Poldiac Clone

[the4thpower3]

I just received my Asmart (or even maybe Infinite) Poldiac clone from VapeRoyalty.
It's more of a clone than the one on fasttech (judging by pics - I don't have one).
I don't own a real Poldiac either but I've seen enough videos - this Asmart Poldiac is not an exact 1:1 clone - but it's damn close.
And it comes with an 18350 tube, pants and an 18500 (kick) extension.
The threading is decent but I had to clean them up a bit.
The polish looked decent too, but I prefer my devices brushed (so I brushed it).
The fitment of the shirt is a little loose - so much that you can easily slide it over the button without depressing the button.
I don't care cuz I like it naked. The pants fit fine, but I don't care for them either - just extra useless weight.
It does have silver (or silver plated) 510 and battery contacts - which are adjustable, but they have standard threading unlike the real deal which are reverse threaded. But oddly it has an ugly steel spring in the bottom cap. I promptly removed that and replaced it with a gold plated spring, but then wondered why it needed a spring at all. So I am running it without a spring and just using a small magnet on top of my battery and utilized the top battery adjustment for proper fitment. I'm not even sure why it's designed with a spring. I don't like springs.
The switch is a little finicky. It's relatively light and short, but I have to press it in quite hard to make good full contact (if that makes sense). I think that is a tolerance issue. The top/switch comes apart almost identically to the real Poldiac. The magnet on the button is glued to the back side (plunger portion) of the switch - the other magnet just sits back in the housing without anything to hold it. The cut out in the switch housing for the button is too big - so the switch/button wobbles around a bit.
I don't see any good way to really improve the switch contact - I am getting occasional misfires.
It does not come with the switch bottom setup - to flip the switch to a pinky fire. I don't mind that as I would never use it anyway.
All in all it's decent. I'm not sure why I decided that I wanted it so much as to spend $65 (shipped) on a clone.

Here's a few crappy pics. I'll take more if requested.

 

[Portertown]

Thanks for your thoughts on this mod as I have one that should be here tomorrow. I am getting the stainless steel with brass.
I though the bottom spring was supposed to be silver coated and come with a spare??
One thing I have been told to look out for is to be sure the lock ring that holds the delrin switch assembly is screwed fully in as it uses the same threads as the tube. If it is not fully screwed tight, there will not be enough remaining threads for the tube to screw on securely.

 

[Thrasher]

in the real one the springs are silver plated brass, that way any battery works without too much adjustment, and a mod with a brass spring will drop the spring if there is a short protecting the battery and the user.

with that said I replaced it with the heaver rhodium plated silver springs from the roller

 

[Technonut]

My GF surprised me with one for Christmas, even though I stopped messing with clones awhile back. She actually put a pic of the mod in my Christmas card, and I received it on the 27th. Supposedly, the owner of Vape Royalty sent back his old stock for fixed versions, which this is one of.

I used to own a genuine Cloud Wizard... My clone is all SS, and after some contact cleaning, Noalox, and tweaking, I must say I am VERY impressed with the quality and performance for the price. At least my GF did get me the SS version. I would much rather have a SS switch housing and top cap with SS threading than brass.

The pants fit tightly with no spinning, but as mentioned, the shirt is somewhat loose. I'm thinking a different O-ring may help with that. Performance is good.. With a 1.0 ohm coil of AWG 28, I am getting 3.9v under load with a fresh battery.

I do not like the ripped-off logos, but I really don't want to sand them off... My GF wouldn't understand, and would probably think I was ashamed of the mod or something.


I wonder if the rhodium plated contacts from the genuine Poldiac would work in this?

