Provari?

[brummyjon]

The reliability and build quality of most new products is increasing all the time. The days when you have to pay Provari money for Provari reliability are numbered. They might even be here now. The problem Provari have is they are now producing products behind the curve of what people want. They denied that variable wattage was a desirable feature for a long time (and their supporters with them). Finally they caved in, and added variable wattage, but with no great fanfare. They probably felt a little embarrassed. They came out with a 40w box mod at a time when most manufacturers had moved on from that. The build quality and customer service I believe are excellent. But Chinese manufacturers have proved to be far more nimble at responding to customer needs.
There are many for whom a 'Made in USA' logo is important. There are many who dislike Chinese products automatically. But there are many great products available now at a great price.
(And it is important to remember too that it is a Chinaman who brought the ecig to market, saving millions of lives in the process... but I digress...)
A final thought - I have a Sony Walkman - the underwater version - purchased in the mid 80s. Very solid device. Still works like a dream, and plays cassettes perfectly. But I don't use it now. Things have moved on. And some things are just better built than they need to be.

 

[choochoogranny]

Welcome back, Rob4092. You might want to check out the Tootle Puffer thread for some pointers.

 

[herb]

The reliability and build quality of most new products is increasing all the time. The days when you have to pay Provari money for Provari reliability are numbered. They might even be here now. The problem Provari have is they are now producing products behind the curve of what people want. They denied that variable wattage was a desirable feature for a long time (and their supporters with them). Finally they caved in, and added variable wattage, but with no great fanfare. They probably felt a little embarrassed. They came out with a 40w box mod at a time when most manufacturers had moved on from that. The build quality and customer service I believe are excellent. But Chinese manufacturers have proved to be far more nimble at responding to customer needs.
There are many for whom a 'Made in USA' logo is important. There are many who dislike Chinese products automatically. But there are many great products available now at a great price.
(And it is important to remember too that it is a Chinaman who brought the ecig to market, saving millions of lives in the process... but I digress...)
A final thought - I have a Sony Walkman - the underwater version - purchased in the mid 80s. Very solid device. Still works like a dream, and plays cassettes perfectly. But I don't use it now. Things have moved on. And some things are just better built than they need to be.

I don't buy that at all but i respect your opinion.

Provari, even today and despite their popularity falling off is still a vastly superior built product to what you see a lot of nowadays . Do you really believe all these mods flooding the market are built better and are on par with Provari quality ?

I don't think they are even remotely close.

 

[Alter]

My provari 2.5 is almost 3 years old and still goes with me to work everyday. I bought a LUC 2 bay Oct 2013 and she still charging my batts even though I have a 2nd brand new LUC in the closet I bought in the same coop and haven't used. The only thing I've changed are my attys, started with Ce4's to protanks to kayfuns and now kanger subtanks. I build a subtank coil to fire the provari. So far my provari is the most reliable PV I own.

 

[JUDGMENT AFFIRMED]

The days when you have to pay Provari money for Provari reliability are numbered. They might even be here now.

ProVari Regular & Mini Variable Voltage Ecig: Best Variable Voltage E Cig Available!

My 2.5 will be 3yrs old in April and at those prices They dropped the price AGAIN.

 

[Asbestos4004]

The reliability and build quality of most new products is increasing all the time. The days when you have to pay Provari money for Provari reliability are numbered. They might even be here now. The problem Provari have is they are now producing products behind the curve of what people want. They denied that variable wattage was a desirable feature for a long time (and their supporters with them). Finally they caved in, and added variable wattage, but with no great fanfare. They probably felt a little embarrassed. They came out with a 40w box mod at a time when most manufacturers had moved on from that. The build quality and customer service I believe are excellent. But Chinese manufacturers have proved to be far more nimble at responding to customer needs.
There are many for whom a 'Made in USA' logo is important. There are many who dislike Chinese products automatically. But there are many great products available now at a great price.
(And it is important to remember too that it is a Chinaman who brought the ecig to market, saving millions of lives in the process... but I digress...)
A final thought - I have a Sony Walkman - the underwater version - purchased in the mid 80s. Very solid device. Still works like a dream, and plays cassettes perfectly. But I don't use it now. Things have moved on. And some things are just better built than they need to be.

if "behind the curve" means it will only cater to 80+% of the vaping community, then you're right!

Welcome back OP! For your Nautilus and any other low wattage tank you may want to use, you can't beat a ProVari. If you want to use some of the many sub ohm tanks that run in the high watts, it's going to let you down. I went through all the high wattage stuff.....there's some great devices out there. Lots of fun to be had experimenting. I've had my fun and now I'm back to what works for me.

