Yes.
But!
This is why so many look so negative.
It's like I'm being begged to counter with...
And some will invariably fail.
Because some will.
No other reason. No way around it.
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But!
This is why so many look so negative.
It's like I'm being begged to counter with...
And some will invariably fail.
Because some will.
No other reason. No way around it.
Tapatyped
Excellent point. They've never tried to satisfy everybody. There's a group that wants as much or less than a ProVari can deliver. They will love it. Then there's those who need something else...they won't love it. Like beckdg....he sold his. Without trashing the product. It doesn't fit his needs, yet he still acknowledges the quality and craftsmanship of the device. He even complimented the company as a whole. All the while, he found what fits his needs.
The folks that crack me up are the ones who feel the need to try and slam a device that they know nothing about and wasn't designed for them in the first place. Or it's price point doesn't fit their budget.... therefore , it's a giant POS waste of money. Geez. They're not for everyone...
Provaris are well made mods with great customer service.
A lot of the flak they get came from the Provari fanatics and their fevered support.
Quite frankly, every Provari thread goes the same way.
Up until the Radius, provaris all had limited power, and were not able to accommodate a sub ohm build.
Some vapers saw this a turn off, while the "Provaritini" address the concern with "who needs higher wattage and sub ohm capability?"
And "Provape doesn't get into the sub ohm/higher wattage scene and never will".
Turns out they were all quite wrong, but try and get them to ever admit it.
The negative image associated with the brand owners sure turned me off.
A lot of the flak they get came from the Provari fanatics and their fevered support.
Quite frankly, every Provari thread goes the same way.
Up until the Radius, provaris all had limited power, and were not able to accommodate a sub ohm build.
Some vapers saw this a turn off, while the "Provaritini" address the concern with "who needs higher wattage and sub ohm capability?"
And "Provape doesn't get into the sub ohm/higher wattage scene and never will".
Turns out they were all quite wrong, but try and get them to ever admit it.
The negative image associated with the brand owners sure turned me off.
Provaris are well made mods with great customer service.
And "Provape doesn't get into the sub ohm/higher wattage scene and never will".
Turns out they were all quite wrong, but try and get them to ever admit it.
The negative image associated with the brand owners sure turned me off.
I will never own a Provari because i never liked their shape , i have used them however , and know they are a much higher quality mod than most stuff on the market these days .
I don't hink Provari was wrong by saying they are not a believer in high wattage sub ohm , now if they said high wattage and sub ohm will never be popular then they will be wrong , don't know if they ever said that .
Just because i never wanted to own one doesn't mean you can't be honest and appreciate their exceptional quality . I also think many Provari owners are a complete waste of time arguing with , same goes for REO owners as well , both groups aggravate the he_ _ out of me but there is no denying both are superb mods.
The fanatics in all camps drive me nuts. I like reos and ProVari. But I'm OK if you don't. It's the folks who vehemently hate them and try to trash them for no good reason that I'll argue with. Why? Well, it's sorta fun arguing with them.
First said by Provape.
Then it was mostly parroted by the fanatics.
Then Provape released the Radius with more power and sub ohm capabilities.
Oops. So much for the fanatics that bashed sub ohm vaping.
No one is knocking the quality.
I like the REO, and Provape.
The REOnos probably the best made bottom feeder available anywhere in the world.
I like Provape. They build extremely nice products, and stand behind every single one (more so than REO).
Both companies do have their faults.
I only argue with the fanatics that refuse to accept that there isn't a single device that can fill every vapers needs.
I am the same. I just don't like when ignorant people tell me I am stupid for owning something they wouldn't justify buying or can't afford.
I love my Provaris, but won't bother arguing with someone that believes that owning 5 or 6 iSticks is a smarter decision than owning one Radius. (I own multiple iSticks BTW). No different than believing owning 400 Timex watches is better than one Patek Philippe, 20 Kias is better than a Porsche, etc.
I love my $30 Kanger and $35 Reuleaux mods. Great devices. Would I chose either over my Provaris if I could only have one or two devices for many years? Not a chance.
I am not a true fanboy of anything really and I have no problem calling out any manufacturer for bad quality and/or service (including ProVape, which I have on ECF when I had an issue) but Provaris are quality IME. I prefer them but own a bunch of different brands that I also enjoy.
YMMV.
First said by Provape.
Then it was mostly parroted by the fanatics.
Then Provape released the Radius with more power and sub ohm capabilities.
Oops. So much for the fanatics that bashed sub ohm vaping.
No one is knocking the quality.
Thanks for the explanation , yeah it sounds like even if they don't believe in mega wattage and sub ohm they realize that to keep the business profitable they have to go with it.
Exactly what I would think a company should do.
It was a very wise move, and the Radius is a fine device.
