Provari and an igo w help needed!

[Gnarly Dood]

Hi all - been reading all I can for a year and a half now and am finally dipping into the rebuildable arena. I've been a carto tank guy for over a year now but they are starting to annoy me. Quality just seems to be lagging and I'm only getting a couple days off a fresh carto.

So long story short I decided on an igo L or W. Went with the W for the post holes. I plan on running single coil just like the ease factor of the holes. I also ordered 30ga kanthal. I've watched a bunch of videos and am planning on wrapping around a 1/16 bit and using cotton wick. Here's my questions:

I know to check ohms once it's done but I think I'm shooting for 1.5 - 2.0. Can I just check the ohms on the provari and it'll be safe?

I'm guessing from what I've seen that I'm going to go about 5 to 6 wraps (micro coil) and see what it reads. Too many / few wraps?

I obviously want to be safe and am wondering what happens with a provari and an unsafe coil? Does it just not fire or am I looking at a meltdown?

I don't need these massive sub ohm clouds I've seen (although it is very cool!) and am just wanting a reliable solid vaping experience. Am I on the right track with this setup?

Thanks in advance!!


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[brinks]

ok i will try and help if i can

1, yes you can check your ohms using the provari, and i do it all the time

2. i have used both 32ga and 28ga and i do believe that i am usually doing 7 to 8 wraps to get to 1.5

3. if something happens and it is unsafe the provari will not fire it.. it will come up with a error code.

4. it sounds like a good set up.. i have the provari with a kayfun sitting on it and it works great

 

[TBCAmor]

ok i will try and help if i can

1, yes you can check your ohms using the provari, and i do it all the time

2. i have used both 32ga and 28ga and i do believe that i am usually doing 7 to 8 wraps to get to 1.5

3. if something happens and it is unsafe the provari will not fire it.. it will come up with a error code.

4. it sounds like a good set up.. i have the provari with a kayfun sitting on it and it works great

This is great advice. I build on my mvp 2 and then use my mechs. Vv/vw devices like your provari as has been said won't fire if there is a short or anything.

I've never used a provari, but if it doesn't read ohms, which I'm sure it does, get an ohm reader.

I have an igo w setup with a .7 ohm single coil. I know your not going that low, but igos are grea, and pretty easy. Just look at pics or vids, the wick is the most difficult part, and it's not hard still. Great rda, I use it on my mechs and it's wild, but I've used it on my mvp and tesla and vtr, at higher ohms since they won't fire at .7.

Also, it's very important to make sure the air hole is right in front of the coil. Meaning if you look through it, you can see your coil. I put scotch tape on the other howl when I do a single coil, so it prevents leaking. The second hole is only necessary for dual coils. So, tape that second hole and you can put more drops in it, too.

Good luck, and have fun building. It's a hobby, and a fun one at that. Enjoy!

 

[EBates]

Welcome aboard.
Sounds like you've got a good plan.
Attached please find the Kanthal Coil Calculator that I use.

You did not mention wick, I would suggest using sterile cotton (been stealing wife's cotton balls). I've had really good luck using it.

I also use a resistance box and do my builds on it. My Vamo keeps falling over. (it's pretty clumsy ).

Hope your dripper plays as nice as my kayfun has.

 

[Gnarly Dood]

Wow - thanks for all the quick replies! I'm actually in vacation right now but expect to come home Sunday to a mailbox stuffed with an igo w, kanthal and a new 100ml of bobas bounty. So Sunday night I'll be in the shed wrapping 7 coils around a 1/16 drill bit and keeping my fingers crossed!

As far as the cotton wick goes what type should be used? I'm sure we've got standard 99 cent drugstore brand in the cabinet but should I be looking for something more "natural"?

Also, with all your experiences what ohms and voltages will give good results on my type of set up? I'm guessing that a 1.5 at 4.0v might be good?


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[bulldog63h]

1.5 is a good resistance. It'll work well on regulated and mech mods alike. As far as the voltage, start low and work your way up. Once you find the best vapor, flavor and throat hit, see what voltage you have it set to. I say that because there is no universal magic number. You can then use that as a benchmark for subsequent builds.

 

[ElConquistador]

Don't check your coil with a dry cotton wick on it using your Provari, it fires when checking! Check, then wick.

