quick vision question

[robl45]

thank you for trying this out, definately helps enjoy the vision more.

Ok Rob... Go cut that little ....... down. It worked. I just filled this puppy up to the bottom of the cup SEAL (over filled on purpose) and had a couple little air bubbles in there. (you ain't gonna get them all out) And then I tried to put the tip back on and it pushed juice out through the wicks and down the air tube and up into the tip. I then pulled the little ....... out and cut about half the nipple off so that there is about a 1/16" nipple left. I then put it back in all the way and seated it properly and then pushed the tip on. I saw only a tiny bit of movement in the juice/air bubbles and wallah! It seems to work just fine.


Edit: I now dub this mod the TNT mod. Tiny Nipple Tweak

Kinda catchy isn't it!

 

[vapspaz]

Vapspaz, you are the man! "TNT Mod"... (giggle) Good to know physics still works.

(in my best Elvis voice) Thankya... Thankya very much. lol

Never in my life would I have thought little nipples were better than big nipples.


Glad it's working out for ya and I could be of help Rob.

 

[harmonic]

other thing i found on the regular size is i had some trouble filing it as well. here is what i think happened - when they re-sized the vision for the smaller size the fill holes in the seal became smaller too causing the hole to be the right size for the surface tension of the juice to trap a drop there. then the juice wont go down into the carto and sits on top of the seal. i haven't played with them yet but the strech seals and the ce2 kit seals have more material removed where the fill hole is. and since the larger vision is well larger so are the fill holes. as a fix i will take one and cut some more of the seal away at the fill opening making it larger. this should give enough room that the juice shouldn't get stuck in the hole anymore from the surface tension. i'll post again later on if it works or not lol

 

[robl45]

from what I can tell, its basically as soon as the seal in the bottom of the mouthpiece contacts the nipple, its sealed, so if you still pressing down, you pushing air down and thats displacing the juice, in my case usually it starts leaking out the bottom. by cutting the nipple down, this is reduced a bit, but still when it gets to the end and you push down, it does the bubble act. now I suck real hard just before I push it on the nipple and that helps, I can definately fill more than I could before.

other thing i found on the regular size is i had some trouble filing it as well. here is what i think happened - when they re-sized the vision for the smaller size the fill holes in the seal became smaller too causing the hole to be the right size for the surface tension of the juice to trap a drop there. then the juice wont go down into the carto and sits on top of the seal. i haven't played with them yet but the strech seals and the ce2 kit seals have more material removed where the fill hole is. and since the larger vision is well larger so are the fill holes. as a fix i will take one and cut some more of the seal away at the fill opening making it larger. this should give enough room that the juice shouldn't get stuck in the hole anymore from the surface tension. i'll post again later on if it works or not lol

 

[Briar]

Yeah, when the nipple forms a seal with the mouthpiece, it's a problem. It doesn't always happen, tho, and is easily enough fixed. One problem that can happen is that the juice that accumulates in the bottom of the mouthpiece runs down into the nipple as soon as the seal is broken. It's not so bad in the stretches, but it becomes a nuisance in the bigger ones - you get all sorts of gurgling...

Are they supposed to be forming a seal by design or not?

Mind ye, I still love these things, and I'm becoming addicted to the stretches, hot lips and all. The taste from them is just outstanding.

 

[harmonic]

ok i havent hacked up the seal yet on the regular cuz i wanted to try it out the way it came some more. the 2nd and 3rd fill i filled it up to the bottom of the seal and when i put the mp on i only got a little bit of air on one side and just a tiny gurgle that went away after the first hit. idk
rob if it is pushing too much air in perhaps fill a little extra dab of juice on top of the seal and it will push this in instead of air. it wont help the problem of juice leaking out but it might allow you to have more juice in the cart when your done.

 

[Briar]

I wonder if simply making a notch in the bottom mouthpiece hole would work...

 

[robl45]

with the cut down nipple and sucking real hard when i push the mouthpiece in, I can get it filled up most of the way. best i can get for now.

ok i havent hacked up the seal yet on the regular cuz i wanted to try it out the way it came some more. the 2nd and 3rd fill i filled it up to the bottom of the seal and when i put the mp on i only got a little bit of air on one side and just a tiny gurgle that went away after the first hit. idk
rob if it is pushing too much air in perhaps fill a little extra dab of juice on top of the seal and it will push this in instead of air. it wont help the problem of juice leaking out but it might allow you to have more juice in the cart when your done.

 

[vapspaz]

I wonder if simply making a notch in the bottom mouthpiece hole would work...

Yes it would work. The trapped air has to move to someplace and "vent holes" in the mouthpiece would do the trick. But.... these "vent holes" could possibly cause a leak. I think there could be a perfect size and location for these "vent holes" that would allow the air to escape and yet seal at the very last micron against the cup seal. I just poked a couple holes into the mouthpiece seal on each side of the nipple/air hole. I need to find a lighter to heat the paper clip up so that the holes stay open rather than close shut after pulling the paper clip out.

Does anyone else see the irony in the fact we are analyzing how "mouthpiece's seal onto nipples"?

 

[Briar]

Does anyone else see the irony in the fact we are analyzing how "mouthpiece's seal onto nipples"?

(GROAN)

 

[mwa102464]

I actually took off the center silicone grommet and made bigger slices in the groves to allow more just to get to the cup and like the way this works,,, nothing to do with the mouth piece but I do get a bit more flavor by making bigger notches to allow more room for the wicks to take juice to the heating element it seems, just like we've all done with previous CE2 type units.