 

[Portertown]

I received my Poldiac clone today from Vaperoyalty. First let me say I have never seen a real original Poldiac, only pictures and videos of them. I got the stainless steel with brass trim rings model.
I have not taken the switch assembly apart so I can not speak to the inside construction of it.
The mod arrived in very good shape with only a slight oily film on it which wiped off easily with a polishing cloth. There were no blems or scratches at all on it. The threads are smooth and the parts screw together good. The threads seem tight and have plenty of engagement length. The 510 positive pin and the pin for the top of the battery appear to be silver coated. However, I am not sure about the spring. I had the understanding it was silver plated brass, but it does not have the gloss to it that the two pins have. I tried to scratch the side of it and my knife will not put a mark on it, so I don't know.
The mod came with the tubes and pants for the 18350 and 18650 and an extension tube that can be added for 18500 or for a Kick.
This is my first side button mechanical mod and it took me a few minutes playing with it to get a good feel for how it was working. The button has to be fully pressed to the bottom of it's throw for it to fire. I guess it has to be that way so the shirt does not fire it when you rotate the shirt to lock it. Like I said, I have not played with an original Poldiac. It may be the same.
The pants fit tight when everything is screwed together and do not rotate. The shirt is a snug fit, but rotates easily to lock the button.
I have only used regulated mods(Evic, VTR, Sid, SVD) up to now and I now see what the rave about mechanical mods is all about.
I took a Kayfun Lite which has a 1.9 ohm coil off of my SID and put it on the Poldiac clone. The vape is entirely different for sure. So much better flavor. I was running the SID at 9.5 watts and this mechanical mod just does so much better than the regulated mod. I think I will be getting more into the mechanicals.
So overall I am very pleased with this purchase and think the money was well spent.

 

[the4thpower3]

in the real one the springs are silver plated brass, that way any battery works without too much adjustment, and a mod with a brass spring will drop the spring if there is a short protecting the battery and the user.

with that said I replaced it with the heaver rhodium plated silver springs from the roller

I went back to the gold plated spring I was using (from the top cap of a Sigelei 19b). It definitely provides more contact that the edges of the cup in the bottom cap.

I wonder if the rhodium plated contacts from the genuine Poldiac would work in this?

You talking about this?
POLDIAC | The "Poldiac" | mmvapors.com

I think that's what I want. The bottom cap cup where the hot spring sits is threaded on this clone - so that may work (if the threads are the same).

Edit: maybe I don't want it that much. It would cost $32.99 shipped from MMV

The contacts for the head (switch portion) won't work because the real Poldiac is reverse threaded - and this clone has standard threads for those contacts (510 and top battery).

 

[Technonut]

I went back to the gold plated spring I was using (from the top cap of a Sigelei 19b). It definitely provides more contact that the edges of the cup in the bottom cap.



You talking about this?
POLDIAC | The "Poldiac" | mmvapors.com

I think that's what I want. The bottom cap cup where the hot spring sits is threaded on this clone - so that may work (if the threads are the same).

Edit: maybe I don't want it that much. It would cost $32.99 shipped from MMV

The contacts for the head (switch portion) won't work because the real Poldiac is reverse threaded - and this clone has standard threads for those contacts (510 and top battery).

I was excited about the rhodium plated contacts, and forgot about the reverse threading. I received the Cloud Wizard awhile back in a trade, and didn't have it long before it moved along for something else. One thing I can say though.. This clone is not as well done as the original, but is worth the cost of admission if one does not mind a counterfeit device. As a gift, I'm happy with it. I found an O-ring from one thing or another which fixed my loose shirt issue. I must admit this clone is nicely done, and performs very well. I may look into stronger magnets down the road, but the switch is pretty smooth, and has been getting better with use.

 

[etchie]

The other magnet just sits back in the housing without anything to hold it.

Are you sure? This is the answer I was searching for but I thought it had to be glued down somehow. So you just glue one on the button (mine fell off) and then try to position the other magnet so it's facing the right way and put the button in?

 

[Portertown]

I was excited about the rhodium plated contacts, and forgot about the reverse threading. I received the Cloud Wizard awhile back in a trade, and didn't have it long before it moved along for something else. One thing I can say though.. This clone is not as well done as the original, but is worth the cost of admission if one does not mind a counterfeit device. As a gift, I'm happy with it. I found an O-ring from one thing or another which fixed my loose shirt issue. I must admit this clone is nicely done, and performs very well. I may look into stronger magnets down the road, but the switch is pretty smooth, and has been getting better with use.

Check these parts out. I think they may work in this clone we have.

