Predicate Product Exists: Altria In Negotiations To Acquire
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The owners of the predicate product have sent out a Press Release. Ive also included a PDF Attachment of the Press Release in this post.
SOURCE: www. .................................. .com/atlantic-cigs-releases-statement-regarding-predicate-product-negotiations/
SOURCE: www. .................................. .com/atlantic-cigs-releases-statement-regarding-predicate-product-negotiations/
I wonder if it could be held within a non-profit foundation that allows as many products as possibe to qualify for market.
Either way, this could be a press release that vaping is not owned by BT.
Either way, this could be a press release that vaping is not owned by BT.
The FDA has enough authority to ruin the US e-cig market but there will be consequences. A lot more people won't quit smoking, a more kids will start smoking, some people will go back to smoking, a lot of economic opportunity will be lost if ecigs are entirely off shore, there will be black markets, a drug war, etc., etc. The only reason to do all this will be to protect the government's own drug trade, their tobacco excise taxes. The FDA isn't stupid enough to do it but it might be corrupt enough to do it.
If BT really thought that owning this was the key to big market share going forward, there would be a bidding war and the offers would be much higher.
Yea, I saw they were located in a mall. The mall kiosks around here charge $30 for a standard rebrand 650 mah ego. Right now all we have is their word that this has even happened.
I used to listen to The Blues a lot. Now I come here and read 'how bad it's going to be.'
I'm not a close follower of the FDA regulation situation, but it seems to me that what outcomes are projected are based on FDA's position of some time ago. Do we know that the FDA outlook hasn't changed (at all) internally in the past while? Was the FDA stance etched in stone a couple of years ago and thus no evolution has taken place?
I recently posted to a thread directly after Bob Godshall offered some of the old draconian future outlook. I asked him if at the current time he thought the regulations would actually come time like those formed a while back. I don't recall any response to that post.
In all the fretting and hand-wringing I see only doom and gloom and little in the was of action plans or leadership towards a better outcome other than the mostly state and local level offerings of CASAA and company. There are of course some encouragement to contact national representatives and such.
In absence of encouragement towards some positive outcomes for vaping, I might as well return to The Blues. At least the latter often offers a great amount of levity and some promise of a better times.
I'm not a close follower of the FDA regulation situation, but it seems to me that what outcomes are projected are based on FDA's position of some time ago. Do we know that the FDA outlook hasn't changed (at all) internally in the past while? Was the FDA stance etched in stone a couple of years ago and thus no evolution has taken place?
I recently posted to a thread directly after Bob Godshall offered some of the old draconian future outlook. I asked him if at the current time he thought the regulations would actually come time like those formed a while back. I don't recall any response to that post.
In all the fretting and hand-wringing I see only doom and gloom and little in the was of action plans or leadership towards a better outcome other than the mostly state and local level offerings of CASAA and company. There are of course some encouragement to contact national representatives and such.
In absence of encouragement towards some positive outcomes for vaping, I might as well return to The Blues. At least the latter often offers a great amount of levity and some promise of a better times.
the system is already in place.
when i reload my prepayed card they scan
my I.D. into the cash register.
places with out the newer systems no longer
sell prepay cards.
all they have to do is make their list of banned
items. make them all point of sale. require a
state I.D. and you sign the touch pad averring
you aren't going to use said items for banned
purposes.
of course this is the doom and gloom version.
regards
mike
Was my exact thought, a penny per unit sold would make a very nice yearly income.
I have to come back to the Boehner letter. To me that letter is not a 'Boehner' thing per se, but is as big of a deal for vaping enthusiasts as this story is hyped up to be. I would argue it is around 3 times bigger than this story's perceived ramifications if vapers are thinking coherently about the politics at work.
