Provari - What is the real benefit of higher voltage?
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The VV e-cigs give you the ability to change the voltage supplied by the battery to the atty / carto.
Different attys and cartos are different resistance, 1.5 ohm, 2.0 ohm etc, varying the voltage
allows you to vape the SAME wattage with different resistances. The wattage changes the flavor,
amount of vapor, heat of vapor, and you need to find what wattage you like.
A 3.2v battery with 2.0 ohm atty, will give you about 5 watts / 3.7v 2.7 ohm = about 5 watts /
5v 4.8 ohm atty = about 5 watts.
Different attys and cartos are different resistance, 1.5 ohm, 2.0 ohm etc, varying the voltage
allows you to vape the SAME wattage with different resistances. The wattage changes the flavor,
amount of vapor, heat of vapor, and you need to find what wattage you like.
A 3.2v battery with 2.0 ohm atty, will give you about 5 watts / 3.7v 2.7 ohm = about 5 watts /
5v 4.8 ohm atty = about 5 watts.
You are correct in the assumption that the primary advantage of using higher voltage devices is that you get more vapor and throat hit. It really is as simple as that.
Flavor, however, is often negatively affected by higher voltage and that's where the adjustable voltage comes in. Where a 5V device may ruin a flavor that was good at 3.2-3.7V (like on your eGo), somewhere in the middle may be the perfect combination of flavor and TH. Another benefit of variable voltage is that it allows you to find the perfect voltage for a wide range of atomizers and cartomizers that are now available. For instance, I have never been happy with cartomizers at 3.7V because I wasn't getting a decent TH and at 5V they just fried. Setting my Infinity at around 4.5V has allowed me to get a great warm hit with fantastic flavor out of cartomizers that were stuck in a drawer.
I love the Infinity and am still considering a Provape, but even if money was no object, I would probably still be using the eGo as an all day vape.
Flavor, however, is often negatively affected by higher voltage and that's where the adjustable voltage comes in. Where a 5V device may ruin a flavor that was good at 3.2-3.7V (like on your eGo), somewhere in the middle may be the perfect combination of flavor and TH. Another benefit of variable voltage is that it allows you to find the perfect voltage for a wide range of atomizers and cartomizers that are now available. For instance, I have never been happy with cartomizers at 3.7V because I wasn't getting a decent TH and at 5V they just fried. Setting my Infinity at around 4.5V has allowed me to get a great warm hit with fantastic flavor out of cartomizers that were stuck in a drawer.
I love the Infinity and am still considering a Provape, but even if money was no object, I would probably still be using the eGo as an all day vape.
Thanks Stosh...maybe this will make more sense over time. I still don't understand the resistance thing, but hopefully it will make more sense with time.
I agree with Stosh on VV PV's giving the user ultimate flexiblity. In addition, even if you use the same atty's all the time, the resistence changes as you vape which diminishes how well it vapes. With VV's you can adjust to these changes which provides more consistency.
Plus, the best throat hit comes from warmer vapor (along with higher nic strength). Warmer vapor comes with 5 volt or variable volt PV's. The difference in both vaping consistency and throat hit from these type of PV's over ANY 3.7 volt PV is significant.
If money was no issue, I would suggest the new variable volt Darwin from nhaler.com. Unlike any other VV PV, the built in processor in the Darwin automatically adjusts the wattage level to compensate for the changes in the atty's resistence as you vape over time. It provides the ultimate consistent vaping experience at any level the user prefers.
Plus, the best throat hit comes from warmer vapor (along with higher nic strength). Warmer vapor comes with 5 volt or variable volt PV's. The difference in both vaping consistency and throat hit from these type of PV's over ANY 3.7 volt PV is significant.
If money was no issue, I would suggest the new variable volt Darwin from nhaler.com. Unlike any other VV PV, the built in processor in the Darwin automatically adjusts the wattage level to compensate for the changes in the atty's resistence as you vape over time. It provides the ultimate consistent vaping experience at any level the user prefers.
consistancy is an advantage of VV, as batts drain the voltage drops, with trial an error an experienced operator can dial up voltage to compensate drop in performance and maintain vape production. this however is beyond me and i just hit it more when my batts are about to die
You can shop forever, and try many different cartomizers and atomizers. They are not all the same, there is quite a bit of difference. On a VV, you can make almost all of them work the way you like by changing the voltage. Different mixes of E-liquid vape differently depending how many volts you slam into them also. Some juices like lower voltage in the same atomizer and higher in others. The idea behind VV is to put you in controll, instead of your battery calling the shots or one particular brand of cartomizer/atomizer. It's horrible to be locked into one product, and hope they are not out of stock, or charging you too much. Wonderful to have options, and shop different vendors, and try different products.