Which is why they looked so silly when they initially refused to acknowledge sub ohm vaping, and higher wattage mods.
Stevie Wonder could see where this was going.
Vaping is an extremely fast changing landscape. Companies that refuse to evolve will become extinct.
I guess they finally figured that out.
Good for them. They are one of the few truely legit companies in this industry.
@SmilingWolf the cloupor mini is quite noticeably larger than the istick 30 watt IME. Still small overall, mind you.
@Asbestos4004
The problem as I see it... the provari debate isn't one based in reality discussing the true merits of retail products as it should be. It's a defensive, emotional counter attack where one person sees another person's opinion of a product as an attack on them personally.
Then we get irrational statements such as suggesting a quality US product should price match the next PRC product flying off the shelf, countering the fact that ALL PCB's will have a certain failure rate with the irrational "yeah, but it's this special class of PCB" as if that's going to change the fact that there's still going to be failures.
ETC.
Its silly, emotional and childish with childish logic and stretching of what one could call the truth to justify a product.
Who cares? You like it or you don't.
Best damn regulated products under 40 watts and without extra features. That's the bottom line. If that's your cup of tea and you want the best, buy provape.
No need to expand it to "most reliable mod EVAR!!!!". Regulated cannot be more reliable than mechanical. It's impossible. There's intricate, delicate components in every regulated mod with dozens to hundreds more fail points than the single digit count in EVERY mech mod.
@Bad Ninja
Yep... fevered support. I was almost convinced the damn thing would beat me up in the morning and serve me steak, eggs, OJ and coffee at one point. (You get my drift)
One fan spoke of crying for 3 days after receiving the provari SHE PAID FOR HERSELF.
And yes, they were wrong. I made the mistake of mentioning that at one point... how all of a sudden provape is okay with above 15 watts and the world hasn't ended. Also mentioned 40 watts won't be their climax.
Didn't go over well. Wasn't accepted as possible.[emoji38]We'll see.
@herb
Provape was wrong in saying they'd never go above a certain threshold...
Because that threshold was artificially low and based on a lie that their followers believed, defended and justified.
They said anything higher was dangerous... then later they proved themselves wrong.
@Asbestos4004
Again, it's not just the hater side of the fanbois. It's both extreme and blind sides of any camp IMHO.
@Bad Ninja
I would argue that the REOs aren't the best built BF mods. Unless you consider production. There's a handful of modders making better performing products that stand up just as well or better capable of a wider array of builds with better materials.
Not many. And they're no production facilities by any stretch. Not even by Robs standards. Which admittedly are impressive for a garage out in the snow.
@BreSha6869
Good points all around.
Tapatyped
@Asbestos4004
The problem as I see it... the provari debate isn't one based in reality discussing the true merits of retail products as it should be. It's a defensive, emotional counter attack where one person sees another person's opinion of a product as an attack on them personally.
Then we get irrational statements such as suggesting a quality US product should price match the next PRC product flying off the shelf, countering the fact that ALL PCB's will have a certain failure rate with the irrational "yeah, but it's this special class of PCB" as if that's going to change the fact that there's still going to be failures.
ETC.
Its silly, emotional and childish with childish logic and stretching of what one could call the truth to justify a product.
Who cares? You like it or you don't.
Best damn regulated products under 40 watts and without extra features. That's the bottom line. If that's your cup of tea and you want the best, buy provape.
No need to expand it to "most reliable mod EVAR!!!!". Regulated cannot be more reliable than mechanical. It's impossible. There's intricate, delicate components in every regulated mod with dozens to hundreds more fail points than the single digit count in EVERY mech mod.
@Bad Ninja
Yep... fevered support. I was almost convinced the damn thing would beat me up in the morning and serve me steak, eggs, OJ and coffee at one point. (You get my drift)
One fan spoke of crying for 3 days after receiving the provari SHE PAID FOR HERSELF.
And yes, they were wrong. I made the mistake of mentioning that at one point... how all of a sudden provape is okay with above 15 watts and the world hasn't ended. Also mentioned 40 watts won't be their climax.
Didn't go over well. Wasn't accepted as possible.[emoji38]We'll see.
@herb
Provape was wrong in saying they'd never go above a certain threshold...
Because that threshold was artificially low and based on a lie that their followers believed, defended and justified.
They said anything higher was dangerous... then later they proved themselves wrong.
@Asbestos4004
Again, it's not just the hater side of the fanbois. It's both extreme and blind sides of any camp IMHO.
@Bad Ninja
I would argue that the REOs aren't the best built BF mods. Unless you consider production. There's a handful of modders making better performing products that stand up just as well or better capable of a wider array of builds with better materials.
Not many. And they're no production facilities by any stretch. Not even by Robs standards. Which admittedly are impressive for a garage out in the snow.
@BreSha6869
Good points all around.
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