Quick battery question.

[speedy_r6]

So just a "hunch" and nothing else. Interesting.

There is plenty of evidence to support it. Take a look at the ipv4. That is a pretty messed up situation. Charging board could come into contact with something and short out. Take a look at all the 50w isticks that were catching fire.

I'm sure I could find a case where an external charger has caused a meltdown or fire and then what? Are LiPo batteries basically a ticking time bomb?

Essentially, yes. They are not the safest batteries out there. Minor issues can cause major problems. At least if your battery destroys your charger, your charger got destroyed instead of the mod. Why anyone would want to risk ruining a mod that likely costs double what the charger costs is beyond me.

Again, how many cases of iSticks blowing up from being charged? How many of these issues with on board charging of external batteries is because of user error (incorrect or damaged battery)?

Quite a lot of the isticks caught fire.


At the end of the day, it all boils down to this:
-A quality, dedicated charger has been designed with one purpose in mind: to charge batteries.
-A mod is designed to be used with an atomizer so we can vape. The charging circuit isn't the primary focus of the device.

 

[Two_Bears]

There is plenty of evidence to support it. Take a look at the IPV4. That is a pretty messed up situation. Charging board could come into contact with something and short out. Take a look at all the 50w isticks that were catching fire.



Essentially, yes. They are not the safest batteries out there. Minor issues can cause major problems. At least if your battery destroys your charger, your charger got destroyed instead of the mod. Why anyone would want to risk ruining a mod that likely costs double what the charger costs is beyond me.



Quite a lot of the isticks caught fire.


At the end of the day, it all boils down to this:
-A quality, dedicated charger has been designed with one purpose in mind: to charge batteries.
-A mod is designed to be used with an atomizer so we can vape. The charging circuit isn't the primary focus of the device.

Agree 1000%.

Charge with a charger and vape with a nod. You never have to worry about a battery getting too hot and ruining the mod. You never have to worry about a battery venting and ruining your mod. And you never have to worry about a power spike ruining the mod.

 

[suprtrkr]

So just a "hunch" and nothing else. Interesting.

I'm sure I could find a case where an external charger has caused a meltdown or fire and then what? Are LiPo batteries basically a ticking time bomb?

Again, how many cases of iSticks blowing up from being charged? How many of these issues with on board charging of external batteries is because of user error (incorrect or damaged battery)?

I wouldn't call it a hunch. I believe stand-alone chargers have better electronics than the dime-sized charging boards available in mods. All of my chargers, for example, have thermal sensors to measure battery temp while charging, but none of my mods do. Your finding a case where a vent occurred in a stand alone charger-- no need to look, I had one myself, years ago-- will not change that fact. Neither do I think all LiPo batteries are a ticking time bomb. I am aware, however, they are subject to damage and mishandling. I judge charging stand alone is safer than in the mod, not that it is entirely safe. And I freely admit that's an opinion, and nothing more. I think it's a reasoned opinion, but you are free to disagree.

 

[pappcam]

I wouldn't call it a hunch. I believe stand-alone chargers have better electronics than the dime-sized charging boards available in mods. All of my chargers, for example, have thermal sensors to measure battery temp while charging, but none of my mods do. Your finding a case where a vent occurred in a stand alone charger-- no need to look, I had one myself, years ago-- will not change that fact. Neither do I think all LiPo batteries are a ticking time bomb. I am aware, however, they are subject to damage and mishandling. I judge charging stand alone is safer than in the mod, not that it is entirely safe. And I freely admit that's an opinion, and nothing more. I think it's a reasoned opinion, but you are free to disagree.

Your opinion is completely valid and I agree with some of it. I guess my issue is when someone says you "need" an external charger with new devices that use a single external battery. To me that's like saying someone "needs" to use premium gas in a vehicle when the manufacturer says it's designed to run on regular.

It's all good. I enjoy a good debate now and then. [emoji106]

 

[suprtrkr]

Your opinion is completely valid and I agree with some of it. I guess my issue is when someone says you "need" an external charger with new devices that use a single external battery. To me that's like saying someone "needs" to use premium gas in a vehicle when the manufacturer says it's designed to run on regular.

It's all good. I enjoy a good debate now and then. [emoji106]

Well said. FWIW, I try to say "suggest" when touting a stand alone charger. It just makes sense to me. Batteries are expensive and dangerous when mishandled. Taking the best care you can seems reasonable conduct

 

[Completely Average]

Let's just say that external batteries and box chargers are generally recognized as having less safety hazzard risks than internal batteries and onboard charging mechanisms, and leave it at that. This recognition comes from a very tiny amount of anecdotal evidence.

