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So, like any good vaper, I've been thinking about getting a VV mod. In regards to VV I don't mean using different combos of batteries just the "turn a dial or screw" varieties. My question for all you experienced users is this:

Do you find/feel that the ability to check the carto/atty ohms (such as the Darwin or Provari) is really beneficial to finding that "sweet spot?" If you have a VV with just the volt adjustment, have you ever found yourself wishing you could find out the ohms on the fly? Or is it just a nice feature with little practical benefit when it comes to going from "this doesn't taste quite right" to "ahhh there it is!"

I really hope that made sense.

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I have several VV mods and I think it would be a nice feature to be able to check the ohms through the PV but I'm not willing to pay a premium for it.

I check the ohms out of the box with my multimeter and periodically thereafter. What matters to me most is to be able to find my sweet spot with any atty and that's were vv is essential for me no matter what the ohms read.
 

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yeah I agree with ya nomo. I just started vaping vv. And I marked a spot on the wheel where I have metered it at 4v. but that is going to change to 5 soon. As long as I can meter it out I don't care. I might learn to put a indicator on it but that is for later on. So many things to learn when you start modding. Its more fun to make your own than spend 150+ on a pv. I do admit they do look awesome but if it works the same, for me anyways would be a waste of money.
 

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I don't even ever check my voltages any more, but once in a blue moon,,,, I throw on whatever Atty/Carto that I'm gonna use and just dial it in to where that sweet spot is, I could do it blind folded anymore too, the heck with the numbers its all in that Ahhhh There it is like you put it.!
 
It's just a novelty... Darwin is fun, and provari is just excellent, but their features are utterly useless IMO. Different combinations of juice and equipment will require a range of voltages/wattages.

That said, i think the kind that require a miniscrewdriver are a pain.

So you're left with the madvapes vv box ($35) and infinity/buzz-- and there are new versions coming out in a month
 

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I kind of agree with Gracchus Grey. Right now things are changing and some of the more sophisticated devices (Notice how discrete I'm being avoiding rousing the provari and darwin users with that sophisticated thing...oops!) seem to be having trouble with the dual coils. Right now I want a knob and maybe a voltmeter. Anything more is begging for obsolescence.
 

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I know for me, Provari owner; i have 2 of em, the big deal is the regulated variable power with what some call the "boost circuit"... the electronic chip that boosts the power when the battery charge drops through its cycle.
The power set is consistent throughout...
The Infinity and the Buzz have them... the Provari and the Darwin have easier adjusts; click of button, and dial respectively.
The new Buzz Pro and their VVPV, and the Eclipse will have them...

THe extra cost of this technology is what boosts the price; but imo worth the difference; these pv's are made in America, quality components and materials, and the markup is not exploitive.

I just bought a better pickup (newer than my old one) and i am loving the comfort and some luxuries...
i used to sleep on a lumpy mattress, for years. I finally got wise and invested in a fabulous night's sleep; got a great mattress ($$$)...
Ever since plunging in to vaping, I've tried most of the rest... now i got the best; imo.
 

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I kind of agree with Gracchus Grey. Right now things are changing and some of the more sophisticated devices (Notice how discrete I'm being avoiding rousing the provari and darwin users with that sophisticated thing...oops!) seem to be having trouble with the dual coils. Right now I want a knob and maybe a voltmeter. Anything more is begging for obsolescence.

I'm roused Mickey; as usual whether you post or not... :) "obsolescence"? Never!
I'm not the least regretting that i sold off my 3.7 pv's... or my regular vv's... certainly not for the fact of DC's coming on the scene... I mean it's debatable that they really are better than a perfectly matched and dripped atty on a regulated vv boost pv... i doubt it.
To me the only problem is the cost of attys...
not to mention the new Buzz Pro, Infinity Pro and VVPV will handle DC's.
 

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It could be nice to have it, it would help if you ara changing your type of cartos and attys all the time. But for me it works best begining the VV at a point, vape a little, and then turn it a little higher or lower, depending also on the moment of the day, my mood, the juice, after a suculent meal... Its allways diferent and the Darwin and Provari can´t know what I want. Even a computer as big as a house wouldn´t know how you feel about your vape at a certain moment. But if you like tech things, or like to show off, then the 200 and more $ stuff will be your thing. IMHO.
 

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range of voltage/wattages.... isn't that what you get with these?
you say their useless, but these (Vari/Darwin) are what give you that range, no?

