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I'll ask one.
Are you able, at this time, to Openly Discuss any of the Details regarding the events leading up to the Testing of Five Pawns e-Liquids?
If you are Not, I Understand.
Hi Steve, We hadn't considered stocking the Halo line specifically, but we would certainly be prepared to look at it if there was demand for it here, and if it met all our requirements.Hello. I am actually looking for a vendor who sells Halo e-liquid and ships to the Czech Republic. Shipping to CR from the US is crazy expensive. Is there any chance you will carry the Halo line in the near future? Thanks, Steve
Hi Steve, We hadn't considered stocking the Halo line specifically, but we would certainly be prepared to look at it if there was demand for it here, and if it met all our requirements.
Hi zoiDman, and welcome.
We will do our best to answer any questions about this matter fully, but please bear in mind we are still under threat of legal action, and so will be cautious, and I would hope you won't hold it against us if we're less chatty in these circumstances than we would ordinarily be.
Certainly many US manufacturers aren't ready or willing to modify their packaging to meet EU packaging and labelling requirements, so this might be part of the problem.Ok, great. Europe is ready for Halo e-liquids I am sure. Everyone who has tried my vape has liked it- from Londoners to Bulgarians to Czechs to Slovaks and Romanians, but I can never recommend a European vendor...
As I said, we will do our best to answer any specific questions we are asked.I completely Understand you Inability to be candid regarding the Events that have occurred.
And I believe when the Lawyers start to Dictate what can and Can Not be said about something like this, that we All Lose.
Steve, have a look at Pink Mule in Spain...they carry Halo and ship world-wide.Hello. I am actually looking for a vendor who sells Halo e-liquid and ships to the Czech Republic.
Please don't be scared of 5 pawns' threats. Companies like you that are looking out for the vaping community help us avoid government regulation. Companies like 5 pawns and their fanboys make us all look bad. They can't sue you for posting the results of tests done by a real lab. They could possibly go after the lab, but that would be fruitless and a huge waste of their money.Hi zoiDman, and welcome.
We will do our best to answer any questions about this matter fully, but please bear in mind we are still under threat of legal action, and so will be cautious, and I would hope you won't hold it against us if we're less chatty in these circumstances than we would ordinarily be.
Don't mind at all, happy you were able to advise where Steve can find liquids we don't stock.Steve, have a look at Pink Mule in Spain...they carry Halo and ship world-wide.
Apologies, Lisa...I know this is your sub-forum; hope you don't mind.
Certainly many US manufacturers aren't ready or willing to modify their packaging to meet EU packaging and labelling requirements, so this might be part of the problem.
Too funny!!!I'm pretty sure they would pass no problems. Halo is sold in the EU in limited capacities, however. I don't think anyone carries their full line.
As I said, we will do our best to answer any specific questions we are asked.
Absolutely agree with you about lawyers getting involved often causing more tension and confusion than there needs to be.
Steve, have a look at Pink Mule in Spain...they carry Halo and ship world-wide.
Apologies, Lisa...I know this is your sub-forum; hope you don't mind since you don't yet carry Halo.
Hi SomeTexan, we're not scared, it's just always prudent to be cautious in these situations. Companies can sue for anything, and both sides end up losing, regardless of who wins.Please don't be scared of 5 pawns' threats. Companies like you that are looking out for the vaping community help us avoid government regulation. Companies like 5 pawns and their fanboys make us all look bad. They can't sue you for posting the results of tests done by a real lab. They could possibly go after the lab, but that would be fruitless and a huge waste of their money.
In the past, we made it our policy not to stock any liquid that had ever tested positive for any level of DA/AP. We've always made this extremely clear to manufacturers.Perhaps here is a Question you can talk to.
What does Cloud 9 Consider to be Appropriate ppm levels for Diacetyl and Acetyl Propionyl in the e-Liquids that Cloud 9 sells.
And do you see the levels that someone such as the Electronic Cigarette Trade Association of Canada (ECTA) has set for "No Disclosure", "Disclosure" and "Fail" as Reasonable?
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"The ECTA standard is a non-detection for these elements. However, there are a couple of threshold levels for both Acetyl Propionyl and Diacetyl into which a result may fall.
- Non-Detection of Pentanedione and Diacetyl is the ECTA standard to which all members must strive to achieve
- < 22 µg/ml for Diacetyl and < 45 µg/ml for Acetyl Propionyl no disclosure - This is a "caution" threshold, though while recommended, is not required for disclosure. Members are required to work towards removing the cause of the compound. Levels in this range are most often attributed to cross-contamination.
- < 100 µg/ml disclosure - This "caution" threshold requires disclosure to consumers if the eliquid remains on the market, and a plan to replace the flavorant with an alternative. Disclosure is required on a website (if applicable), in a Retail Location (if applicable), and optionally on the label of the product (pending stock level depletion)
- > 100 µg/ml (ppm) indicates a "FAIL" - This is above the upper limit and beyond ECTA standards. If an E-Liquid result shows higher than this level the member must immediately stop sale of that product and either discontinue or return the product to their shelves only after the E-Liquid is reformulated and re-tested to show that it has been corrected."
Electronic Cigarette Trade Association (ECTA) of Canada
In the past, we made it our policy not to stock any liquid that had ever tested positive for any level of DA/AP. We've always made this extremely clear to manufacturers.
After lengthy research, and discussions with Dr Farsalinos and others, we have taken a view that we may consider stocking liquids in the future that contain a tiny amount of naturally occurring Diacetyl if it was completely unavoidable to manufacture a particular flavour without it, but 25ppm would be our max. If we did so, we would clearly state this information alongside the liquids, with an explanation.
I'd say their position is quite reasonable, as long as they also require their members to explain the policy and the reasons for it. Our policy is different, which is not to say it's better because every company must decide on their own position in this as in all areas. It's not up to any of us to decide what people should vape, but it's critically important that consumers are given ALL the information they need to make a fully informed choice.