 

[TBCAmor]

Don't check your coil with a dry cotton wick on it using your Provari, it fires when checking! Check, then wick.

Yes to this. I burned the organic cotton on my first build doing that. Once you do fire it to check, you will want to wet the wick and fire it. It won't glow when you do this. Also, I always double check my ohms after I wick, and before I fire it wet, to make sure I didn't pull on the coil and change it a bit. Might be unnecessary, I just like to be obsessively careful. I have had it change before, so thats why I do it.

 

[Gnarly Dood]

I'm all about obsessing! I'll definitely check the ohms before and after wicking. Probably about 20 times a day on average. Im sitting here with an I clear 30s on vacation obsessing about a real vape...


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[ClanMcCloud]

Don't check your coil with a dry cotton wick on it using your Provari, it fires when checking! Check, then wick.

Thirded. Check your Ohms before you wick it, check again when it's wicked and wet.

For the Provari, I noticed that it will read Ohms that it can't fire. I built a 28ga, 9-wrap sleeper coil (dual coils made from one piece of wire) in an IGO W. The first coil came out to .8Ohm, but then the Provari proceeded to register an E2. It didn't want to fire that coil at any voltage, which I think means it hit the Provari's amp limit. The second coil I made is rather ugly, but reads 1Ohm and fires fine at 3.7V-3.8V.

The IGO W does get rather hot though.

 

[The Ocelot]

For cotton wicks I use 100% cotton Cellucotton. The fibers are longer and it doesn't get the little "pills" in it like cotton balls. It also doesn't have a cottony taste the first few drags. I have some rayon Cellucotton on the way that I have heard good things about.

 

[serenity21899]

Hi all - been reading all I can for a year and a half now and am finally dipping into the rebuildable arena. I've been a carto tank guy for over a year now but they are starting to annoy me. Quality just seems to be lagging and I'm only getting a couple days off a fresh carto.

So long story short I decided on an igo L or W. Went with the W for the post holes. I plan on running single coil just like the ease factor of the holes. I also ordered 30ga kanthal. I've watched a bunch of videos and am planning on wrapping around a 1/16 bit and using cotton wick. Here's my questions:

I know to check ohms once it's done but I think I'm shooting for 1.5 - 2.0. Can I just check the ohms on the provari and it'll be safe?

I'm guessing from what I've seen that I'm going to go about 5 to 6 wraps (micro coil) and see what it reads. Too many / few wraps?

I obviously want to be safe and am wondering what happens with a provari and an unsafe coil? Does it just not fire or am I looking at a meltdown?

I don't need these massive sub ohm clouds I've seen (although it is very cool!) and am just wanting a reliable solid vaping experience. Am I on the right track with this setup?

Thanks in advance!!


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I use an ohm meter to build as it also makes a handy platform. But you can check ohms on a ProVari. If the resistance is too low, you will get an error and the ProVari will not fire.

Here is some further info on rebuilding:

Taste Your Juice | REBUILDING

 

[cocacola31173]

Once you get the hang of making coils and since you are a carto tank guy I suggest getting the Kayfun Lite Plus by Ehpro...I used to only use carto tanks and then I found these. I like it cause I can tighten the draw to exactly like a cartomizer! Plus there is no cartomizers to buy.

 

[dice57]

Dood, best way to find out is just doing it. I started out the same way, with a Provari and the Russian, and some 28, 30, and 32 awg Kanthal A1. Didn't like 32, to thin and springy.

1.5-2.0 is an excellent range to build for the Provari. That way you will be able to max out the 15 watt capacity without bumping into P's amp limit of 3.5 amps. P will fire as low as 0.9 ohms, but you'll only be able to get like 11 watts max because of the amp limit. Anything over 2.4 ohms, and your watts will decrease from max because of the 6 volt limit. 2.4 ohms at 6 volts is 15 watts. Because of those lower and upper constraints, my target build was 1.8 ohms, to allow for ohms increasing with use, so she could creep up but still could push P to 15 max.

Make sure and check out the Micro Coil build thread, if you haven't already done so. Is the best way to get consistent coils every time and become proficient at building quickly.

I like to make coils long as possible in the space provide, for maximum wick to coil coverage, more surface area, more vape, least that's my thinking. But I like to keep the ohms low as possible for instant vape. It's all about balancing your gear to your vape goals, while keeping everything as safe and trouble free as possible to maintain the level of vape desired.