It's just a novelty... Darwin is fun, and provari is just excellent, but their features are utterly useless IMO. Different combinations of juice and equipment will require a range of voltages/wattages.

That said, i think the kind that require a miniscrewdriver are a pain.

So you're left with the madvapes vv box ($35) and infinity/buzz-- and there are new versions coming out in a month
 

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I use an Infinity, and when I first got it, I checked the voltage at different points of the adjuster wheel. After about the 2nd day, I just start out around the center of the wheel (4.5ish volts), and go from there. I use cartomizers almost exclusively, and I find that I'm fine tuning the voltage throughout the life of each carto. A few puffs at around 4.5 volts, a few at 4, maybe up to 5 volts here or there. I guess my point is that I don't need the built-in voltage or resistance meters. I just go by taste.
 

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I'm roused Mickey; as usual whether you post or not... :) "obsolescence"? Never!
I'm not the least regretting that i sold off my 3.7 pv's... or my regular vv's... certainly not for the fact of DC's coming on the scene... I mean it's debatable that they really are better than a perfectly matched and dripped atty on a regulated vv boost pv... i doubt it.
To me the only problem is the cost of attys...
not to mention the new Buzz Pro, Infinity Pro and VVPV will handle DC's.

AWWWW C'mon Ukeman!!! You turned me on to 901s. Don't be mad! :)

In all seriousness though. Given the way things are moving and they are moving fast, I'm not sure buying fancy power supplies is a really good investment right now. I actually do like the new Buzz Pro, and Infinity Pro. They're more like what I was talking about. A VV with a pot. I'm not familiar with the VVPV. I have a problem with some of the things buzzkill is doing but, you still see me recommending them. I may even break down and buy one.

Answer a question or two for me. Maybe you can change my mind. Suppose I'm using a regulated VV with two 3.7V batteries in series and I vape between 4 and 5.5 volts. By the time I experience any significant fall off, the batteries are pretty much used anyway. It isn't that much trouble to give the knob a little bump, if I want to but, it's not going to get me very long. It's really time to go with another battery and put the ones I'm using on the charger. So, what does something like the provari or darwin do for me in this situation?

The fact that the darwin can automatically deal with resistance changes in the atomizer is kind of cool but, really again it's not that hard to make a slight adjustment manually. Besides, if the atomizer is changing that much, isn't it just time to clean or replace it? Adjusting to it just moves the time out a bit. What am I missing?
 

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I have used a Buzz pretty much exclusively since the beginning of December and will be among the first to order the new Buzz Pro in a few weeks. The only disadvantage I see that the original Buzz has compared to ProVari or Darwin as far as everyday use goes is that you need the screwdriver to change the voltage. The Buzz Pro eliminates this problem with an adjustment wheel. Another HUGE improvement in the Pro is a battery life extending circuitry. Beta testers are getting an average of 2X the life out of a charge with this thing. It will also have a master on/off switch and a new top cap design with a bigger juice well.
As far as an ohm reading goes, meh... I guess it'd be cool for a minute but I would never use it. I use the same damn cartos all the time and on the rare occasion that I wanna drip I just crank it up to where I know it's good for the attys I use. You learn the levels pretty fast. It's pretty easy to feel if you like the level even without checking the voltage IMO.
 

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It's just a novelty... Darwin is fun, and provari is just excellent, but their features are utterly useless IMO. Different combinations of juice and equipment will require a range of voltages/wattages.

That said, i think the kind that require a miniscrewdriver are a pain.

So you're left with the madvapes vv box ($35) and infinity/buzz-- and there are new versions coming out in a month

I think that's absolutely ridiculous, the Darwin and Provari are a fabulous choice, to be able to set it and forget it and not have a drop in power is a great PV, other tubes and PV's are worthless as the power cells ( Batts) Drop in voltage your vape goes downhill but not with VV you have the same vape time and time again, I'll stick with VV all day long
 

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AWWWW C'mon Ukeman!!! You turned me on to 901s. Don't be mad! :)

In all seriousness though. Given the way things are moving and they are moving fast, I'm not sure buying fancy power supplies is a really good investment right now. I actually do like the new Buzz Pro, and Infinity Pro. They're more like what I was talking about. A VV with a pot. I'm not familiar with the VVPV. I have a problem with some of the things buzzkill is doing but, you still see me recommending them. I may even break down and buy one.

