questions regarding the new verification for selling and buying
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thanks everyone for all the help - i guess im going to just give up for now.
im a little bummed cuz i like to sell, trade, and buy on here. seems like there are some bad apples out there that ruined it for the rest of us. maybe one day ill have all the qualifications to get verified.
thanks again!
nor
im a little bummed cuz i like to sell, trade, and buy on here. seems like there are some bad apples out there that ruined it for the rest of us. maybe one day ill have all the qualifications to get verified.
thanks again!
nor
Oh boy! MORE new rules!!!
It seems like lately here, every new rules change here is a decision i don't support. This seems like data-mining. Another power grab thing. So now, after selling dozens of things, in over a year, totaling thousands of dollars, with 100% happy buyers, and having a paid membership, suddenly my classies privileges have been revoked. I'm a lil' miffed about that.
So I won't be contributing to ECF again as a supporting member again until they return to a greater percentage of policies I support.
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Why not just get some ppl to vouch for you? I think that this truly was put together to help keep out the scammers. Back at the end of last year a lot of people got stiffed out of a lot of money... JMHO but think that they have worked hard to come up w/ solutions that work for everyone. I don't always agree w/ ECF, on this 1 thing I do.
Buyers can scam as well as sellers. They can say that things are "not as described" to Pay Pal and get their money back. It's happened here. A lot of new buyers can come in and complain to PP and we'll all be out of luck. It's not as prevalent but it has happened.
Yeah it sux I don't meet any of the qualifications. I got so scamed as a buyer a few years ago I will never use pp. Wasn't this forum related or ecig. Also PayPal is anti ecig, so I will never support them. I'm also a gun nut who loves hunting and had to change my Bank of America account. My believes are strong and won't ever give in. So I will leave the verified to supporters of the anti's.
Maybe I'm missing something, can't you just have people vouch for you and then confirm your address w/ a mail in card? It's not exactly like a high level background search or anything.
Maybe off topic here but what does Bank of America have to do with Firearms ? PM me if you feel best to enlighten me that way.
Unverified currently and I am finding it is costing me less !
Douglas Bland, sr vp has assured the NRA there is no such anti gun policy of denying banking services to busineses associated with firearms. NRA will continue to monitor BOA so no worries
It's not a cure and I've never read anything that claimed it was. It's an imperfect solution to a growing problem in an imperfect world. Every time a policy is put into place...business, government, community....it will have a negative impact on a % of people because policies cause honest folks to pay the price for the scum of the world.
After reading all the available options for getting verified, I honestly don't know what the mgt could have done to make it easier for the overwhelming majority of ecf members. They could have taken a hard line, given members 1 option, and said too bad if you don't like it. They didn't....they worked out a variety of options. J0ker is also open to suggestions for making it better. If anyone has an idea that's not on the table; please send it to him.
From what I see, the process provides reasonable proof people are who they say they are. Crooks can find their way around it because that's what crooks do. However, thousands of $$ of people's hard earned money are changing hands so SOMETHING had to be done.
It's my hope everyone finds a solution that works for them; in the meantime, give it a chance and let them fine tune the policy as the board moves forward.
...just my two cents worth.
Yes, it is a little more time consuming but can be done this way, as sellers would want to verify that the buyer is verified as well;
Second Method: Vouching Verified Member Verification
**The members you select for vouching must be "Verified" members. Verify this before sending the request.**
Step 1: For members whom have over 30 days of membership, no serious infractions, and have three (3) "Verified" Super members whom will verify their identity, may also become verified through this process. It is important that before using a member as a voucher, that they are aware that are requesting they vouch for you. A simple PM saying "Hey, we've bought and sold to each other, would you consider vouching for me?" or something similar. If a member really doesn't know you, don't bother sending them a request. The members you select will be contacted and explained the request, along with the opportunity to revoke their vouch.
**NOTE: Before vouching for a member, understand that your verification status could be in jeopardy should there be reports of fraud against the member you are vouching for.
Step 2: Once we've confirmed you have 3 legitimate vouchers, we will send you an email confirming step 1 complete. We will then mail a code (3 to 5 business days) to the address you have used in your application. Once you have received the code, you will need to send an email to j0ker @ e-cigarette-forum . com (no spaces) stating the code that you received in the mail. This confirms the address you have given us is valid. For this service, we will request you send $1 to cover the expenses incurred to send the code (postage, paper, envelopes,...etc). This will be requested in the email confirming step 1 complete, mentioned in the beginning of this step.
This process will be the least easiest and will take more time to verify your identity. Once you have been accepted through the vouch process and we have received the correct code, you will be notified and your account will be upgraded.
If any of your information changes regarding the information provided in the verification form, it will be necessary to resend the information to update our records.
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If you suspect ECF of datamining then by all means don't participate. I'm pretty sick of the constant allegations. We could just close the classifieds completely and that would solve the issues coming up now because of the upgrade done to solve issues... but then members would lose a service.
No matter what we do people are going to accuse us of stuff, this is a lose-lose situation.
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Not only does ECF not sell your information, members of the ECF community were involved in designing and improving the verification process. They were invited to a think tank by j0ker and have had major input into the process of the new classifieds.
There is also a new method added that several have used and found it very easy. Check it out http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/announcements-rules/294469-new-verification-method.html.
BTW, those concerned about data mining, we aren't asking for anything that isn't a matter of public record, except maybe email which we already had when you created an account.
Some are disappointed that non-verified cannot view the Classifieds, well what recourse will we have if the buyer scams you? Shouldn't the buyer have to go through the same process as the seller? Personally I would rather both have obtainable information on file just in case something goes bad.
BTW, those concerned about data mining, we aren't asking for anything that isn't a matter of public record, except maybe email which we already had when you created an account.
Some are disappointed that non-verified cannot view the Classifieds, well what recourse will we have if the buyer scams you? Shouldn't the buyer have to go through the same process as the seller? Personally I would rather both have obtainable information on file just in case something goes bad.
This all seems pretty good as far as trying to curb fraudulant situations, Old Soldier I think it is a win for the people that use the classifieds but we still have to use the buyer beware if we are purchasing. Thanks for looking out for the members guys.
As you can see I didn't stay unverified very long so back to searching the classies and spending some cash on gg products
As you can see I didn't stay unverified very long so back to searching the classies and spending some cash on gg products
I have lost a service. And I am frustrated. You've quoted my post and responded to the implication of possible data mining. For the record, I regret that exaggeration and apologize for it.
But if you'll read the rest of that post & imagine the frustration of being just... shut down in spite of a long perfect record of happy buyers with thousands of dollars worth of sales from the classies. I was still a lil fanny-hurt about suddenly being shifted back to noob status. Still believe ecf has enough info from Supporting Members' PayPal contributions to verify us, but I'll drop it now. J0ker's new method looks like a good possibility too.
Thanks for listening.
My compliments on the new avatar.
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