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There are two issues with this, though (sorry to answer an old post but I just saw it now):
1) CASAA is an organization which advocates all low-risk, smokeless alternatives, including smokeless tobacco, not just e-cigarettes. The issues facing those tobacco products are essentially the same as with e-cigarettes. The ANTZ want to eliminate all safer alternatives to cigarettes and nicotine addiction. So, they really aren't two separate issues, as both perpetuate nicotine use.
2) If the ANTZ objections to e-cigarettes were just about them being a "tobacco product" then it would make sense to distance e-cigs from tobacco products as "completely different." However, the objections raised are rarely (if ever) about whether or not they are "tobacco." Mostly, it comes down to being a way to addict children to nicotine, acting as a "gateway to tobacco smoking." There is no basis to the argument, yet it comes up time and again. Then there is the objection to being "addicted" to anything. "Addiction is bad" in any form to them. And then there is that it "looks like smoking," which "sets a bad example" to children and "confuses smokers complicating the enforcement of smoking bans." And don't forget the "we don't know what is in them and shouldn't be exposed to anything in public" argument. Not to mention the "dangerous health effects of nicotine" and "dangers of third-hand smoke from nicotine residue" gems.
Switching to synthetic nicotine and saying "but we aren't tobacco" wouldn't help at all with those arguments, sorry to say. The argument ends up being about promoting tobacco harm reduction - which includes those other tobacco products. If smokeless tobacco (especially snus, which has a plethora of evidence showing that it doesn't increase health risks, so smokeless is a safer alternative to smoking) is accepted as a safer alternative, that in turn helps with arguments for smokeless e-cigarettes (which lack sufficient research to convince them yet.) The two products get mutual benefit from the combined arguments on tobacco harm reduction.
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Saw you're name and then the forum had a major burp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In and out, fixing supper.
Your points are good and well taken. Just because they face the same issues, doesn't mean both have to be in the same conversation every time. My opinion of distancing e-cigs from forms of smokeless tobacco (and not mentioning smokeless tobacco just because e-cigs are discussed) stands. Although, I do understand that you're facing many more issues from the ANTZ than what I'm referring to and that CASAA includes other things besides e-cigs.
So keep up the good fight. The post was in reference to indoor air quality standards. Snus and smokless tobacco products are not an issue in that legislation if I remember correctly. Please feel free to ignore me. But my opinion (right or wrong) is currently as stated. That's all it is...one guy's opinion. I'm not usually without one
Like I said...keep up the good fight, and thanks for helping to keep our options open.
So keep up the good fight. The post was in reference to indoor air quality standards. Snus and smokless tobacco products are not an issue in that legislation if I remember correctly. Please feel free to ignore me. But my opinion (right or wrong) is currently as stated. That's all it is...one guy's opinion. I'm not usually without one
Like I said...keep up the good fight, and thanks for helping to keep our options open.
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