PMTA enforcement..

[Butters78]

Ok so let’s say it’s Thursday morning September 10, 2020. What type of enforcement do you think we will see across the country to our local vape shops and online retailers? Will there be vehicles with FDA printed on the side speed into their parking lots ,screeching their breaks, and men in black suits running into them with large trash bags shoving products in them?

Well I know it won’t be that extreme. I’m just curious how it will all be enforced. Will the shop owners who have no idea what pmta is still operate until the fda sends them a letter to stop? How do you guys think the enforcement part of things will play out?

 

[zoiDman]

 

[ENAUD]

They tend to send warning letters first, then issue fines, then gradually escalate if the violators keep resisting.
Here's a vid showing how they deal with dangerous sellers of organic food/raw milk, I don't expect they will be any more honest and forthcoming when they start to deal with the vape industry, they are bureaucrats...I have other words for them, but would rather just stay in my happy place nowadays.

 

[Butters78]

Man that’s insane. So much for freedom.

 

[SupplyDaddy]

I fully expect both locations for Thanks for Vaping here in SA will have multiple LEO vehicles screeching into their parking lots, heavily armed men and women, most in blue jeans, with fully automatic, real military grade weapons, jumping out and rushing the doors, demanding everyone onto the floors, cameras getting smashed, and, since this is Texas, at least one patron will be armed and will start a fire fight.

Hopefully, I'm not in either store at that moment so I won't be that armed patron...
Hell. I don't even know if T4V is still operating... I make all my own ....

 

[vaper1960]

Man that’s insane. So much for freedom.

Some people say I'm crazy... I say "compared to what?"
Freedom... that's just an illusion (but please stay free in your own mind... don't let "them" take that from you )

 

[vaper1960]

Oh yea... maybe they just swoop you up and send you to "GITMO" (maybe I should call it a night folks... this all getting to me)

 

[ENAUD]

Man that’s insane. So much for freedom.

We are only allowed the "illusion" of freedom in these times, really, it's been that way for a long time now, folks are starting to wake up though...

 

[sonicbomb]

America, land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy.

 

[barkfunklerbunk]

 

[MLEJ]

It'll be "interesting" to say the least.
i've a pod kit only ever used for CBD; never a drop of nicotine in it. It's surely been deemed a tobacco product, though. If i order replacement pods from overseas, might they be seized? Would a shop be able to sell them "for cannibals derivative use only" or something like that?
Guessing things will be FUBAR from the get-go but one thing we can know for sure is that, when it comes to protecting their revenue, governments enforce with vigor.

 

[Mowgli]

Remember about 5 years ago we were frustrated with stoners asking us "can you smoke weed in those?" Soon we'll be asking them about their pens: how many volts/watts will that put out? normal 510 connector right? what's the resistance range? How many amps can it handle? etc

 

[stols001]

Sniff. I am not using dope equipment to vape my e-liquid. I was kind of surprised I did not see more "closure" sales yet, or "We are closing" notifications, but like I guess there is still time.

I wonder what happens (I'm not going to try it) If you buy a mod on the 8th but it doesn't get shipped until the 10th.

There are so many shops ,I can't see stormtroopers at every location but the FDA does seem to be being totally opaque about the whole thing, maybe the vape shops are hoping for another stay of execution, who knows?

Anna

 

[the wind]

not a peep yet from any local vape shops or the local news.i need make sure,maybe i could find a dna 250c for 10 bucks.

 

[Vapemesilly]

Here in Reno, the local shops are doing business as usual, acting like everything is okey dokey. I asked the owner of one of the shops what his plan was. He was convinced the deadline would get pushed back another year.

 

[tom65]

I am not a lawyer, but I think the people who got marijuana legalized in their states were pretty smart. It may be federally illegal, but the feds do not have enough manpower to actually enforce laws -- they rely on local LE to do alot of it. But local LE has less incentive to enforce federal laws that conflict with state/local laws. Plus doing big busts in legalized states is not something the feds are prepared to do.

Unfortunately, the anti-vaping forces have sold their vision of vaping being dangerous and "coming for you kids" to a majority of the public. I don't believe we have enough people to pull something like the legalized marijuana people did (yet).

 

[Territoo]

 

[Myrany]

EVALI + COVID did in all our local vape shops early this year. I can say of the 3 only 1 owner was really aware of what was happening with regulation and he did not make his employees or customers aware. He had a little "talk" with me because he didn't want me coming in there with CASAA info on what was coming any more.

Head in the sand I do not think is accurate in many cases. Total ignorance for the average vaper (we on ECF are not average). Deliberately suppressing the information on the parts of many owners. That is probably more accurate. Had we not had EVALI and COVID I know that one shop intended to keep selling until the Feds shut them down.

 

[Seiggy]

I'm just wondering what the legal side of B&M stores have as for things like loans, rent, etc. If they close shop based on their own decision is one thing. Still liable for debt I would think. However, if you remain open and the authorities shut you down (remove your ability to conduct business) would a B&M be exempt from paying for unused leases, loans, etc. Just thinking out loud...

 

[Territoo]

I'm just wondering what the legal side of B&M stores have as for things like loans, rent, etc. If they close shop based on their own decision is one thing. Still liable for debt I would think. However, if you remain open and the authorities shut you down (remove your ability to conduct business) would a B&M be exempt from paying for unused leases, loans, etc. Just thinking out loud...

My guess is they are still liable. Business interruption insurance might (or might not) cover. But who knows?