I recognize that BT or some other big business (could just as well be BV, or of course BP) would love to corner the eCig market. I think whoever tries will fail. And that failure would be realized in less than a year's time by general society. The failure would be realized by readers of this thread before it even starts. The idea of a vaper being loyal to one company demonstrates incredible lack of understanding about what vaping entails. With smoking, though an ex-smoker may not understand this today, it really was all about taste as to why people stuck with one smoke over another. With vaping, it isn't simply because we have free market going now that there is desire to try many options, it is because vaping is that much different. A black market would arise (and/or DIY wold take over) and hence the failure would be realized very rapidly by anyone paying attention. Here on ECF, I think most already acknowledge this and are well prepared if some sort of cornering of the market were actually going to be attempted.
The Boehner letter moves the grandfather date such that 'predicate product' becomes a political non-issue. If I were trying to corner the vaping market, I would do everything possible to not allow the grandfather date to be changed. I expect that to occur here if this story has any weight. But I also expect vaping enthusiasts, CASAA and political types to realize that this is the direction we must go in, or we will be facing a reactionary battle that will have a bunch of people wondering why we didn't try to fight this harder pre-2017.
And because the Boehner letter exists in shared reality, I don't see why any of us would be overly dismayed. Either we are willing to get behind that now and push it for all its worth, or we are willing to concede to them (Big Whatever) that desires to corner the vaping market. Kinda simple really.
Perhaps I'm overlooking something and would love to discuss this openly. Here. Now.
I recognize that BT or some other big business (could just as well be BV, or of course BP) would love to corner the eCig market. I think whoever tries will fail. And that failure would be realized in less than a year's time by general society. The failure would be realized by readers of this thread before it even starts. The idea of a vaper being loyal to one company demonstrates incredible lack of understanding about what vaping entails. With smoking, though an ex-smoker may not understand this today, it really was all about taste as to why people stuck with one smoke over another. With vaping, it isn't simply because we have free market going now that there is desire to try many options, it is because vaping is that much different. A black market would arise (and/or DIY wold take over) and hence the failure would be realized very rapidly by anyone paying attention. Here on ECF, I think most already acknowledge this and are well prepared if some sort of cornering of the market were actually going to be attempted.
The Boehner letter moves the grandfather date such that 'predicate product' becomes a political non-issue. If I were trying to corner the vaping market, I would do everything possible to not allow the grandfather date to be changed. I expect that to occur here if this story has any weight. But I also expect vaping enthusiasts, CASAA and political types to realize that this is the direction we must go in, or we will be facing a reactionary battle that will have a bunch of people wondering why we didn't try to fight this harder pre-2017.
And because the Boehner letter exists in shared reality, I don't see why any of us would be overly dismayed. Either we are willing to get behind that now and push it for all its worth, or we are willing to concede to them (Big Whatever) that desires to corner the vaping market. Kinda simple really.
Perhaps I'm overlooking something and would love to discuss this openly. Here. Now.
I think the premise of the letter was good and there are strong valid reasons to move the grandfather date. Did you read the SBA comments? There is reason to believe this thing is being rushed prematurely and not all the bases have been covered - and that could be backed by regulation / laws.
I have a strong hunch that no matter what the FDA does, this is ending in court and to do it right, "we" (vaping industry) needs funding. Big time. It still tends to bug me that vaping charity events donate to causes unrelated to vaping. Sorry. I feel greedy and selfish at times about feeling that way.
The good news is the Calf. chapter of SAFTA raised over $100k in less than 3 hours. I think they are aiming for a court battle.
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If we need funding, it is already there. If we need consumers, alone, to fund the political battle, that's impractical. Name another industry where that is occurring. Either vendor groups and their many investors want to wage this political battle, or they don't. I think many do, and is how the Boehner letter came about.
It kinda seems like consumers are paying for all this one way or another anyway. Vaping is like a 3 billion dollar industry. Where'd all that money come from?
It kinda seems like consumers are paying for all this one way or another anyway. Vaping is like a 3 billion dollar industry. Where'd all that money come from?
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