Question about juices.

[theramsey3]

First and foremost hello everyone, I have been a long time lurker but not a member, I registered yesterday.

I am not new to forums and have searched but haven't found the answer I looked for. I will give a brief (I'll try to keep it that way) description of my background and a specific question.

I am about to make my first order for an e-cig, I am going to get the KR808D-1 with 2) 280mah manual batteries, 5) cartomizers, and obviously a charger. I am going to hold off on a PCC until I feel that I will make this a for sure thing. Now on to the real question I pretty much know the difference between PG and VG. PG is sweeter and usually thinner/has less viscosity but at the expense of vapor production. VG is less sweet and usually thicker/more viscosity but produces better vapor. I only have a limited amount of money to work with so I dont want to buy a bunch of juices I wont like I have the option between 50/50 PG/VG or 100% VG I have choosen 10ml watermelon, 10ml blueberry x2, 10ml cotton candy and 10ml red marlboro(USA mix) the manufacture is going to be either dekang or boge for all of them (depending on what is in stock at the time of shipment). which should I choose the 50/50 PG/VG or 100% VG. If you don't mind please explain why you like one over the other.

Any help offered is greatly appreciated.

 

[swedishfish]

My favorite juice happens to be nahlers and that's PG. Good flavor, good TH, good vapor doesn't clog cartos or change flavor based on the type of carto I'm using. If I order from another vendor I get 80pg/20vg, 70/30, something like that. Too thick clogs up cartos and flavor seems a little muted (to me) in dual coil cartos which shouldn't apply to you with a KR808.

Everyone has different tastes. My mom has COPD so I ordered her all VG when she started. She said it gave her a 'heavy' feeling in the chest when she vaped it. Some people seem to prefer it.

BTW, VG is sweeter than PG

 

[JustaGuy]

Welcome, theramsey3! May you have as much success vapign as Ramses II with with his public works.

I read VG was sweeter, but both types get sweetened. Some suppliers let you choose whether to sweeten. Flavors like watermelon will be sweet. Boge is a subsidiary of Dekang, so supposedly the same. As to your last question, what % of each, can't help you. Every, I mean every, person's preference is different. Fraid you'll have to see for yourself. I like VG (pending supplier, not always thicker) because PG irritates my throat and I don't trust it, though both probably come from Dow Chemical! I don't care much for TH either, so...your preference can and probably WILL be completely different than mine. That is why we all blow so much dough on vaping, must find our own.

 

[bryansthl]

I recomend you get one of each being one pg and one vg and give them a try and decide. I use vg in a ce2 cartomizer and it works fine. I found the longer you let the vg set after mixing it the better the flavor gets.
I get a sore throat and the corners of my mouth get sore from pg.

 

[miniahha]

I have been experimenting with DIY and I do not care for any of them individually... meaning, I don't care for straight PG, VG or the 50/50. I seem to have the best luck with combing the PG and VG, just at a different ratio. 80PG/20VG seems to give me the better flavor and vape. That's my preference, someone else may like it better with the opposite ratio. Sort of like how you like your bacon cooked... crisp, soft, etc. Good luck with your search for the best formula for you.

 

[theramsey3]

Thanks for the quick responses. I will probably order some 50/50 and some 100% VG to figure out which kind I like. I'm on the mobile now so I'm going to keep it short.

 

[zoiDman]

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Now on to the real question I pretty much know the difference between PG and VG. PG is sweeter and usually thinner/has less viscosity but at the expense of vapor production. VG is less sweet and usually thicker/more viscosity but produces better vapor. ...

Sounds like you have done your homework and I see nothing wrong with your choice of PV or your e-Liquids. I will say this though about PG and VG.

Most people consider VG to be much Sweeter than PG. VG main role is to produce Vapor. Where as PG main role is to produce TH.

For someone new to all this, I think 50% PG to 50% VG is a great palce to start. After you get the hang of the entire e-Cig thing you can perhaps fine tune the PG to VG ratio to your taste.

Me, I like to see huge plumes of Vapor and don't really care about TH. I also like sweet flavors. So I run a higher amount of VG. But that's just me.

 

[Scotay87]

First and foremost hello everyone, I have been a long time lurker but not a member, I registered yesterday.

I am not new to forums and have searched but haven't found the answer I looked for. I will give a brief (I'll try to keep it that way) description of my background and a specific question.

I am about to make my first order for an e-cig, I am going to get the KR808D-1 with 2) 280mah manual batteries, 5) cartomizers, and obviously a charger. I am going to hold off on a PCC until I feel that I will make this a for sure thing. Now on to the real question I pretty much know the difference between PG and VG. PG is sweeter and usually thinner/has less viscosity but at the expense of vapor production. VG is less sweet and usually thicker/more viscosity but produces better vapor. I only have a limited amount of money to work with so I dont want to buy a bunch of juices I wont like I have the option between 50/50 PG/VG or 100% VG I have choosen 10ml watermelon, 10ml blueberry x2, 10ml cotton candy and 10ml red marlboro(USA mix) the manufacture is going to be either dekang or boge for all of them (depending on what is in stock at the time of shipment). which should I choose the 50/50 PG/VG or 100% VG. If you don't mind please explain why you like one over the other.

Any help offered is greatly appreciated.

