavors cause it to burn out quicker?
Would a vg only liquid give as much from the nicotine as a blend or pg only would? I am going to try vg only and see if that helps. Not sure if I should do 8 mg or 12.

All your juices start clear and go dark after sitting in the tank a few hours? And are citrus?

Get a glass / pyrex topper. Your juices may be eating away the poly tube. Some do. Some do it almost immediately, some take longer. (Many don't, but citrus is suspect!)

Once the action starts, the tube is pretty much shot, as it will continue to leach into any fresh juice you put in it. Pyrex is impervious.

And yes, a VV or VW battery is a good step. It lets you tailor the vape to the flavor and your tastes. :

 

[on a moose]

I don't THINK I am using a dark liquid. Although all the liquids I have tried have become dark once in the tank a few hours.

This is generally an indication that the coil has burnt residue on it, and needs to be changed. If it's happening that fast, it sounds like it isn't wicking juice fast enough to keep up with your vaping. If you open the coil head by popping the chimney off (it's just press fit, you can easily put it back on), you should see a couple small silica wicks just laying on top of the coil. You can try removing one of these to improve juice flow into the chamber. If it causes flooding, just replace the wick. This can happen with thinner juices, but it's worth a try here.

You can also greatly extend the life of your coil heads with what's called a "clean and dry burn". When I was using tanks that took these coils (Protank 2 and mini Protank 2), I often got a single coil head to last over a month with proper maintenance. This is both a cost savings and a possible performance boost. I found that after a coil was well broken in, it performed better and didn't flood.

I'll quickly outline how to do this, and then give you a link to a Youtube clip related to it.

1. Disassemble the tank so that you have the removed coil head in hand.
2. Remove the chimney and its O ring.
3. Carefully remove the two "flavour wicks" that sit on the coil. A needle is useful for this. If they're stuck to the coil with burnt juice, drop a little water on there to loosen them up.
4. Put all the parts in a small dish of water, and let them soak for a minute. You can agitate them to speed up the process.
5. Remove the base (the part with the actual coil in it) from the dish, blot it dry with a paper towel, and put it back in the tank base.
6. Put the tank base with the rinsed coil on your battery. You do not want the chimney on it at this point, as you want to be able to see the coil.
7. Give it a few pulses of 1-2 seconds, just enough that the coil lights up. A little smoke is normal as it burns the juice residue off the coil.
8. When pulsing the battery results in an even glow without smoke, let it cool a moment, then reinstall the rinsed flavour wick(s), put the chimney back on, followed by the silicone O ring.
9. Finally, reassemble the tank with juice and give it a few minutes to wick the juice into the chamber. You can give it a slight shake to speed this up, and/or take a few puffs on it without firing the battery to "prime" it.

It looks like a lot more work than it is. When I was using these coils I did this between every couple of tank refills, or once every other day, depending how much I used it. Here's a clip showing much the same process: How to clean your Kanger Protank Coil - YouTube

One other thing to consider, since I see you mentioned citrus flavours, is the possibility that some of your juice is interacting with the plastic tank. This can lead to "tank cracking/clouding" and is not a good thing. Some flavours can leech chemicals from the plastic, which ruin the taste as well as being very probably unhealthy to inhale. It would be a good and inexpensive upgrade to get a glass tank, such as a Protank 2, Aerotank, or one of the mini versions thereof. I'm of the school of thought that we shouldn't use plastic tanks at all, knowing this vulnerability they have, when glass ones are abundantly and cheaply available.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I think the battery is 3.7 v based on what I see online as the standard evod starter kit battery. It is not adjustable. Everything I have bought has been at the recommendation of workers at various vape shops. Should I still look into a variable battery?
I don't THINK I am using a dark liquid. Although all the liquids I have tried have become dark once in the tank a few hours. I mainly stick to fruit flavored ones. Although several have been citrus based. Right now I have a local blueberry cheesecake that is 50/50 and 18 mg, juicy vapors pirates brew that is pg 18 mg (a tropical mix flavor), and lush vapors orange sunkissed and skittles flavors that are actually in 12 mg (doesn't say the pg/vg). Although I have tried many others. Would any of these flavors cause it to burn out quicker?
Would a vg only liquid give as much from the nicotine as a blend or pg only would? I am going to try vg only and see if that helps. Not sure if I should do 8 mg or 12.