POLDIAC | The "Poldiac" | mmvapors.com

The 510 positive pin and battery contact pin are not reverse threaded on the clone like the original Poldiac. BUT this kit not only gives you the reverse threaded pins, it also gives you the "double screws" the pins screw into. So the question is will double screws work in the clone? I have not taken the double screws out of mine yet to check. There is a video on the site this link is from that shows the original Poldiac being disassembled. I will watch it to see what male threads are on the double screws. The enlarged view on the link page looks like the male threads on the double screw is right hand threads.
If these double screws will work in the clone this kit may be worth the 20 Euro price as it also comes with the contact rod, pole spring and pole plate. These are the Rhodium over Silver plated Brass parts.
I think the final real question may be are the sizes of these parts the same sizes as the clone parts. It may be worth measuring all these parts on the clone and contacting Metal Madness Vapors to see what the sizes are on the original Poldiac parts. They also have magnets that may be the right size. If this kit would work it would make this clone very, very close to the real thing.
Check this out and see what you think.

 

[the4thpower3]

Check these parts out. I think they may work in this clone we have.

POLDIAC | The "Poldiac" | mmvapors.com

The 510 positive pin and battery contact pin are not reverse threaded on the clone like the original Poldiac. BUT this kit not only gives you the reverse threaded pins, it also gives you the "double screws" the pins screw into. So the question is will double screws work in the clone? I have not taken the double screws out of mine yet to check. There is a video on the site this link is from that shows the original Poldiac being disassembled. I will watch it to see what male threads are on the double screws. The enlarged view on the link page looks like the male threads on the double screw is right hand threads.
If these double screws will work in the clone this kit may be worth the 20 Euro price as it also comes with the contact rod, pole spring and pole plate. These are the Rhodium over Silver plated Brass parts.
I think the final real question may be are the sizes of these parts the same sizes as the clone parts. It may be worth measuring all these parts on the clone and contacting Metal Madness Vapors to see what the sizes are on the original Poldiac parts. They also have magnets that may be the right size. If this kit would work it would make this clone very, very close to the real thing.
Check this out and see what you think.

That parts kit should work! The threads for the contact posts (the double adjustable screws) are standard threaded. And it includes the pole plate I don't know how I looked over that. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[the4thpower3]

Are you sure? This is the answer I was searching for but I thought it had to be glued down somehow. So you just glue one on the button (mine fell off) and then try to position the other magnet so it's facing the right way and put the button in?

Well, the back one on mine just fell out when I pulled the switch apart.
The real Poldiac doesn't use anything to hold that magnet in place either.
When I went to reassemble mine, the magnet on the back of the switch button flew off. I glued that back on.
When I set the "floating" magnet I put the inner housing in and used yet another magnet on the back of the housing to hold the magnet in place as I put the switch button back on (pretty clever huh?).

 

[Portertown]

That parts kit should work! The threads for the contact posts (the double adjustable screws) are standard threaded. And it includes the pole plate I don't know how I looked over that. Thanks for pointing that out.

I am thinking for the price they are selling this kit for, I may order it and the magnets and take a chance. It may not work, but if it does it would really make this clone sweet and quite a good deal.

 

[the4thpower3]

I am thinking for the price they are selling this kit for, I may order it and the magnets and take a chance. It may not work, but if it does it would really make this clone sweet and quite a good deal.

The only thing I was really interested in was the negative solid pole for better contact than the spring.
But it's just not worth the shipping cost. I think when I went to check out the shipping alone was like $26.11

 

[Portertown]

The only thing I was really interested in was the negative solid pole for better contact than the spring.
But it's just not worth the shipping cost. I think when I went to check out the shipping alone was like $26.11

That is crazy high for shipping those small parts. What would it cost to ship a complete mod???

 

[etchie]

Well, the back one on mine just fell out when I pulled the switch apart.
The real Poldiac doesn't use anything to hold that magnet in place either.
When I went to reassemble mine, the magnet on the back of the switch button flew off. I glued that back on.
When I set the "floating" magnet I put the inner housing in and used yet another magnet on the back of the housing to hold the magnet in place as I put the switch button back on (pretty clever huh?).

That's pretty brilliant actually. I still can't imagine the magnet inside not being stuck to something inside. I'm going to get super glue today and see if I can get this this thing up and running!