 

[beckdg]

I don't buy that at all but i respect your opinion.

Provari, even today and despite their popularity falling off is still a vastly superior built product to what you see a lot of nowadays . Do you really believe all these mods flooding the market are built better and are on par with Provari quality ?

I don't think they are even remotely close.

My go to mods will all outlast a provari.

Every one of them.

And they fit my vaping needs.

My provaris didn't. So I sold them to people who could use them.

Great company. Great mods. Just not for me.

Tapatyped

 

[brummyjon]

I don't buy that at all but i respect your opinion.

Provari, even today and despite their popularity falling off is still a vastly superior built product to what you see a lot of nowadays . Do you really believe all these mods flooding the market are built better and are on par with Provari quality ?

I don't think they are even remotely close.

Yes, I think they are generally build better than they used to be. I know it is a slightly different thing, but my Kanger toptank is build much better than my Protank was. Much more solid construction. The same applies to mods. I would not buy a bargain basement mod from an unknown manufacturer. But most commentators accept that the Evic Mini (to use an example) is a pretty solid, well made mod. They have sold those by the bucketload, and I don't know of any issues that have been reported. I agree that the Provari Radius comes in a slightly sexier box (if you like the plastic that they use), but the difference is surely not as great as the price difference would suggest. Particularly is you factor in 75w vs 40w capability. Not everyone needs 75w, of course. But also not everyone needs a mod that is designed to survive a nuclear war.
Are most Chinese mods as well built as a Bentley? No. Are they better than they used to be? Absolutely. Are they fit for purpose? With a few exceptions, yes.

 

[brummyjon]

if "behind the curve" means it will only cater to 80+% of the vaping community, then you're right!

Welcome back OP! For your Nautilus and any other low wattage tank you may want to use, you can't beat a ProVari. If you want to use some of the many sub ohm tanks that run in the high watts, it's going to let you down. I went through all the high wattage stuff.....there's some great devices out there. Lots of fun to be had experimenting. I've had my fun and now I'm back to what works for me.

Yes, I suppose that is what I mean. But we all know how the 80:20 rule works. 80% of vapers are only 20% of the market. And the growth in the market is currently in the higher wattage market, which provari do not serve. It is comparable to Apple saying 'our phone size is perfect, our phone size is perfect...' and then realising that they don't make what people want. then, lo and behold, a bigger phone.
Without innovation, vaping will not attract the people required to save lives. Provari are no longer innovators. They need to keep up, and look closely at their pricing, or soon there may be no more new provaris.

 

[brummyjon]

ProVari Regular & Mini Variable Voltage Ecig: Best Variable Voltage E Cig Available!

My 2.5 will be 3yrs old in April and at those prices They dropped the price AGAIN.

Oh, that price is admittedly more like it.

 

[edyle]

I was a Vapor fan up until about two years ago. Just got tired of it. At the time, Provari was considered the Cadillac of mods.

Well, I am back into vaping and still have my Provari 2's. Are there better products out there these days???

Is the Provari still considered top of the line?

I use Nautilis tanks.

I am not a sub-ohm vapor. I usually vape around 7 watts. Anything above that tastes burnt to me.

Thanks all!!!!

Cadillac? More like the Benz.

The thing to watch for these days is temperature control.

The provari/provape radius is software upgradeable, so perhaps provape will add in temperature control in the future.

People who drive (or are driven in) Mercedes benz usually have a few other cars, so I suppose people who use provari's also have a few other mods.

 

[beckdg]

People who drive Mercedes own the road.

Often driving at whatever speed they want and into whatever lane they happen to drift into completely ignoring anything around them...

Because they own the road.

I make my career keeping them from imminent death when it's my truck they believe belongs atop their vehicles at 70 plus mph.

Not the "elitist" group I want to be paralleled with, personally.

Tapatyped

 

[Asbestos4004]

Yes, I suppose that is what I mean. But we all know how the 80:20 rule works. 80% of vapers are only 20% of the market. And the growth in the market is currently in the higher wattage market, which provari do not serve. It is comparable to Apple saying 'our phone size is perfect, our phone size is perfect...' and then realising that they don't make what people want. then, lo and behold, a bigger phone.
Without innovation, vaping will not attract the people required to save lives. Provari are no longer innovators. They need to keep up, and look closely at their pricing, or soon there may be no more new provaris.

