Quick starter guide I put together for friends...

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This is a modified version of something I put together to send to any of my friends that are still smoking that showed interest in switching. I've modified it here to try and ensure it keeps within posting guidelines. A lot of it is based on what I've learned here over about 50 hrs of research. Any corrections or improvements are welcome as I want it to be as accurate as possible. Also, I removed reference to the actual product vendors that I was recommending to them. I'm still not sure how that bit works, but have seen links to those vendors on this site before -- they have their own subforums. However, I still think I'm not supposed to do that.

In the end, I decided to post it here in case it helps anyone else out, while also getting feedback so that I can help change the life of my friends.

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SLB KGO Starter Kit and e-juice, links, info, quick starter guide

This is getting bigger as I try to put together a simple guide... Eek, sry it is about three times what I intended size wise, but contains what I think is all relevant info -- about 50 hrs of research condensed into this message.

Start Here:

http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA-Ecig-TriFold-Brochure.pdf - The facts about electronic cigarettes. Something you might want to look at first, brochure layout, fast read.

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Now on to the kit:

After reading a lot, there are a ton of starting options that are viable. However, this would be where I would have started had I known more. This is built for performance and reliability, not to look as much like a cigarette as possible. Those who relapse from using a pv (personal vaporizer) usually do so because they run out of supplies, their battery dies, or some other malfunction and thus were left with no other choice but to grab a pack. This kit has great reviews and you might find it from another supplier, but this vendor has high ratings.

Kit contains everything you will need except the e-juice. Cartomizers are blank ready to be filled. YouTube has tons of how to vids on how to fill, really not hard, but best to learn so as to not burn the cartomizer out on first try due to under fill, or flood it which produces other issues.

SLB KGO Starter Kit - this is the starter kit, runs $43.99 + 4.00 for an extra 5 cartomizers (good deal). Only comes in chrome atm. Use coupon code: ECFDCV to get 5% off your order, and from what I understand if you buy extra juice, etc. to go with the kit and get to $65.00 you get free shipping. That extra $20 or so can be used to get a month's worth of supplies.

Cartomizers do eventually die, but they can be refilled for a while -- depends on what juice goes in, maintenance, etc. This kit comes with 5. I would suggest getting the 2.0 Ohm option - color is your choice.

And just what is a cartomizer? The combination of the cartridge (holds juice) and atomizer (heats it up) into a single unit. Much easier to use than a two piece design.

Cool thing is, he also sells e-juice so you can get everything from one stop shop to start. I'd start with 5ml or 10ml to test it to see if you even like it. Don't get the large bottles (30ml) to start. Also, standard ratio is 80% PG to 20% VG. If you smoke 1 pack a day, expect to go through 1 - 3 ml of juice a day. If you opt to get a few flavors, I'd suggest getting extra cartomizers. You won't want to run multiple flavors in a cartomizer just yet (takes cleaning and maintenance skill). I recommend at least one cartomizer per flavor. Good news is that they are usually about $1.20 per cartomizer and come in packs of 5. Site sells them for around $6 and change. Don't forget that you can throw 5 extra in with the kit for a one time $4.00 charge. If you order more, for ever pack of 5, you get a free e-juice sample. :)

EJuice - juices are here. Yes, they do have that flavor. Wait till you see what the big e-juice vendors carry. :)

There are a ton of juice providers, I'm still sorting them out and can make recommendations on them later. However, nice to get all you need to start from one vendor when you start.

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I'm ready to order, but what is this and that? I don't know what to select.

Now you go to order and you have to answer some basic questions and go ummmm..., so the following info will help you make a choice.

Ratio of PG vs. VG for the juice. From what I understand, more PG = more of a throat hit (the sensation that smoking gives), more VG gives more vapor (the feeling that smoke is going into the lungs). Some are allergic to PG, so some go with 100% VG, but then the liquid is thicker and so usually has flow issues in the cartomizer. I still recommend 80/20 to start. You can experiment from there. (Note: I think this vendor only has 70/30)

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/177551-pg-vg-peg.html for more info. Propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine are the FDA approved substances if you want to google more info.

And what about the amount of nicotine?

