Prices, lies, and corruption

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Magestorm

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Today we expose the corruption inside the regular cigarette industry, as well as the government.

How much DOES a pack of cigarettes actually cost?

Some people are currently paying upwards to $10 a pack in the United states, with the national average at about $7 US/pack. But, with 43.4 million reported smokers in the US, this makes for around 303.8 million dollars a day, 2.127 billion a week, or 110.583 billion dollars a year. But, where does this money ACTUALLY go?

Well, first, let's see what it costs to get a pack of cigarettes without taxes or profits for anyone other than Big tobacco. Well, some places seem to suggest $0.50 a pack, while others suggest $4 a pack.

But, let's try to make an educated guess with what we can find. Looking at the situation, we can see the best place for tax free cigaretes are duty free shops. These are cigarettes manufactured to be sold outside of the United States, and have no tax stamps.

6 cartons of Camels run anywhere from $110-150. Average price being $140 US, not including shipping. This is their price to the consumer, not to companies. And we know these companies are not doing this for their health. They have to be making a healthy profit.

But, for now, let's accept $140 for 6 cartons as the average. That's $23.33 per carton. That puts the per pack price at around $2.33. $2.33 for something that costs $7 avg US.

But, that's with the duty free internet stores selling at a healthy profit. Usually, a company will, on average, double the price or more to get a good profit on an item. But, let's just use a conservative 100% markup. That puts the per pack cost at a little over a dollar a pack, at $1.17/pack.

So, where is that other $6 a pack going? We can safely assume the store is taking a markup similar to a duty free store, and that we will state is $2.50 a pack total. $2.50 out of a $7 pack of cigarettes. That's $4.50 coming out of those cigarettes, in hidden taxes, as well as overt tax stamps.

So, while Big tobacco does make a profit, that's not where most of this money is really going. $4.50 out of a $7 pack of cigarettes is Federal, State, and local taxes.

Here comes along Electronic cigarettes, and frightens all those people getting the REAL profits, Big Government. But, as in California, no elected official really wants to do anything about them. They are working on a bill to ASK the FDA to do something. They know if E-Cigs gain popular acceptance, any bans or regulations would become political suicide, cutting their own throats.

And if they were to totally ban cigarettes and e-cigs, and all other forms of nicotine, what then? They've instantly created the new Prohibition, and people will INCREASE and buy illegally.

And what would they tax? We already see tax hikes on liquors and alcohols. There's even discussion underway to place a tax on "fatty or junk" foods.

And if they Nanny tax us into eating what they want, and drinking what they want, how long before we see a tax on saying [Word Censored. Please insert your debt card to pay $2 Obcenity Tax to view]

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souporvapor

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Maybe this is the time to share a bit of 'local' information.

The owner of a convenience store/national chain gas station in WA state located on a major thoroughfare was asked
"what percentage of your gross sales are tobacco products?"

Yes - the government is cleaning up their budget with the health of tobacco users.

AND
There are retailers whose gross sales are 60% tobacco products.

Maybe we need to 'educate' those retailers.
hmmm there's another thread on that - not so easy - BUT it does explain why retailers including tobacco shop owners are hesitant to 'evolve' as they can't yet comprehend the possibilities e-cigs open up for millions of 'ex' to be smokers.

30 years of smoking...
Vaporized by my Screwdriver!
 
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Mr_Slippery

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The Gov really is in a win-win situation.

They Gov get's to show the world how much they 'care' by taxing us to get us to quit smoking - knowing full well that most cannot, thus creating a perpetual revenue stream.

So they get to look like angels, while robbing us blind.

The teaparty phenomenon is not just about taxes, per se.

It's about exposing a Central government that is too big, too powerful, and exists to serve it's own interests over the interest of the governed.

The FDA in my opinion is an extra-constitutional authority, in my humble opinion.
 

Mr_Slippery

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if i were a well paid employed of the FDA I would be fighting any thing, I would buy a lot of e cig just to stock and vapor at home, but I would be in the need to find dangerus things just to keep my job


Therein lies one of the big problems. We as "free" citizens are basically at the mercy of unelected, unaccountable beurocrats...:grr:
 

Liscab

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I used to have this romantic notion that if given the chance, one could go up to their senator,governor, president and say "We pay your salary. You work for us. It's high time you listen to the people!"