 

[the4thpower3]

Well go figure. NOW FastTech has them. Well, just in two-tone, but I'm sure full stainless and full brass will follow.
https://www.fasttech.com/products/1/10006472/1589300-mixed-poldiac-style-mechanical-mod-kit

It's the same box that mine came in. I'm still not 100% on the manufacturer. If you check out suppliers on Alibaba and search Polidiac there are tons of suppliers (tobeco, infinite, reardon, asmart, etc) that show pics of this mod with this box. The box reads DaVapes. So, I dunno.

 

[gdeal]

Had a couple days to play with this Poldiac Clone. Got the VR all SS version as well. I completely agree with your assessment the4thpower3.

Couple of simple mods to improved switch performance..... I put a thin strip of PTFE tape around the button cylinder (except for the area at the contacts guide). This took some of the wobble out and made the button push slight more tactile. The other is change out the magnets. I find the button push too weak. I have these on order.

https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=D41-N52 For the Button Housing
https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=D51-N52 For the Button Cylinder

Bapgood (who has the VR clone as well) installed these and reported good results.

Another change I would like to do, is to have the button extend ~.5mm more out of the body. This will require a precision mod to add ~.5mm more of travel to the delrin contact guide slot (on the magnet side).

I also added PTFE floss to oring on the shirt to take care of the loose fit.

 

[the4thpower3]

Thanks for the insight gdeal.

On another note. It seems that VR is selling 2 different versions - or maybe they ran out of the original batch. Something happened.
I found this guys video on YouTube before I bought it Poldiac clone from Asmart - YouTube.
His box totally different and he says his is Asmart. His has a delrin ring in the top cap where mine is steel. His also has a brass ring in the lower portion of the switch housing - mine again is steel. His 510/battery connector pins seem to be reverse threaded. And his cap spring seems to be plated. That all sounds much more like 1:1.
Another reviewer on VR's site also mentions sliver plated spring(s) - yeah he got a spare. And his connections are reverse threaded too.
Here's a quote of his review:
"Solid performer
Posted by Jason McG on 30th Nov 2013

Right out of the box, WOW! What a great device. Just shut up and buy it. I took this completely apart, including the button, and here are my thoughts:
- Don't take the button apart. Just don't. The magnets are strong and they used minimal glue to keep it in place. The inside magnet came out and I had to reglue. Kind of hard to get it back in and working, but it is do-able. All of this can be avoided by just not taking it apart in the first place. You don't need to.
-Silver, silver everywhere. Extra bottom spring was included, very nice. Everything that makes contact is silver plated (springs, both pins). Great drop voltage, very good performer.
- Floating pins on both sides of the button and reverse threaded. I would tighten the outer part of the pins (the part that goes in the button housing) so that it doesn't come loose. It also makes the button smoother.
- Do yourself a favor and polish this right out of the box. It shines up really, really nice.
- The pants are 350 and 650, for 500 mode it takes an extension ring. I'm a 650 guy, so this doesn't matter to me at all.

Overall, it's a great performer and I have and will recommend this to my friends. Just don't take the button apart. There are very few top firing mechanicals and this one really is a charm and looks beautiful."


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So, I'm a little disappointed - especially since FT is now selling the same brand for half the price.
I sent a note to VR stating my concerns. We'll see if they respond.
I'd like to warn people that VR is selling two different models and the one I got is not 1:1

Don't get me wrong - this one is still quite good and I'm still relatively happy with it.

 

[Portertown]

Thanks for the insight gdeal.

On another note. It seems that VR is selling 2 different versions - or maybe they ran out of the original batch. Something happened.
I found this guys video on YouTube before I bought it Poldiac clone from Asmart - YouTube.
His box totally different and he says his is Asmart. His has a delrin ring in the top cap where mine is steel. His also has a brass ring in the lower portion of the switch housing - mine again is steel. His 510/battery connector pins seem to be reverse threaded. And his cap spring seems to be plated. That all sounds much more like 1:1.
Another reviewer on VR's site also mentions sliver plated spring(s) - yeah he got a spare. And his connections are reverse threaded too.
Here's a quote of his review:
"Solid performer
Posted by Jason McG on 30th Nov 2013