Not to dissuade you on your choice of pvs I too started with an 808 and purchased more batts to keep up with my vaping needs... In less than a month I was ordering the Inferno kit ego clone to get a batter battery life. I would strongly suggest to reconsider your choice on batts and get the basic eGo kit from liberty flights. You get 2 batts that would be the equivalent to 4 standard 808s plus 2 attys and some cartridges that are now obsolete. Add some boge cartos and driptip maybe a 510-901/808 adapter for some prefilleds and you are out the for less than 60 bucks including shipping.... Get some juice and you pretty much set besides an eGo usb pass through...

 

[zerominusone]

You'd get better flavor with the 50/50. Best of both worlds.

 

[BWG707]

I order all my juices 50%/50%. I like the TH and the viscosity of it.

 

[JustaGuy]

I have the 808 & 510, 7 batts total + PCC. If I had to do over, I would've started on eGo/Riva kits, getting one now. Some folks are fine with those tiny Blu batts, so it depends.

p.s. since each batt regardless of capacity is good for 300 charges, the bigger batts are better deals if you think about it.

 

[bnwortham]

I like mine 50/50 as well

 

[theramsey3]

I have heard the 2 best starters are the Joye 510 and the KR808D-1 for simplicity, and vapor production. I really don't mind so much the shorter battery life. I only smoke 1 pack every 2-3 days of analogs if I am not drinking. When I drink I have a tendency to smoke about 3/4 of a pack in a night which usually equates to about a pack for the whole day. I have found 380mah batteries for the 808 at Electronic Cigarette Supplies & Electronic Cigarette Refills for Name-Brand Electronic Cigarettes! E-Cigs from LiteCigUSA for $12.95 each. I am going to be ordering everything from them.

 

[zargon]

When I mix up a batch for myself, I start with PG blended Nicotine (54mg), add the flavoring which is usually pg/vg blended, and then add enough straight VG to make the batch 27mg. Best I can figure its about 65pg/35vg. This mixture seems to have a nice slightly sweet flavor and is still thick enough not to leak into my battery.

 

[zoiDman]

When I mix up a batch for myself, I start with PG blended Nicotine (54mg), add the flavoring which is usually pg/vg blended, and then add enough straight VG to make the batch 27mg. Best I can figure its about 65pg/35vg. This mixture seems to have a nice slightly sweet flavor and is still thick enough not to leak into my battery.

If you start with 54mg PG Nicotine Base and cut the strength in half by adding VG and Flavorings, sounds like your closer to 50:50 than your are to 65:35.

I could be wrong though. It's been hot all day and there are about 9 empty beer bottle on the patio table.

 

[theramsey3]

I forgot to mention that I am a correctional officer sergeant so... size could be an issue too I need something that isn't the size of a cigar, I really love this site you guys are great. I was slightly disapointed with the PCC's for the 808 but you have to take the bad with the good right???

 

[Puffadder]

Many people start with a 510 or KR808-D1 kit and are perfectly happy with it. Some look for more and some like different PV's for different uses. So you are probably fine with starting with an 808. Lets focus on your main question with the juice. Is there a particular reason you are set on the Dekang / Boge Juices? There are many great suppliers that custom mix juices. Look in the Forum Suppliers section for one that specialize in juices.

If you want to conserve cash at first (and most of us do) I would stick with 1 flavor at first in different ratios. Get a sample in all PG one in all VG and one in 50/50 to see which way you lean. There are also vendors that will give you any ratio you ask for (usually in 10% increments) so you can fine tune. Once you have an idea of which ratio works best then explore other flavors. You do need to keep ion mind that some flavors work better in different ratio's. For instance you may prefer tobacco's in a 70 pg / 30 VG but find the sweet flavors work best for you in 50/50 mixes.

One final note is that the PV system you are choosing mainly uses cartomizers. VG is a thicker liquid and doesn't always work well with cartos in high concentrations. If you really want to stick with VG as the main base then you might need to thin your juices with distilled water. If this is the case order a slightly higher nic level and look for vendors that offer flavor shots so that you can boost the taste back up after dilution. With cartos most people recommend no more than 20 - 30% VG in the mix. Your cartos will also tend to last longer with clearer juices than the dark ones.

I know this is a lot to take in at once so ask as many questions as needed.

 

[throatkick]

Initially, all the options etc. can be viewed as a negative. As you get into vaping, you will see that this flexibility is one of the greatest assets!

I am in the camp that would recommend covering the spectrum as much as possible. This way you will know and can settle on ordering your daily vape. From there on, you can slowly start to experiment.

 

[Scotay87]

I forgot to mention that I am a correctional officer sergeant so... size could be an issue too I need something that isn't the size of a cigar, I really love this site you guys are great. I was slightly disapointed with the PCC's for the 808 but you have to take the bad with the good right???

... Did not know there was a stealth issue.... Just an FYI an eGo batt with a 510-901/808 adapter and cartomizer is approximately .5" longer than a standard 808 battery with a cartomizer..... Was simply tying to save you the mistake I made in buying more 808s kits to get more vaping time....

 

[bobsyeruncle]

Ah, well. If you like e-cigarettes but sometimes need the small size, you could always consider two kits. An 808 when you're out (have you tried the 808 XL PCC?) and a Riva 510 or Ego at home. But the Riva and Ego are about the size of a Sharpie; i.e. not that big really.

You can also hide most of a REO Mini in your hand. Just pretend you're huffing on a juice box or your ciggie straight from the package.