With the P, or most any quality regulated device, you can't frak it up unless you try really hard at it. If your ohms are to low, or there is a short, P will tell your with a lo, for to low, or an e3 or something, look it up on the provape web site, have forgotten P's error codes. woops sorry.

You're on the right track far as I can see.

Oh, yeah, I never thought I'd go sub ohm either, but on one of my regulated mods, build needs to be just under 0.4 ohms to get the most out of it, otherwise I'm limited to like 50 watts. lol But as my builds got better, well, lets just say my highest build, that's like several months old, is 1.3 ohms.

Vape is a progressive disease hobby, the longer you vape the bigger your collection becomes.



Vape long and Prosper.!!!

 

[CokeC77]

I've been using this same setup for a couple of months now. Using 30ga kanthal I get right at .18ohms per turn on a 1/16" drill bit. I have been running lots of dual coils with 11-15 wraps each 1.1-1.4ohm (2.3-2.8ohms each) . The only drawback I see to the 30ga is that for single coils below 2ohm you don't have very much surface area (8-10 wraps) using micro coils which is maybe 1/8" wide. I recommend buying some larger gauge 26 or 28 so as to build single coils in that resistance range with more surface area. That will definitely be my next purchase! Hope this helps some....

 

[Gnarly Dood]

Wow I should have been posting here years ago! Thanks all for all the info! It sounds like I may be on the right track. Just checked and myvaporstore.com tracking says the igo and kanthal will be here Monday. That's gonna be a long day at work!
After some more reading and your feedback I think I'm looking to try 8-9 wraps and see where that puts me.
Thanks to CokeC77 I now have a new question:

What's the major difference from single to dual coil setups?


And honestly being used to a carto tank setup how big will the "wow" factor be going to a rebuildable?


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[Phobernomicon]

Wow I should have been posting here years ago! Thanks all for all the info! It sounds like I may be on the right track. Just checked and myvaporstore.com tracking says the igo and kanthal will be here Monday. That's gonna be a long day at work!
After some more reading and your feedback I think I'm looking to try 8-9 wraps and see where that puts me.
Thanks to CokeC77 I now have a new question:

What's the major difference from single to dual coil setups?


And honestly being used to a carto tank setup how big will the "wow" factor be going to a rebuildable?


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To me the major difference between single and dual coil setups is dual coils can have better flavor(subjective) when setup properly. You have twice as much surface area, so you can use a ton of juice, extra juice= more flavor and cloud production. Some prefer dual coils, some single. Give them both a shot and see what you like best. Just remember adding the second coil will Half your resistance IE 2 2ohm coils will become 1ohm total resistance. You use a lot more juice and battery.
Switching from a carto to an RDA to me was a huge step in the right direction. I have a lot more control over how I vape now. Flavor, throat hit, and cloud production are all increased. I love it, and doubt I will go back to carto's. That's just my opinion, some people prefer their carto's over their RDA's. You see thread about people turning their Kayfun's into essentially a carto. To each their own.

 

[Gnarly Dood]

So I got my igo w in the mail and went to building my first coil. Drilled out one of the little holes to 1/16 and put tape over the other hole. Nice loose draw so that's good. I used 30ga kanthal (9 wraps) with cotton wick. It was reading 1.8-1.9 empty on the dry burn but has jumped to 2.4-2.8 loaded with cotton and juice. Is that normal?? I've got the volts at 4.9 and it appears to be working well. Flavor isn't that great. Brand new bobas so maybe it needs to steep. Vapor is pretty good though. Is this normal? Did I do something wrong or just need practice?



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[ElConquistador]

I shouldn't jump THAT much, but apparently you don't have a short or it wouldn't be firing. I've seen mine jump maybe .1 ohm after adding juice and wick, but that seems excessive. No idea why it would do that, though.

 

[Baditude]

A Kayfun is like a cartotank on steroids.

I've used cartotanks for the better part of 2 years now. Since getting my KFL+, it has become my primary juice attachment. I still use a couple of cartotanks on the side with different flavors.

I recommend using organic cotton. Other cotton can have either bleach or hydrogen pyroxide in it which would require boiling. I've tried the Rayon stuff and I'm not a fan of it, although I may revisit that one day. Happy with organic cotton.