R.I. Gov Chafee vetoes bill banning use of e-cigarettes by minors

[BuGlen]

Just saw this come across the news feed:
R.I. Gov Chafee vetoes bill banning use of e-cigarettes by minors | Breaking News | providencejournal.com | The Providence Journal - The Providence Journal

Maybe the state legislature can override the veto?

 

[Berylanna]

Hmmm, I hope someone campaigns against him saying "XXXX favors selling ecigs to minors"

 

[Bill Godshall]

We need to urge RI lawmakers to over ride Chafee's veto that pandered to drug industry funded ACS, AHA, ALA.

Since 2009, ACS, AHA, ALA have falsey accused e-cig companies of target marketing to youth.

CTFK, ACS, AHA, ALA have also been urging FDA to once again ban e-cigarette sales to adults (that call it regulation) by complaining that some states don’t ban sales to minors.

Such hypocrisy, bought and paid for by Big Pharma.

 

[Berylanna]

We need to urge RI lawmakers to over ride Chafee's veto that pandered to drug industry funded ACS, AHA, ALA.

Since 2009, ACS, AHA, ALA have falsey accused e-cig companies of target marketing to youth.

CTFK, ACS, AHA, ALA have also been urging FDA to once again ban e-cigarette sales to adults (that call it regulation) by complaining that some states don’t ban sales to minors.

Such hypocrisy, bought and paid for by Big Pharma.

Some questions:

1. Should people outside of RI chime in?
2. How much alphabet soup should be in the letters? AHA? CTFK? (Campaign for Tobacoo-Free Kids?)
3. Should we just state what you stated above or are there references to articles or web sites of their own?
4. Has anybody asked ALA or ACS which doctors analyzed the statements they are making about carcinogens, harm, etc?
(You and I know that they're parroting the FDA from 2009 but I'd like to hear them admit they are parroting.)

 

[Bill Godshall]

Here's the press release by CTFK, which orchestrated the lobbying campaign urging Chafee to veto the bill, as CTFK basically sets tobacco policies for ACS, AHA, ALA.

Governor Chafee Does the Right Thing by Vetoing Legislation to Exempt E-Cigarettes from Health Regul - Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids

 

[szot]

2 sides to that coin....

1...would U prefer minors to buy analogs?... if they are wanting ecigs, most likely they already are smoking analogs and want a cheaper way out, and/or a healthier way from analogs..

2...do U really think that minors are stupid and cannot get analogs or ecigs if they really want them? ..I'm not referring to 6-8-12 yr old kids, but most likely 16-17 yr old minors...many of whom may also be in the military at 17..

3...do U really believe that the authorities, legislative and judicial branches or the FDA will become Ecig friendly to NON minors (18 and over) adults if we discourage eCigs to minors?...that's a joke and would never happen as long as there is big monies in the pot to the big businesses now in tobacco and Ecigs....we all know lobby groups run this country..and will endorse taxation for the state revenues, no matter what happens because they know people are creatures of habit and will continue to do either eCigs or analogs no matter what..

I'm not condoning analogs or Ecigs to anybody, but I think the lesser of 2 evils is Ecigs, especially for minors....I vape myself to get away from analogs and hopefully 1 day will stop vaping as well, but if I had a 16 yr son or daughter who was sneaking analogs and smoking tobacco or a 17 yr old who was in the military (which I was and also my 2 sons after HS and only 17)...I surely would encourage use of Ecigs over nicotine patches, and wellbutrin meds and other garbage...

 

[Berylanna]

Which is why I'm happy to see ecig SALES to minors forbidden but not POSESSION. I'm a believer in parental rights, for anything not pretty drastic (abuse, 14-year-olds getting arranged marriages, etc), and I don't think my grandkids should get hauled off to jail for something my kids approve.

 

[szot]

lanna...We're on the same page...I have grandkids, 16-17, and its both my sons responsibility and their right to parent them.....my 17 yr old grandson is in the military and finished HS, and just like alcohol, I believe he should have the right (which he does not) to buy analogs, Ecigs or alcohol, since the US GOV has deemed him old enough to go to war and fight for our country and his own rights and those of all of us in this great country....I believe that minors in the military should be exempt from this legislation....yes the law is about sales, not possession...your point is well taken...I see this legislation is more about future taxation of Ecigs to adults than it is minors and sales, hence the want for an override by adults...more of concern for adults taxation than concern for minors and health/safety and wellness......in Mass we have 2 seperate bills regarding this and did not roll this and try to "bundle" it all into 1 bill..

 

[CookingWithGuns]

1. So what, it is already illegal (technically rather an invalid contract) selling e-cigs to non-emancipated minors in ANY state.
2. Nicotine is not regulated against minors, why single out e-cigs?

 

[Bill Godshall]

While there's no evidence that e-cigarettes have ever addicted any nonsmoker, that e-cigarettes are marketed to youth, or that youth regularly use e-cigarettes, the two key reasons many of us have been urging state legislatures to ban e-cigarette sales to minors are because FDA, CTFK, ACS, AHA, ALA, AAP, AMA, Legacy and others have been falsely accusing e-cigarette companies of target marketing e-cigs to children, and because those same entities have been claiming that FDA must swiftly regulate the products (which would ban their sales to adults) to prevent e-cigs sales to minors.

 

[Berylanna]

So, make them pay. Don't call them hypocrites. Pick ONE of their statements, and hold them to it AS THOUGH they are sincere and know what they are saying....IMO they have now acquired enough rope for us to play with.

I pick: 'We think it's safe for kids to buy these for another year until we get the law we want'

That results in: ALA strongly suggests that ecig sales to minors are safe-enough so that ALA's wish for a perfect law trumps that concern without causing ALA any worry about the children.

You could also pick: "We are very concerned about minors and ecigs" + "we need to HURRY
to regulate"

That results in "We're choosing to knowingly endanger minors for an entire year, with something we consider so dangerous, we don't think anybody should wait AT ALL to regulate them."

Why should we complain if the ALA is willing to come out IN PUBLIC implying that ecigs are that safe?

Or, alternately, should the American parents be trying to hang them for exposing children to Demon Nicotine? (And maybe a Pediatrician's organization would like to slap them around a little bit?)

 

[szot]

lanna...I like your style and thinking...utilize their own ways and actions (or lack of) to really open some eyes and get the point across....