Now for the important part. How much nicotine. Really depends on your smoking habits. I suggest get at least one 18mg and 24mg bottle. If one is too strong, use the other. If it's not strong enough, at least one is stronger to get you through any craving fits. If your smokes are usually strong, you'll probably end up on 24mg, maybe even 36mg, but don't think 36mg is available from (vendor name removed). You will know if it is too strong. Either cut back on the sessions, drop the strength, or both. However, if you don't get one strong enough, you won't make it through a craving and go back to an analog (pv community's term for cigarettes). I tried 18 and it didn't work for me, so I went 24.

Here's one link that explains more:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/211345-new-users-nicotine-strength-questions.html

If you want to learn more on your own, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com is the place to go.

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If you want to know more, keep reading:

I should mention that the KGO is a manual battery. What that means is that it will not work unless you hold down a button while you take a drag.

Benefits are that it is more consistent and reliable. Doesn't auto fire from wind, sound, etc... (some other brands are plagued by this). You can also shut the device off so it doesn't fire in your pocket, bag, purse, etc...

Cons are you can't just stick it in your mouth and drag like a real cig. Doesn't take long to get used to. Also, having it hang in your mouth isn't an option, and the KGO is probably too big to do that anyhow. Also, many automatics require a primer puff to heat the coils and so that first drag is kinda wasted. Few autos like the one I have don't have this issue.

If I didn't mention it, the KGO is a 1100 mAh battery. The cig lookalikes come as a 100 - 200 mAh battery. To give size into consideration, a 100 mAh cig replica battery will last you maybe 2 hours tops, and is just a bit bigger than a 100 cigarette. If you get a mini so as to find one that is the size of a cig, you're looking at an hour if your lucky. Those who use that type of model carry a pcc or a personal charging case, which kinda replicates a cigarette pack, just allows you to recharge on the go. Did I mention there are a ton of options, size, types, etc... lol

Anyhow, stick with the KGO as a great starting point. I will warn you that most who do quit smoking tend to hunt for another model within a week or a few months depending on what they started with - usually to find a backup unit or to find a more reliable unit. The KGO will probably not be your 1st and last model, but at least it comes with a backup already in the kit and holds most down much longer than those that start with the heavily advertised starter kits.

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I'm really into this concept and want to jump past this starter kit and get a pro model right from the start:

If you want to skip the KGO starter kit and get a PV that probably will just last you for a long time, you can go with what I'm looking at now based on my research. It's a long term PV with all the safety, bells, whistles, etc.. out there and considered to be one of the top units. They carry two models, the Provape and the Provari. The Provari is a variable voltage model, ask me if you want to know what that means or google is your friend. Just search for personal vaporizer variable voltage.

It is a bit more pricey than the KGO, but still less than some of the cig lookalike starter kits out there that just don't cut it. Don't forget, what you spend on this may be less than what you spend on cigarettes and remember every dollar spent here is going towards a less harmful activity than smoking. :)

ProVape E-Cigarettes: Buy Electronic Cigarettes & Smokeless Cigarettes

They have a provape-1 starter kit that would be a great place to start if you don't want to jump to variable voltage, but you can opt for the provari v2 if you so choose.

Be aware that on the provape-1, they have two starter kits. One comes with cartomizers, one comes with an atomizer. There's a difference and atomizers are a whole different way to vaporize the fluid. I suggest you stick with cartomizers and read up on atomizers if your curious. In the end you'll probably use both types.

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Hey, to be honest I didn't read much of what you have here. I just want to watch a video and click the links and go.

KGO ego type 1100mah electric cigarette - YouTube

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So that's what I've got so far. Again, critiques welcome. If anything, hope it help someone new on the site. There are far more detailed postings on ECF, and I still recommend you go to them for a more comprehensive read.

Thanks for reading. :)
 
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Actually just read your blog a little while ago after reading one of your post in another thread where they were discussing 501 vs 809 or something like that and you linked your blog entry. Just sounds like we may just think similar on the product. If it's worth recommending, then recommend it. The part that I will give credit to you is which vendor to get it from. I'm pretty sure that when I was looking for vendors for the KGO, I ran into one of your postings. After doing some more research, I agreed.

If you feel harmed in any way, research my other postings. A lot of this is info is based on my experience so far and what I've read and participated in. Then as for the presentation, I know my friends. Some won't read it all, just click click click. Some will. Some are not smokers, but want to present it to someone who does.
 