I wanted to put a small piece of SS Mesh on the back side of the grommet in the mouth piece to see if it would act as a reflector for the juice but there glued in.

However I think they work super as is !

 

[robl45]

i was thinking about this but i don't think it would work, i think best is just cut nipple down as small as possible so at the very end the mouthpiece just goes over it. otherwise you risk causing leaks if you punching holes in the mouthpiece.

Yes it would work. The trapped air has to move to someplace and "vent holes" in the mouthpiece would do the trick. But.... these "vent holes" could possibly cause a leak. I think there could be a perfect size and location for these "vent holes" that would allow the air to escape and yet seal at the very last micron against the cup seal. I just poked a couple holes into the mouthpiece seal on each side of the nipple/air hole. I need to find a lighter to heat the paper clip up so that the holes stay open rather than close shut after pulling the paper clip out.

Does anyone else see the irony in the fact we are analyzing how "mouthpiece's seal onto nipples"?

 

[vapspaz]

i think best is just cut nipple down as small as possible so at the very end the mouthpiece just goes over it.

You gotta use the secret code. It's the TNT mod.

 

[Briar]

I made holes on each side (from the bottom) of the mouthpiece plug. Just used my dental pick. It looks like they "healed", but apparently it's enough to let some air in. I am not getting any juice in the mouthpiece now, and the taste also seems more pronounced. And no leaking.

Another thing I tried is simply not to push the mouthpiece all the way down. That way the nipple doesn't seem to make an airtight seal with the mouthpiece. I am not sure how that works yet.

One thing I haven't tried is pull the plug from mouthpiece altogether - I'm not sure it would work. I think the mouthpiece will fall out...

There are no drip tips out there that would fit the Reg. Visions, are there?

I tried the Ming tip - just holding it there, since it would just fall off otherwise - as hard as it is to believe, the taste was even better. It's already outstanding, better than Fluxes, imo, but with a Ming... Just unbelievable. I wish there was some way to mod this thing so it would fit.

 

[robl45]

if you take out the rubber on the bottom, then the vision will leak. the key for me is to find a way to aleviate the pressure instead of just jamming air into the cylinder. cutting down the nipple helps because as soon as the rubber hits the nipple, you are sealed and now jamming air into the cylinder. but once you hit that nippe, the air can't get out anymore. I got mine cut almost all the way to the bottom, which creates other issues like being a pain to reseat the rubber thing on the cup without a nipple to guide it. even like that, you still get some bubbles.

I might try to cut the nipple down even more, almost flush and see how that works. but I'll probably order another couple of them before I destroy this one.

EDIT: I would just buy the bigger ones, but I can't really justify paying double the price for esentially a little more tubing. you don't see XXL shirts costing double what a small costs do you? same principle. and if a 4 dollar piece breaks, i'm not that mad, 8 bucks and I'm not a happy camper. but filling these every 45 minutes to an hour is getting old.

 

[harmonic]

oh say i used a sanding drum and sanded the seal flat on both sides so it looks like a stretch seal instead of a giant seal. works perfectly now no air trapping anymore an ok i filled it all the way to the underside of the seal with no air when i put the mp on i just got 1 little bubble (about the size of a bb for a bb gun maybe hair bigger) but still well within acceptable idk
also i have not tweaked my nipple lol

 

[Briar]

Well, I tried different things, and I think the mod I'm happiest with is cutting little notches on the sides of the hole the nipple goes into. It's easy, and it always works without major hassle involved. It does leak a little if you turn it upside down and shake tho. Not an issue for me, but it may be for some.

Of course, that's the whole problem, isn't it? It's meant to be sealed specifically so it doesn't leak. You unseal it, and there is a good probability it will leak. Physics will get you every time.

But, while I don't have a problem with air bubble, per se, I do have a problem with juice getting into the nipple and the subsequent burbling...

 

[arjay55]

Well, I tried different things, and I think the mod I'm happiest with is cutting little notches on the sides of the hole the nipple goes into. It's easy, and it always works without major hassle involved. It does leak a little if you turn it upside down and shake tho. Not an issue for me, but it may be for some.

Of course, that's the whole problem, isn't it? It's meant to be sealed specifically so it doesn't leak. You unseal it, and there is a good probability it will leak. Physics will get you every time.

But, while I don't have a problem with air bubble, per se, I do have a problem with juice getting into the nipple and the subsequent burbling...

Are you lactating? That could cause it you know.

Sorry.

 

[robl45]

cutting the nipple downmight solve some of the gurgling problems.

Well, I tried different things, and I think the mod I'm happiest with is cutting little notches on the sides of the hole the nipple goes into. It's easy, and it always works without major hassle involved. It does leak a little if you turn it upside down and shake tho. Not an issue for me, but it may be for some.

Of course, that's the whole problem, isn't it? It's meant to be sealed specifically so it doesn't leak. You unseal it, and there is a good probability it will leak. Physics will get you every time.

But, while I don't have a problem with air bubble, per se, I do have a problem with juice getting into the nipple and the subsequent burbling...

 

[Briar]

cutting the nipple down might solve some of the gurgling problems.

It does. It doesn't really matter how you prevent the air-tight sealing which causes both the air bubble and the juice-in-the-nipple thing, I suppose. I am just pathologically lazy. Mutilating the tip is less work than removing the plug and then cutting the nipple, so...