Question on Vaping and Cancer

[Lina]

hahah rugrat... I had to laugh at that---

I would also talk to the Oncologist.. however, if she cannot quit smoking then vaping may be a good alternative... and from there perhaps she can easily get down to 0 nic.

I have never had cancer so I can only imagine the emotional battle... and I believe that trying to fight cancer and deal with everything that comes with it is extremely HARD... and many people need something to help them, if you are already a smoker then I think one tends to turn to it more during stressful times.

vaping instead of smoking maybe a temp. answer esp if she can wean down to 0 nic.

Again though a discussion with her doctor is really needed because it really comes down to a decision between her and her doctor.

 

[Heero]

Thank you all for your responses. I would have advised her to speak with her doctor, but she didn’t take his advice about traditional cigarettes. Thus I doubted she would about vaping if he did advise against it. She also stated she had no intention of becoming anything but a social vaper, however I personally feel its easier to fall into the habit of vaping more frequently than you would normally smoke. I really appreciate your responses and as some of you have suggested vaping is far less worse than smoking even just a few times a week, which is what I initially felt. I guess I just needed reassurance. Once again I can’t thank you guys enough for the support I’ve received on this forum.

 

[Stoked!]

They soak analog tobacco in ammonia (all other than American Spirits)....so that can't be much better than anti-freeze...and the real question "out there" about the anti-freeze is if the nicotine is extracted from tobacco with anti-freeze. There are multiple ways to extract it including what they do with analogs: ammonia. All of the things that can be used are dangerous. But when they test the eliquid they do not find any of these dangerous chemicals in it so obviously they are getting the bad stuff out some how. I do personally consider this a potential hazard of e-cigs that we will learn more about in the future when more studies have been done. They are just too new to know right now. BUT CLEARLY STILL BETTER THAN ANALOGS BY A MILLION!!!!

***YOU SHOULD ALSO SEARCH: check out searches on long term effects of nic gum. Some people have chewed it for 20 years. They are finding a SMALL link between nicotine and mouth cancer...but haven't put nicotine on the formal list of carcinogens. I also consider this to be a risk...bigger than the one I first mentioned....: and since it causes it in the mouth and we are vaping it...the nic is going all over the place....all the places analog smoke went....BUT ITS STILL A MILLION TIMES SAFER THAN SMOKING ANALOGS!!!!!!!!!!!! No combustion! No tar! No carbon monoxide! and no 4000+ chemicals!!

VAPE AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Adrenalynn]

They aren't soaking the tobacco in antifreeze. Sheesh. [sigh] That kind of BS is the way that rumors get started and run wild.

Ammonia is an additive to regular cigarettes used to shift the nicotine toward the freebase, thereby making it more addictive. Generally in combination with urea, incidentally.

 

[aubergine]

nbourbaki, I also read that. And like most people would prefer to filter out anything that I don't want to hear, but try not to. That's not very alarming info amongst all of the available data on many, many products that we routinely use, but it's data. So is "remains to be proven."
Me, I have to simply bracket a lot of information in order to proceed at all in life - vegans are vegans because they absorb and choose to attend to a lot of unbearably gruesome information about animal abuse and the incredible filth (including chemical filth) involved in meat processing; I eat my steak rare, because somewhere along the line I decided that we're all in it up to our eyebrows no matter what we do. I worked this out at age 8 when I realized that I couldn't walk across my yard without crushing myriad delicate and wonderful life forms. (I liked, and like, bugs.) Was stuck on the porch for a long time pondering it through for myself. But I don't argue with vegans. Ask a Tibetan Buddhist lama why he eats meat. ("Very bad karma! Hard to grow vegetables on frozen rock!!") Always too many variables.

I dunno what inhaling food flavorings does - "common sense" or "the obvious" has often led humans down perilous paths. And etc.. I dunno.

That said, it's hard to imagine that vaping could present an unforeseen problem comparable to the very clear ones that cigarette smoking presents. And ya, jcamel is right - breathing AIR in any major city is carcinogenic.

Google "everyday toxins".

Really. It's a trip.
And puts some of the concerns re vaping in perspective.
Doctors, like the rest of us, sometimes inhabit a grey area where the word "relative", and individual prejudices and positions, and simple gaps in knowledge or attention play a major role. I didn't understand that well until I worked hospice. (Steve's wife knows. Nurses know a LOT.)

 

[aubergine]

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[aubergine]

(Finally figured out how to post a pic from photobucket, doh. This should alert you to trust nothing that I say; I'm obviously a ......)