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Actually just read your blog a little while ago after reading one of your post in another thread where they were discussing 501 vs 809 or something like that and you linked your blog entry. Just sounds like we may just think similar on the product. If it's worth recommending, then recommend it. The part that I will give credit to you is which vendor to get it from. I'm pretty sure that when I was looking for vendors for the KGO, I ran into one of your postings. After doing some more research, I agreed.

If you feel harmed in any way, research my other postings. A lot of this is info is based on my experience so far and what I've read and participated in. Then as for the presentation, I know my friends. Some won't read it all, just click click click. Some will. Some are not smokers, but want to present it to someone who does.

I'm just joshing you bro. We're all on the same side here. It's all good. I got some more links for your post.
How to make a cheap high voltage passthrough:
VapeTalk - How to Make a 5V Passthrough for $4 - YouTube

Proof that the KGO has the best 510 battery on the market. Here in this video it whoops the 18650 battery which is used in the Provari and other really expensive mods:
hoosierecigsupply.com 1100mAh eGo battery whips AW 18650 IMR - YouTube

How to easily make a free tank mod for your KGO so you can try them out before you buy a $10-20 model:
Home made DIY Carto Tank Mod - YouTube

All that said, the 510 connection is the most commonly used connection and will lead to the most versatile e-cig on Earth. I got the KGO, and I love it. I quit the second I got it (which by the way was from DCV and the batteries came FULLY CHARGED - which eliminated the 3 or whatever hours it takes to charge one so you can use it.) (by the way - it's been 2+ days and I have yet to kill even one, though I have been swapping them back and forth).

I'd give you a review on DCVs juice but I'm sick with a nasty cold and I can't tell what from what right now. All I can say is that I have smoked 0 analogs since I got my KGO.

Last thing I'll add is that the BOGE cartomizers are best for newbies because if you accidentally let it dry out it's not going to fry on you like Smoktechs will. Plus I have heard people say that their BOGES have lasted them up to 6 months with proper maintenance. I have seen people tear apart their dead smoktechs and they all had died due to burnt through polyfill and the wrapping material that goes over the dual coil atomizer. You could see right through the holes straight to the atty. Also you really don't need a dual coil cartomizer for a KGO - those work best on high voltage. Now maybe if you made that passthrough I linked above that would be good to go, but on a KGO it's not going to do the carto justice (so says GrimmGreen). I like my BOGES and the SLB ones that came with the KGO aren't bad either. I like the BOGES just a little tiny bit better. We will see which one lasts longer after all.

Four more things: If you order a 5 pack of cartos from DCV you get a 5ml bottle of free ejuice of your choice. Win. Secondly, I talked Bill from DCV into ordering silver banded KGOs so if you'd rather have those than the gold ones he will have those by next week. The band goes around the battery where the button is and is also on the bottom cap of the battery. Thirdly, you don't get instructions with the KGO (at least I didn't) and you are going to have questions. Asking Bill via instant chat on the DCV website gives you instant results and the dude is super friendly ( I asked him a buncha questions at 4am when I ordered and he was STILL there!). OR you could call long distance and talk to Brent at Hoosier and he will act like he doesn't want to be on the phone with you because you are wasting his time. Lastly, if you order from DCV you aren't going to get a store brand logo on your battery like Hoosier does (it looks like CRAP).
 
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Between a friend of mine using one and you, I've got good support should one of my friends need more 3rd party evidence. :thumbsupiconneeded:

Glad to hear you went from ? to 0 the day you got your KGO. I love hearing about all success stories, but always amazed by those that had little conversion time. I'm still amazed that it only took me 9 hrs to drop analogs myself. Didn't expect that fast of a turnaround.

Will go check some of those links out. I got lucky getting a pt in my kit although I'd take a KGO over this kit anyday now that I know more. However, my other buddy may be very interested in that info. :)
 
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I smoked 3/4 to a pack a day of Marlboro for 15.5 years-ish (at first Reds, then Special Blend Reds (they were cheaper) and a couple weeks ago they released Marlboro Blacks which are like special blends but I actually breathed better with them than the SB Reds). I got tired of going to bed with a racing heart and difficulty breathing and hacking sh%t up all the time.