I now realize that's just fantasy.. :(
of couse that is fantasy we have a lot of people between us and the president, the president is elected by the electoral colege not by the people, and then the president elect his crew
 

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I used to have this romantic notion that if given the chance, one could go up to their senator,governor, president and say "We pay your salary. You work for us. It's high time you listen to the people!"

I now realize that's just fantasy.. :(
Forgive the political reference but today I was watching a video of a recent (last day or so) "Town Hall" meeting on the Health Care Reform bill and several people actually said that to the Senator but they were completely ignored by that Senator who walked out on the meeting because people were demanding to be heard!!

Anyone who believes ANY of the current Government officials (regardless of their party affiliations) cares what we have to say on ANY issue is in for a rude awakening!

I would include the link for the video but I watched so many on so many different websites (not just ScrewTube) today there's no way I could find it again. It was buried in a link from a link from a link... etc...
 

grimmer255

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Jeesh I mentioned a month ago that there larger players than we are seeing now. The FDA are being governed by those players. And again its not about money...its about control. They want you to believe its about money and it's irrelevant. Truly it poses no value....Its only about power and control. They're trying to get you to believe what they want you to believe while making the public as stupid as possible.
Haven't you noticed in the last 35 years the government has allowed the tests scores in our education system to become lower so the kids can pass. They say we need more money well tell that to the Chinese who has a 2.5 billion population and there average in test scores strike way higher than ours. The media keeps bring in so called experts telling us we need more money to educate our children. And we buy into that crap.
Then of course the government decided on what can be said on the news. Freedom of press come on folks. The news stations are so afraid to give out the truth because of authority...News reporters for news papers are no longer allowed to protected there source in the court of law (if dealing with national threat and conflict of interests). If they do they go to jail. The only way to fight this is not to give in to there control. Stop thinking its about money because its not...It wasn't money that destroyed our education system it was our own people. Its us folks we buy into all the BS that goes on because they keep planting stuff here and there to throw us off and they make crumb trails that leads to believing its about money. We believe in what they want us to believe....

Money is used to buy things.....They can suck it all up and leave everyone with nothing but then it will be worthless. Money is such a stupid concept. There are better ways to have things distributed. The sooner we get out of this way of life the better we will be.

It goes something like this. If you have no money your a bum....if your barely scrapping by then your poor. If you live comfortably and can retire when your 64 then your middle class. Then of course you know the rest. And all these classes are fighting with each other....look at our way of life we're lowering ourselves by placing human beings in classes and forcing them to live a certain way. Its modern day slavery.......think Im crazy well go talk to some real poor folks and ask how many jobs that have to do just to get by while working themselves to death and have no medical or any type of savings for retirement. The worst part about this is its been like this for thousands of years and we still cant change...even with all our technology and life saving gadgets.

This is what I see and read everyday...
 

warp1900

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I want to remind everyone that the "entities" you are talking about employ people just like you and me, and the government also is run by people. They have kids, and they go to schools, they eat, and live in a home.
Let's start by asking ourselves what part of that scheme are we playing.
We all truly believe that they are the ones to blame, but, please lets start to profoundly analyze what we do that enables this things to happen. We always think things happen because others are corrupt.
Regardless of the job you have(or had), are you also being corrupted or are you even aware of what really goes behind the scenes?

It is absolutely true that this has been going on since the "dawn of mankind", and it will never change unless we confront ourselves and start from square one thinking outside the box...

And some already got started doing just that.

The Venus Project

:)
 

Mister

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In Canada the numbers (cost of cigarettes and distribution of that money) are similar to the US.

But in Canada it theoretically should not hurt government at all if every Canadian smoker switched to e-cigarettes and there was no associated replacement of tobacco tax revenue. Numerous reports in Canada in the past decade have stated that the health care costs associated with smoking are higher than the tax revenue from tobacco. Since Canada has a universal health care system, it seems reasonable to argue that the less people smoke tobacco, the further ahead the government is financially.

An example report for Ontario 2005 is at (please copy and paste into browser and add .html at the end, I'm not allowed to post links yet): "health.gov.on.ca/english/public/updates/archives/hu_04/tobacco/tobacco_revenue"
 
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