Right out of the box, WOW! What a great device. Just shut up and buy it. I took this completely apart, including the button, and here are my thoughts:
- Don't take the button apart. Just don't. The magnets are strong and they used minimal glue to keep it in place. The inside magnet came out and I had to reglue. Kind of hard to get it back in and working, but it is do-able. All of this can be avoided by just not taking it apart in the first place. You don't need to.
-Silver, silver everywhere. Extra bottom spring was included, very nice. Everything that makes contact is silver plated (springs, both pins). Great drop voltage, very good performer.
- Floating pins on both sides of the button and reverse threaded. I would tighten the outer part of the pins (the part that goes in the button housing) so that it doesn't come loose. It also makes the button smoother.
- Do yourself a favor and polish this right out of the box. It shines up really, really nice.
- The pants are 350 and 650, for 500 mode it takes an extension ring. I'm a 650 guy, so this doesn't matter to me at all.

Overall, it's a great performer and I have and will recommend this to my friends. Just don't take the button apart. There are very few top firing mechanicals and this one really is a charm and looks beautiful."


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So, I'm a little disappointed - especially since FT is now selling the same brand for half the price.
I sent a note to VR stating my concerns. We'll see if they respond.
I'd like to warn people that VR is selling two different models and the one I got is not 1:1

Don't get me wrong - this one is still quite good and I'm still relatively happy with it.

I think you are right about there being two different ones from Vaperoyalty. The guy in the Youtube video said he paid $70 or $80 for his and we only paid $55. The reviewer on Vineyard Vapes said they dropped in price from $75 to $55.
I have heard that VR sent back the first ones because of problems with the tubes or something to be reworked. I wonder did they just replace them with the ones we got. I don't know if this is true or not, just something I saw on the forum. That may be the reason for the price drop.
The only differences in the two that really bothers me is the steel spring instead of the silver plated brass spring and the right handed threads instead of the reverse threading on the 510 positive contact screw. I have noticed this screw will turn down when you screw a tank onto the mod.

Looks like the one on FT is the same as the one we got. I wonder will they offer the solid brass one in the future?

I am pleased with the one I got and may order another one from FT or wait and see if they get the brass one.

If I get a second one, I may order two of the upgrade kits from Metal Madness to upgrade the contacts. The kits are 20 euros each. Even with the shipping for these parts I would only have about $80 in each upgraded mod. The original with the upgrade kit costs around $250.

 

[muzichead]

I think you are right about there being two different ones from Vaperoyalty. The guy in the Youtube video said he paid $70 or $80 for his and we only paid $55. The reviewer on Vineyard Vapes said they dropped in price from $75 to $55.
I have heard that VR sent back the first ones because of problems with the tubes or something to be reworked. I wonder did they just replace them with the ones we got. I don't know if this is true or not, just something I saw on the forum. That may be the reason for the price drop.
The only differences in the two that really bothers me is the steel spring instead of the silver plated brass spring and the right handed threads instead of the reverse threading on the 510 positive contact screw. I have noticed this screw will turn down when you screw a tank onto the mod.

Looks like the one on FT is the same as the one we got. I wonder will they offer the solid brass one in the future?

I am pleased with the one I got and may order another one from FT or wait and see if they get the brass one.

If I get a second one, I may order two of the upgrade kits from Metal Madness to upgrade the contacts. The kits are 20 euros each. Even with the shipping for these parts I would only have about $80 in each upgraded mod. The original with the upgrade kit costs around $250.

The original price from Vape Royalty was $65 when they first hit their site a month+ ago. They were pulled from stock after smokie dropped his and it broke in half. They just got them back in stock about 1 1/2-2 weeks ago and lowered the price as well. I noticed you keep commenting the FT version is the same as the VR version also. I would hold up on that assumption for a little while or until you order one to compare it to. I commented in another thread about this and thought I might as well do it here also. You have to keep in mind that most of the pics of products on FT's site aren't pics they took they are pics from other vendors and reps. There is a very high percentage of products they sell that are misrepresented in this fashion. This is done to entice the consumers in. A lot of people have complained about it in the past and some items pics have been changed. That is where all the confusion came in about everyone thinking the FT and VR Hcigar products, (namely Nemesis clones), were the same when in reality they weren't... Close, but not the same manufacturer's...