The only thing that's bugging me now is that the liquids I got from DCV although they taste ok (I have nothing to compare it to) and are wicking fine and lasting a long time are seriously stinking up my house. I mean I totally quit on my first day too so I can't say that they don't work when clearly they do. My old lady kicked me off the couch and made me go in my man cave (den) and here I must vape for eternity unless I figure out a ejuice I like that doesn't smell. Do you know how long I had to convince her that it was ok to vape in the house. I am glad I don't have to go in the garage any more, the den is totally a step up, but still. I was hoping for some couch vapes during movies etc... Totally sucks. Everything I read said there would be no odor and nothing but water vapor is exhaled but how can that be entirely true when my house smells like old cigarettes and butterscotch's a$%hole? She has asthma and smells can be a trigger for her attacks so I'm back to the Bat Cave...
 
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Excellent advice Envi... I just ordered my kGo, don't have it yet but already wishing I had started with it! I'm so glad to read that you guys are happy with it.. I started with a V2 and quit the analogs the same day, so was pretty happy about that. But like you said, the battery life was only a few hours. Soon moved on to the Elite 808 and much improved batt life.. I get a good 7 or 8 hours out of them. But a good night at the casino will kill every battery I've got (5 of them!) I could have saved a TON of money if I'd started out with the kGo, but I'll keep the V2's and Elite's as backup... and very anxiously awaiting arrival of my kGo!! Another interesting thing.. I never thought I'd be interested in a mod.. Too big and clumsy looking to me, but now I find myself looking at them again... oooooh, this is a dangerous place to hang out!!
 

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I couldn't see the links you provided so I was limited on some parts of your advice. But I like that you direct people to a good starter kit and also help them understand the additional things they will need to understand to vape well from the beginning. And providing "next step up" information is also a good idea. I also like that you explained the advantages of manual batteries and why they are preferred.
 
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Thankee for the feedback. As for the links I removed, I'm still not 100% sure what links to other sites we can and can not put up on the site. So I've erred on the cautious side. I'm going to go back and reread the rules and try to sort that out. If I find that the links are ok, I'll put them back in.

Edit: So I added the links back in. Appears that you can't link to your own review site unless approved or if your are a vendor or supplier. I'm doing neither nor affiliated with any of the above. I'm sure if I've got this wrong and moderator will help me find my way. :)
 
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I couldn't see the links you provided so I was limited on some parts of your advice. But I like that you direct people to a good starter kit and also help them understand the additional things they will need to understand to vape well from the beginning. And providing "next step up" information is also a good idea. I also like that you explained the advantages of manual batteries and why they are preferred.

If you have any questions about the KGO system or ordering it from Dark City Vapor I will more than happy to answer any of them :)

I just talked to Bill and due to the overwhelming support he has run out of KGOs. He will have more in by next week and they are the Silver banded models instead of the standard gold bands. He apologizes for any inconvenience.

I don't recommend that you get one from Hoosier because their set is inferior for the same price, and there is less support if you need it, and their KGO comes with a Hoosier store brand in red letter across the bottom of your KGO batteries, but if you NEED one now I do know that Hoosier has them in stock. Make sure you get some cartos because cartridges suck.
 
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Good post. I like seeing stuff like this. I wish the KGO was around when I started vaping. Would have saved me some cash. I feel the only reason ecigs fail for some people is the hardware they try out on the first go. Battery power/life is a big issue and so is size. If only people would understand that "tiny" means no battery power/life. I know some people think they need cig sized but cig sized won't give most people what they need. The KGO will...in an easy to use package.
 

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Good luck. Like I said before if you get the right setup (and the KGO is a da%n good setup for the right price) you will quit immediately like I did and never look back. I still have 5 cigarettes left in my pack I was going to smoke the day I got my KGO but I almost forgot about them. I had a dream last night that I went to smoke them but half the tobacco fell out of all the cigarettes and I was like "What's the point?!" True story.
 