Answer a question or two for me. Maybe you can change my mind. Suppose I'm using a regulated VV with two 3.7V batteries in series and I vape between 4 and 5.5 volts. By the time I experience any significant fall off, the batteries are pretty much used anyway. It isn't that much trouble to give the knob a little bump, if I want to but, it's not going to get me very long. It's really time to go with another battery and put the ones I'm using on the charger. So, what does something like the provari or darwin do for me in this situation?

The fact that the darwin can automatically deal with resistance changes in the atomizer is kind of cool but, really again it's not that hard to make a slight adjustment manually. Besides, if the atomizer is changing that much, isn't it just time to clean or replace it? Adjusting to it just moves the time out a bit. What am I missing?

MR, these are good points. To a degree, it comes down to what the user is willing to pay. As Ukeman pointed out, however, more important than a digital display to know the watts, voltage and resistence is having a variable volt PV that has "regulated boost technology". Instead of getting a "drop-off" in performance as the battery weakens, this technology maintains the original power setting through out the time you are vaping until the battery dies or you put it on the charger. To me, that is worth the cost and one of the reasons I bought the Darwin. I also use the digital display as a means to verify that the atty/carto is not functioning as well and to make minor adjustments especially when switching to a different atty or carto. But I would equate this to more of a luxury than a necessity. IMO, however, the regulated boost technology is worth the additional cost.
 

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I have seven VVs, all mod boxes. My Big Daddy uses an evercool switching regulator, but all the rest (Little Sister, two Big Brothers from Ken, a Big Splash from Shan, and two Madvapes VV boxes) use the older, less efficient linear LDO regulator (I think they're all the Fairchild chip, but I'm not sure about that; some might be the TI version). I'm about to convert one of my two Phidias wood mods from a bottom feeder to a VV by installling the Madvapes Fairchild board where the feed bottle went.

Interestingly, I much prefer the older, cheaper, and less efficient linear regulators. They run 1.5 ohm dual coil cartos beautifully at any voltage from mid-3 to mid-6 volts. They also just seem to vape better than the evercool switching regulators, hitting harder and producing superior vapor. Switching regulators are better for increased battery life between charges. My Big Daddy, with two 18650s, seems to go for weeks between charges, but then I don't use it constantly. Other than that, though, I'll take linear regulators any day.

VV or 5-volt regulated PVs with current limiters built into the chip put an upper cap on voltage with 1.5 ohm duals. Darwin goes to about 4.5 according to owners' posts, ProVari shuts off lower than that. My Big Kazoo 5-volt regulated mod won't fire the duals at all, not ever, which aggravates me some, but it won't fire 2.0 ohm Boge cartos or LR atties either.

All of Ken's VV boxes have a rotating dial for voltage adjustment. The others have a set screw. I had felt before owning any VVs that I would hate the set screw adjustment (it does seem barbaric to have to carry around a jeweler's screwdriver, and that kept me away from the original Buzz). In real life, however, this turned out to be no big deal. In fact, there's a practical advantage to the recessed set screw---adjustment dials can and do get moved inadvertently just by handling the PV. You can turn the voltage way up or down accidentally, without knowing it. Now I'm in the habit of visually checking the dial setting on my Little Sister, Big Brothers, and Big Daddy, because I don't want to fry a LR atty or 2.0 ohm Boge carto by running it at 6+ volts.

Only one of my VVs has a built-in digital voltage meter---Shan's Big Splash. And I do love that. For the others, a standard VOM multimeter is a pain because of the leads, so I use one of the Madvapes digital meters that's encased in plastic with male and female 510 connectors on either end. That works fine, although screwing it on and off the connector is a bit of a pain. Some switching regulators and even some eGo don't work with the Madvapes meter because of their pulse technology. Linear regulators work fine, though---another reason I like them. Would I like the ability to read the actual resistance of whatever atty/carto I'm using? Sure, but I don't pine away dreaming of that. I KNOW the factory specs for all my atties and cartos, and my drip tips are color-coded to their ohm-ratings. So, the fact that you can put ANY atty/carto on a Darwin and not inadvertently kill it (because the Darwin senses the resistance and automatically adjusts the voltage to the user's dialed-in watts), well, that doesn't much matter to me. I've never yet fried an atty or carto with any of my VVs.