To the question of getting a variable voltage unit- yes! If you are going to stick with vaping it is a great investment and a great way to tailor your experience. I would suggest the mvp2.0- 40 dollars(ish) and it'll last you a long time, very durable and gives you variable voltage and wattage with huge battery capacity and zero voltage drop throughout the day. Much more durable than the ego style "spinner" ones and the price is great for what you are getting. To your question about lowering the nic. Rectic; brought ups thought that maybe you are sensatice to pg. you may wanna try getting 10ml of 12nic at 100%vg and 10 mil of 08nic at 50/50 to see which one works better for you. I would in addition change the coil in you nautilus.
I suspect it's not the tank though; that tank is one of the best tank systems available without getting into rebuildables.

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[mistike]

You say you don't have this problem with your friend's setup. Have you tried the same juice with her setup as you do with yours ? If yes, maybe your battery is defective ? Do you have the same problem with the spare one (evods come by two in the kit) ?

Maybe you should buy a new battery - they're as cheap as a new clearo and you can always use a backup anyway. Try replicating your friend's setup.

 

[Stockl]

What battery do you have? If it is variable voltage or wattage try turning the power down and see if things get better.

 

[tayone415]

I think the battery is 3.7 v based on what I see online as the standard evod starter kit battery. It is not adjustable. Everything I have bought has been at the recommendation of workers at various vape shops. Should I still look into a variable battery?
I don't THINK I am using a dark liquid. Although all the liquids I have tried have become dark once in the tank a few hours. I mainly stick to fruit flavored ones. Although several have been citrus based. Right now I have a local blueberry cheesecake that is 50/50 and 18 mg, juicy vapors pirates brew that is pg 18 mg (a tropical mix flavor), and lush vapors orange sunkissed and skittles flavors that are actually in 12 mg (doesn't say the pg/vg). Although I have tried many others. Would any of these flavors cause it to burn out quicker?
Would a vg only liquid give as much from the nicotine as a blend or pg only would? I am going to try vg only and see if that helps. Not sure if I should do 8 mg or 12.

Ok, so if your tanks are plastic, citrus has been know to crack plastic tanks, I've had one crack before because I didn't know at the time and wasn't told by the shop. Dark liquid for example is vanilla, chocolate, coffee and certain desert flavors etc. Fruit flavors usually are lighter liquids in color and normally won't kill a coil as fast unless it's a thick VG blend. VG is going to be thicker and sweeter, but won't have as much as a throat hit than a PG mixture or pure PG. As far buying what's recommended by a shop employees isn't always the best idea, some people who work at shops don't know what they're talking about, and some are great at what they do, but everyone has their own preference. If you're determined to quit smoking and are sure vaping is the way you're going to quit, variable voltage is nicer, since you can adjust your vapor production, and heat of your vapor and adding throat hit, but the higher the voltage, the more juice burned, same with a dual coil tank, more so with the combination of a VV. There are different types of VV devices, since your just starting off and want to try one I would suggest one that you have more control over, that you can adjust by 0.1 increments with a pass through so you can vape while your battery is plugged in charging.

 

[brianwert93]

perhaps your juices are more VG than PG or maybe it's just some bad luck with the atomizers. try dual coil and grab some in bulk, I know my local shops sell 5 packs of little bottom fed tanks that don't leak and work very well, pretty sure they're iClears. i too, felt the throaty hits and it burned at first but you get used to it. I hope you find the information you need here and this misfortune doesn't turn you off to vaping. it's a wonderful thing.