I fixed that for you.

Out of curiosity, just how many mods have been sold with on board battery charging? A few million? Tens of millions?

How many verified cases of one of these mods catching fire because of the on board charging can you name? A few dozen at most?

So realistically you've probably got somewhere between a 1 in 100,000 to 1 in a million chance of having a battery explode or burst into flames from using on board battery charging. And that risk can be even lower by simply avoiding the most high risk mods with the most reported problems like the eleaf iStick 50W. Right?

Or do you have any solid and verifiable evidence to prove otherwise?


After all, if we're just going to use anecdotal evidence I'll point out that every Hana Modz box mod ever sold has USB charging, and I've never heard of a single one ever having a battery failure caused by the on board charging. I can't recall ever hearing about any one of the hundreds of thousands of clones having a battery failure caused by the on board charging either.

 

[daviedog]

NOTHING is failsafe..

 

[Two_Bears]

Your opinion is completely valid and I agree with some of it. I guess my issue is when someone says you "need" an external charger with new devices that use a single external battery. To me that's like saying someone "needs" to use premium gas in a vehicle when the manufacturer says it's designed to run on regular.

It's all good. I enjoy a good debate now and then. [emoji106]

Papcam.

Not all mods with USB ports have charging capabilities for the batteries. Some of them are only for firmware upgrades.

The reason I advise a dedicated charger.

People who only have one mod. What happens if the battery gets too hot and cooking the board in the mod orba battery vents.

You are going to have a damaged or dead mod. So instead if being prudent and charging the battery in a dedicated battery charger that cost as little as $14 you have ruined a $70 mod, AND being forced back on the Stinkies.

 

[steam heat]

@pappcam my mod with rta and batts cost me about $150.... My charger was $25..... So i guess you know where im going with this. İm Not just running a elcheapo i stick. İf you wanna run the risk and charge with the usb go for it! İ will play it safe

 

[Toronnah]

So how exactly do you guys charge cell phones that cost 10x as much as a mod?

 

[Two_Bears]

So how exactly do you guys charge cell phones that cost 10x as much as a mod?

My iPhone has never been plugged into the wall.

I have 4 Kmashi battery packs. 1 20,000 battery pack and three 10,000 mah battery packs.

I charge the battery packs by plugging them in the wall. The battery pack being charged us places in a steel ammo case. If the battery pack bursts into flames close the lid and snuff the fire.

When. Mg phone or tablet computer needs charging I plug it into a battery pack. No power spikes or brown outs coming from battery pack.

 

[pappcam]

My iPhone has never been plugged into the wall.

I have 4 Kmashi battery packs. 1 20,000 battery pack and three 10,000 mah battery packs.

I charge the battery packs by plugging them in the wall. The battery pack being charged us places in a steel ammo case. If the battery pack bursts into flames close the lid and snuff the fire.

When. Mg phone or tablet computer needs charging I plug it into a battery pack. No power spikes or brown outs coming from battery pack.

Yeah, that's not normal. I'll take that into account when you give out battery advice.

 

[steam heat]

My phone cost $59.... İf i could charge it with a external charger I would.

 

[Baditude]

Out of curiosity, just how many mods have been sold with on board battery charging? A few million? Tens of millions?

How many verified cases of one of these mods catching fire because of the on board charging can you name? A few dozen at most?

So realistically you've probably got somewhere between a 1 in 100,000 to 1 in a million chance of having a battery explode or burst into flames from using on board battery charging. And that risk can be even lower by simply avoiding the most high risk mods with the most reported problems like the eleaf iStick 50W. Right?

Or do you have any solid and verifiable evidence to prove otherwise?

Our forum administrator and battery expert, Rolygate, has kept track of batteries and mods which have been reported to have exploded or burst into flames. He has posted some of the statistics here on the forum, but I don't have the link at the moment.

Yes, my recommendations are anecdotal to my experience and research. I've been on this forum regularly for nearly 4 years. Since I had a battery explode in my mechanical mod in my first year of vaping, I took a special interest in this subject. That's why I did so much research on batteries and mod safety, and wrote my blogs on battery safety for others to learn from. These blogs have become "internet famous", and even PBusardo has a link to them on his Taste Your Juice website. I'm as much an authority on the subject as you may find.