It's all about freedom to vape how you want, and custom tailor your vaping experience.
It's all about freedom to vape how you want, and custom tailor your vaping experience.
Thanks for all of the input. I still have a lot to learn, but perhaps Santa will bring me a Provari or Darwin next year. Until then, I'll experience with some LR attys and see if I can detect a difference. I have some coming next week. This could definitely become an expensive hobby. Just glad to be off the analogs (day 5)...and looking for the next big thing that will keep me on the right track.
Thanks again. If if weren't for ECF, I would have given up after the Blu. Didn't realize that quitting could be so easy.
Thanks again. If if weren't for ECF, I would have given up after the Blu. Didn't realize that quitting could be so easy.
omg he mentioned hobby glad im not the only 1 looking at this now not as an addiction
Sirogre - I actually quit successfully for 1.5 years (After 24 years at that time) and actively decided that I enjoyed smoking and that I was going to start again. I have no intention of quitting...so I guess it's now a hobby. I enjoy it...and NUMEROUS non-smokers said "we're glad to have you back" when I started smoking again. It's who I am, and I'm a miserable person without it (even after 36 months). It works for me, and discovering this alternative was a life changing moment for me. So yes...a hobby...a passion...call it what you want. Now I just need to understand this "resistance" thing.
Yep, easy when you put in some research time. Lot of poor souls get nailed coming out of gate with bad combos for what they need to quit. I was one of them... quite a bit of money later, and me and the wife were home free.
I just ordered the ProVari.... can't .....ing wait.... bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Resistance is simple, look for vendors that are selling 2.0 ohm or 2.7 ohm or any number ohm atty or carto. If they aren't labeled or have information on the actual number of ohms, look elsewhere.
The numbers just give you a reference point, such as "I like 2.4 ohm on my ....." I'ts the difference between selling juice labeled 30mg/mL, 20mg, 10mg, etc and labeled High - Med - Low, if you know what number you like it's easy to pick.
Warmer vapor does give better TH, but warmer vapor comes from higher wattage, not necessarily higher voltage.
On my eGo/Riva/T-Rex batteries (3.4V) I use 1.5 Ω atomizers, for 7.7 watts. On my 3.7V PV (4.2V dropping to 3.9) I use 2.6 Ω atomizers, for 6.78 watts dropping to 5.85 watts. On my 5V PT (4.5V actually) I use 3 Ω atomizers, for 6.75 watts. My lowest voltage PV actually has the highest wattage. So higher voltage does not always mean warmer vapor.
Granted, a 5V device makes it easier to get warmer vapor and VV PVs make it easier to find the perfect spot.
I like it easier, not more complicated. Standard atomizers and cartomizers are abundant. Keeping track of which ohm atty is a pain, IMO. Variable volt, especially one like the Darwin that automatically adjusts, just makes vaping easier, less complicated and much more consistent.
Just a shame the design on the darwin is absolute fail. Exposed LCD screen, and only one battery, swivel atomizer connection, and box mod looks. For one very small tech difference, you sacrifice too much.
the Darwin is nice but I believe the Provari from Provape was the first to use the power regulated circuit, which keeps the volts " watts" at a constant no matter atty resistance or battery level..
I first tried the blu e-cigs (big mistake) and eventually got a puresmoker prodigy (6v) and the difference is huge. Its a truly satisfying vaping experience if you're coming from analogs. Before I would still have cravings for analogs but with the HV vape I really had no cravings at all. Definitely worth it imho.
i was kinda looking around for a reply on the low resistance atomizers' difference than that of a usual ones
Anyone care to share?
Anyone care to share?
Interesting that you say that. There was actually a study that was done about 10 years ago or so on the use of nicotine for the treatment of psychiatric patients. They found that the use of nicotine patches was actually more effective in treating certain psychiatric disorders than more conventional medications (primarily the MAOI's and SSRI's if my memory hasn't failed me, which is possible). The study was done in England if I recall correctly, and the AMA and the APA refused to recognize it... This may have changed over the last 10 years, and there may be more recent studies, but I haven't looked into it lately. I'll see if I can find the original study again if anyone is interested.
Like you, I enjoyed smoking and had no intentions on quitting. But then I discovered vaping, and all was good in the world.
Sorry for sidetracking the discussion. To get back on topic, wattage is what you really need to concentrate on. Voltage is just one factor in achieving the wattage you enjoy vaping at. Personally, I prefer vaping in the 7 to 9 watt range. A P16 with an IMR battery and a 1.5 to 2.0 ohm atty gives me that.
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