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Just talked to Bill over at DarkCityVapor.com he's getting 30 black, 10 red and 10 chrome KGO's in approximately 2 days time. These are the silver banded models. They have a silver ring around the button and a silver cap on the bottom of the battery instead of the gold that is pictured on the site. Better strike while the iron's hot. I have a feeling they are going to go fast. I got a black one (it's rubberized) by the way and I like that it remains fingerprint free. Red would be the same I'm sure but Chrome is a fingerprint magnet just so you know, in case that bothers you. I recommend you get the 5 pack of extra cartos deal that comes with the kit. I like Boges 2.0ohm LR cartos they are rumored to last longer because you can clean them better. The Smoktech 1.7ohm LR cartos are rumored to be the best vape on a KGO but I can't speak for their longevity. If you buy a 5 pack of cartos in addition to the KGO starter kit deal you get a 5ml bottle of free juice of your choice. I started with 15 total cartos (5 SLB probably 3.0ohm Standard Resistance cartos that came with it - which are not cleanable btw - they are disposable, you'll get about 3 days out of each one). On day 10 I've got 9 unused ones left but I cleaned a few and lost the all but 1 of the SLBs which were almost uncleanable due to their filler. I've gotten about 50% of the Boges to come back to life but there was a learning curve as far as the cleaning process goes. I think that number will increase now that I learned the hard way. Anyway, keep that in mind as you order. I wouldn't dream of starting with less that 10 extra cartos to go with the 5 you get with the kit. Also a 306 atomizer with a 306 drip tip (the one you get with the kit does NOT fit but you can take the 306 atty cap and cut off the end and use it as a drip tip in a pinch) is great for trying flavors before you commit a carto and is a heck of a dripping machine. It puts out clouds of vapor in half the time/effort of the cartos. It's totally worth the 8 bucks. Shipping is free on all orders $65 and up which is the money you'd spend over the price of the kit to get a couple juices to try (get the sampler pack it's the best deal), some extra cartos ( which also come with free 5ml juice) and maybe a 306 atomizer. I got 20ml of juice because I was getting a DIY ejuice kit in the mail but it was enough to last me probably a couple of weeks (I'd recommend at least 30ml to start). For 71 bucks I got my kgo starter kit, 20ml of juice, 10x boge 2.0 ohm cartos, and a 306 atomizer with a drip tip. It came in two days flat from North Carolina to Ohio. YMMV.

I did a full review on the juices I got on the DCV website which were Mountain 55, French Vanilla Cappuccino, and Peanut Butter Chocolate (which was my favorite of the three). I recommend that you get 70/30 pg/vg blend (I got 60/40 blend and that was ok too but I can't recommend more VG than that for cartos) for that works best with cartos and the vapor production at that mix is plenty. I started with 24mg and 18mg nicotine strength. Get 2 kinds of strengths to try out. 1 for nic fits and the other for chain-vaping. That way you don't get a headache from too much nicotine (which will happen for the first few days if you vape it hard). Make sure you calculate the best nicotine strength to start on for your personal cigarette habit. 24mg was the one for me because I smoked Marlboro Special Blend 100's. If you are a lighter smoker 18mg might do it. I recommend you go a little strong for your first batch so you know you're getting something and you will go ahead and quit smoking on the first day like I did. If it's too strong for you, you can always hit it and quit it for a while until you have another craving. You're not going to die from nicotine poisoning though you may get a nasty headache or nauseous. If that's the case STOP. It'll go away in like 20 minutes. As always keep your ejuice away from children. One drink could spell curtains for a small child. Don't be that person.

If you have any questions please feel free to PM me. I'll do my best.
 
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Hey:
hope everyone is vaping the good vape today :) I wanted to tell you SHoga, that you have helped me a lot. I have been keeping up with your blog.. It is always good to learn from someone elses failures and successes instead of insisting you have to make your own mistakes.. (LOL.. a line straight from my 14 year old daughter.. 'mom, i just cant learn from your mistakes I have to make them myself!!) Nope, not a kid here. LOL!!

About the KGO.. as soon as I read your first stuff, I was looking for one. DCV was out at the time, so I looked everywhere, and I found all different kinds of kgo's. some were tank models.. some had atomizers and cartridges that had to be filled.. then when the atty breaks, you are out some bucks to replace it. (I already knew that from owning an ovale elips tank system, which I love btw, and it gives great taste and the battery lasts long enough .. at least twice as long as a mini cig
it has a passthrough so I can use that while at the computer.. but I have a couple of pv's so not having to completely depend on one helps with battery too.. LOL and I didnt mean to go into a history of my life here.. I just wanted to ask a question about the kgo.. or 2 questions. Does the one you have use and atty and 'tank' style cartridge (empty plastic you fill with liquid and cram into the end.?) OR does it use and atomizer/clearomizer, which would make it a 2 pc kit, where you just screw the top onto the bottom and maybe add a cone or mouthpiece? I was looking for simplicity with SOME power. I did find one of the revolution v2 (juice box style) pv's for a very good price..ugh. it seems the more I research it, the more complex it gets. LOL. let me know what you think .. and thanks for all of your input. it has helped me and I am sure many others..
 
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