I agree with alot of what you say...and I like the way you say it. I think the word "innovation" automatically gets associated with high wattage and temp control....maybe Bluetooth capabilities. It's a broader definition though. A ProVari Radius is arguably the most efficient, accurate and dependable 40w mod on the market. It gets more out of a single 18650 than any other mod I own. By far. To me, that's innovation that affects me. Temp control? 200w? Yes, innovative. I have other mods for that. I'm guessing provape will continue to allow other manufacturers produce those devices. They've never been about catering to everyone. I don't think they'll disappear. Then again, who knows?

 

[Asbestos4004]

People who drive Mercedes own the road.

Often driving at whatever speed they want and into whatever lane they happen to drift into completely ignoring anything around them...

Because they own the road.

I make my career keeping them from imminent death when it's my truck they believe belongs atop their vehicles at 70 plus mph.

Not the "elitist" group I want to be paralleled with, personally.

Tapatyped

I don't see the ProVari or the REO crowd as elitists anymore... There was a time, to be sure. But now we have m-atty owners and Geppetto owners that make ProVari folks look like panhandlers. Today's elitists are a whole different breed.

 

[beckdg]

I don't see the ProVari or the REO crowd as elitists anymore... There was a time, to be sure. But now we have m-atty owners and Geppetto owners that make ProVari folks look like panhandlers. Today's elitists are a whole different breed.

Maybe they're driven in Bentleys?

:-X

Tapatyped

 

[Asbestos4004]

Maybe they're driven in Bentleys?

:-X

Tapatyped

 

[brummyjon]

I agree with alot of what you say...and I like the way you say it. I think the word "innovation" automatically gets associated with high wattage and temp control....maybe Bluetooth capabilities. It's a broader definition though. A ProVari Radius is arguably the most efficient, accurate and dependable 40w mod on the market. It gets more out of a single 18650 than any other mod I own. By far. To me, that's innovation that affects me. Temp control? 200w? Yes, innovative. I have other mods for that. I'm guessing provape will continue to allow other manufacturers produce those devices. They've never been about catering to everyone. I don't think they'll disappear. Then again, who knows?

There is a lot to be said for efficiency, dependability and accuracy, for sure. And the Radius is certainly attractive....

 

[herb]

My go to mods will all outlast a provari.

Every one of them.

And they fit my vaping needs.

My provaris didn't. So I sold them to people who could use them.

Great company. Great mods. Just not for me.

Tapatyped

Don't know how you can say that since you sold your Provari's . The fact that your Provari's didn't fit your vaping needs has absolutely nothing to do with a Provari's superior build and engineering quality.

 

[beckdg]

Don't know how you can say that since you sold your Provari's . The fact that your Provari's didn't fit your vaping needs has absolutely nothing to do with a Provari's superior build and engineering quality.

Don't change the fact.

I've already had 1 provari fail on me and have to be sent back for repair.

The mods I use now, that won't be happening with. Ever...

I can dead short them, dunk them in salt water, smash out a windshield and vape them dripping wet every day for the rest of my life.

And never send them back for repair.

Can't say that about ANY provari.

Tapatyped

 

[herb]

Yes, I think they are generally build better than they used to be. I know it is a slightly different thing, but my Kanger toptank is build much better than my Protank was. Much more solid construction. The same applies to mods. I would not buy a bargain basement mod from an unknown manufacturer. But most commentators accept that the Evic Mini (to use an example) is a pretty solid, well made mod. They have sold those by the bucketload, and I don't know of any issues that have been reported. I agree that the Provari Radius comes in a slightly sexier box (if you like the plastic that they use), but the difference is surely not as great as the price difference would suggest. Particularly is you factor in 75w vs 40w capability. Not everyone needs 75w, of course. But also not everyone needs a mod that is designed to survive a nuclear war.
Are most Chinese mods as well built as a Bentley? No. Are they better than they used to be? Absolutely. Are they fit for purpose? With a few exceptions, yes.

Not talking about tanks just mods . Also not talking about how sexy a mod is , imo most mods made today are not only much cheaper in price but much cheaper in overall build quality . P4U for example still uses great chipset's but their build quality took a dive , everything they have released over the last year and a half now hits the market with a suggested retail price of around $58.00 .

Before that all their mods had a suggested retail of over $100.00 but they were built to last , not these days they aren't.

Don't change the fact.

I've already had 1 provari fail on me and have to be sent back for repair.

The mods I use now, that won't be happening with. Ever...

I can dead short them, dunk them in salt water, smash out a windshield and vape them dripping wet every day for the rest of my life.

And never send them back for repair.

Can't say that about ANY provari.

Tapatyped

Sounds like your vaping mods that don't exist , i knew you were going to comeback with all my Provari's failed lol .