Potential e-cig bans

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schismz

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Being new to vaping and enjoying the experience of being mostly cigarette free, I've read through the forums here and am curious as to what the "electronic cigarette" ban would actually amount to.

Firstly there are the state-specific bans on e-cigs, which do not seem to be making much of a dent, and God bless Libertarian, like Arnold Schwartzenegger, who whatever his flaws may be, is at least honest enough to just say that grownups have the right to put whatever they want into their bodies, and didn't allow the proposed e-cig ban in California to pass.

Then there is some kind of larger federal attempt to ban e-cigs, which to my understanding is not yet in effect (in September)?

So... what does that actually mean? It's not like the FDA can ban batteries, or atomizers, that falls outside their jurisdiction (what if I want to atomize herbal armotherapy scents, which is how Volcano has managed to avoid a lot of bans regarding their vaporizers for ........). I would think that little plastic carts with pieces of foam in them also do not constitute a "drug" the FDA can control, it's not a molecule you are introducing into your body, it's some shaped plastic and foam.

Which leaves what exactly, controlling nicotine supplies and banning "smoke juice" and any product which is fully assembled and claims to be an "electronic cigarette"

Is this more or less correct?

What's the best way to stockpile/store nicotine/smoke juice, so make it last the longest, before having to switch over to the black market, which I guess amounts to the same thing as every other "banned" drug: it's just as available as it ever was, but more expensive.

I've read the threads here and there is a lot of conflicting information ranging from, "store it in the fridge," "store it in a 'cool dry place like your basement'," over to "just throw it in a drawer, I keep mine baking on the car seat during summer days and it works just fine!" Is there any real consensus/scientific input regarding this on the forums, which I'm not finding?

As always, thanks for your time.
 
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Right now from all my readings, this seems to be happening on a state by state case and for me in IL, all the regs/bans have only affected brick/mortar shops - online purchases are unaffected.

I don't like all the ban talk myself but I get the feeling the FDA is concerned a bit with letting this get way down the road only to find out there are some health issues/concerns and then they have egg on their face.

Big tobacco - you bet!
Tax, Tax, Tax - no chit!

But until some e-cig company pays up to prove these things are whatever, there will be a lot of BS ammo around for big brothers to step in and "save" us.

In the meantime, I keep between 1-2 liters (yes, liters) of my favorite juices around, have 3 working devices, plenty-o-attys and read the modders forum religiously so I can build my own if/when it comes to that. Juice is in the basement in a cool, dry, dark place - like fine wine.
 
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Really makes me sick when I start reading these e-cig ban threads...

You find something that wont kill you and they race to take it from you.

fact is that they've already spent the tax dollars from cigarettes that you have not even bought yet....................................................................

they seem more than happy to screw us over in favor of these programs they want to use that money for.

and the FDA seems to be playing the sock puppet on this one allowing themselves to be used to poison public opinion...

I need to get out of this thread now I know its going to ruin my day...
 

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The faster the world gets educated on e-cigs the harder the fight for the FDA and others will be. Instead of singling out one chemical and playing scare tactics, I suggest they do a side by side study with a real cigarette. Right now they know putting an e-cig through the same tests as a regular smoke would work in our favor so they are avoiding it at all costs. The instant they admit it is even 10% safer they will have lost.

I wrote a letter to the white house about this and I haven't even started vaping yet (kit on the way). In part of my letter, I mentioned the never ending battle to find the cure for cancer. I recommended they start looking for a cure to the things that cause most of the cancer, then gave them a head start by linking them here. It's a money thing, it would take an incredible feat of honesty from a corrupt government to abandon the ban effort.
 

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Thank you for the replies and specific threads regarding storing smoke juice, I had in fact found one of the two that were posted, which is the one I was referring to, and spans the gamut from "the fridge," "under the bed with my shotgun," "on my carseat," over to the overall reasonable-seeming cool, dark, dry place (basement). I am leaning towards the latter, possibly with a wine fridge at 60 degrees.

Regarding the specifics of an FDA ban, I get the overall feeling that comparisons to other banned molecules/substances are not welcome here, since they tend to be slightly more marginalized demographics than former smokers.

The way bans play out when they actually go into effect, is there is a window of 90 days for everybody to unload all stock they already have, no new incoming shipments are allowed, and given those 90 days time, all of the banned items will start showing up on e-bay at 4x the original cost.

In the case of molecules, even with the analogs act, chemists tend to produce similar molecules, and start flooding the marketplace with those. You don't ban "nicotine" you ban that molecule, so for instance, SomeNewMolecule with an extra carbon shows up, that works pretty much the same, and starts appearing.

This is sub-optimal because in general there is a body of knowledge surrounding the molecule that was banned, whereas brand new molecules with only slight differences, may in fact be far more toxic than the original one and have unknown side-effects.

Reeling this back in to be on-point with regards to e-cigs, I am still unclear how exactly the FDA would manage to ban e-cig "paraphernalia" unless it was a kit, pre-assembled, and directly stated that it was an "electronic cigarette".

BTW if you think the FDA works for you/us, and our government is truly concerned in our well being, based upon every other action they've taken regarding other banned molecules... you would be mistaken. At the end of the day it's all about money, lobbying groups, and politics. Which is one of the reasons we have alcohol and cigarettes... too many people with too much money, want them, and want to keep producing them.

For a lot of fun, rewind time by not so long ago, pre-Harrison Narcotics act, and you'll find pretty much every molecule which is currently super-dangerous and a threat to civilization itself, was available cheaply, by the pound, from a Sears catalog. Society did not collapse.

I'll stop ranting, need to order a few thousands dollars worth of nicotine.

Tnx for the replies and further info.
 
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schismz

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E cigs are going to be the best way for me to quit smoking.I just started and I'm smoking less and less everyday.I don't even miss not smoking as much.Soon I'll be smoke free!!!:toast:

I'm glad e-cigs are allowing you to taper down and possibly quit, utilizing a portable vaporizer as a smoking cessation device. This is not, however, one of my personal goals. I like nicotine, it works for me, I have no desire to stop using it. I do not feel "my" government has the right to control what I put into my body, based upon kickbacks from lobbying groups. This is the not the United States of America that I want to live in.
 

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President Obama is an anlog smoker...maybe we can convert him to e-cigs ;)

At least one member sent him an e-cig.


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Anybody want to take a bet one of the Big Tobacco companies will come out with an e-cig as a nicotine nebulizer if the FDA ban goes through?

If you also follow the tobacco lobbyists. They have changed their tune to nicotine is safe (or at least safer) but not while being smoked.

Does anybody see something fishy about that?

Also if I'm reading this right, the FDA will classify e-cigs as medical devices?

So I'm seeing big medical companies producing e-cig, I mean medical nebulizers and Big Tobacco selling us the nicotine (they have tons of tobacco I'm sure they can produce the juice).

If anybody reads Gizmodo, remember this article?

In Early Tests, $99 Wii Balance Board Outperforms $17,885 Medical Rig

The Wii board is better than the average weight monitoring device at your PT. What a markup for being a medical device!

I'm guessing the FDA approved e-cigs will cost at least 2x more than currently for just being approved.
 
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