The dials on my Lil Sis, Big Bro, and Big Daddy have indented dots around them that pretty accurately reflect their incremental voltages. If I want 5.2 volts, I don't need a meter to check that; it's just past the fourth dot. 4.5 volts is right at the third dot. You get what I'm saying. In real life, this means that I'm likely to "fiddle with" the voltages on those units and change voltage much more often, because doing so is easy and fast. With both my Madvapes VV boxes, I tend to set them to 4.5 volts (a sweet spot for dual coils) and leave them there, simply because I need both a meter and a screwdriver to accurately change their voltage. So, yes, a built-in meter is a very nice feature, but the lack of one isn't a deal-breaker for me.

That said, I would highly recommend the Madvapes VV boxes. They provide a fantastic vape---kicking like mules. Battery life is fine with two 14500s (I'd guess 6-8 hours on a charge), and they're dirt cheap---how can you beat $38 shipped? Some folks don't like plastic box mods because of the shape or the relative fragility of plastic. I'm not among those dissenters. I love how the 3xAA box feels in my hand, and exercising ordinary care when removing and replacing the backs will keep their plastic tabs intact for years. I try not to drop them, but I have, and they've survived every time, so they're sturdier than some people assume. I'll probably buy a third one soon.

The artisan wood mod builders are making some nice VVs now. The Monkeyboxx VV is well designed, and Brian's Mark IV at Red Sky Mods is beautiful. But I'm not a bottom feeder guy anymore, and both those mods are awfully big and a bit bulky. I prefer smaller VVs. Another reason I love the Madvapes boxes.

I'm glad folks love their Darwins and ProVaris (and soon-to-be Eclipses), but I have no interest in acquiring any of those. I will check out the new Buzz Pro when it comes out, but I'm quite happy with what I've got now.
 

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Mickey, you've started to get me thinking that some of this is just all in my head... i don't monitor the battery discharge cycle, but I have the impression that it drops in steady increments, thus affecting the voltage.
Honestly, i don't really know enough about the technology to say much more... one thing about the Ohm metering on the Vari; it will show a couple resistances: say the atty is 2.8 Ohm, a day or two used, and it's showing 1.5 for a second, and then goes to 3.2... I do know the atty resistance changes a lot, both up and down during the use cycle.

I just can't say you should get one... since i think that for some, ever since VV came out (little sister, big brother etc), some just took to it... and some, like me, just felt all thumbs... and didn't get the same results, having to play by feel alone.

One thing i can say is that I was recommended to the Vari, and a couple others by a guy who really knows his stuff and had been mentoring me along... I can say that for the extra $50 or so (from say a Silver Bullet or the likes), the technology, parts and design of the Vari are what you pay for and what you get.

If you are getting great vape, that's all that counts.


AWWWW C'mon Ukeman!!! You turned me on to 901s. Don't be mad! :)

In all seriousness though. Given the way things are moving and they are moving fast, I'm not sure buying fancy power supplies is a really good investment right now. I actually do like the new Buzz Pro, and Infinity Pro. They're more like what I was talking about. A VV with a pot. I'm not familiar with the VVPV. I have a problem with some of the things buzzkill is doing but, you still see me recommending them. I may even break down and buy one.

Answer a question or two for me. Maybe you can change my mind. Suppose I'm using a regulated VV with two 3.7V batteries in series and I vape between 4 and 5.5 volts. By the time I experience any significant fall off, the batteries are pretty much used anyway. It isn't that much trouble to give the knob a little bump, if I want to but, it's not going to get me very long. It's really time to go with another battery and put the ones I'm using on the charger. So, what does something like the provari or darwin do for me in this situation?

The fact that the darwin can automatically deal with resistance changes in the atomizer is kind of cool but, really again it's not that hard to make a slight adjustment manually. Besides, if the atomizer is changing that much, isn't it just time to clean or replace it? Adjusting to it just moves the time out a bit. What am I missing?
 

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yep... it works for you, and it would be my choice too if i were counting pennies to save a few bucks... they are regulated boost circuit too.
the Buzz, Infinity, and the VVPV are the notcigs lineup and are the "blue collar state of the art"...
not knocking; just saying they are built for good state of the art vaping, and max bang for the buck, and i think they were the first to come out with the technology.

I use an Infinity, and when I first got it, I checked the voltage at different points of the adjuster wheel. After about the 2nd day, I just start out around the center of the wheel (4.5ish volts), and go from there. I use cartomizers almost exclusively, and I find that I'm fine tuning the voltage throughout the life of each carto. A few puffs at around 4.5 volts, a few at 4, maybe up to 5 volts here or there. I guess my point is that I don't need the built-in voltage or resistance meters. I just go by taste.
 
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