Rambling thoughts on my next step

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Dzaw

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Trying to get my brain in order. It's going to be time to replace my beloved vamo soon. It's about a year old, and the button is getting finicky. I want to upgrade, not just stay the same.

Thinking I'm probably going to replace it with a DNA mod. Partially waiting until the end of the month to see if there's a new chip coming like ........ claims, partially just waiting until the xmas rush is over, and partially waiting to get all of my plans in order before I spend any coin.

Whether or no there's a new chip, I'm probably going to build my own. It really isn't that complicated, all of the requisite skills and tools are already mine, and it's hella less pricey than buying a DNA20 mod of comparable utility. (I don't like the built in batteries you have to micro usb charge).

I'm kinda chasing a holy grail while I'm at it though. I was thinking a parallel pair of 18650's for a real all day vape. I have to change my batts both in the morning and evening with my vamo (efest 18650 1600 mAh), but with two in parallel, I'm hoping much less so.

Which got me to thinking... For batteries in parallel - does the viable drain rate in amps increase over a single batt? Could I make a side by side parallel mech and safely sub ohm with batts that have a 10 amp limit? If not sub ohm mech, how about some of those really high capacity, but lower draw batts for a regulated device? The DNA 20 draws a max of 7 amps, so even batteries limited at 4 amps should be good in parallel, right? A pair of 3600 mAh batts would make a hella long vape time. With a spare pair, I'd be good for almost a week without charging!

While I'm at it, I'm very much unsatisfied with juice capacity. I run 4 protanks. Most of the time, they're all full of the same flavor. I fill them up in the morning one day, and by the end of the day, I'm down to one full, and the dregs of another, with two empties. I had real fots with cartotanks, but have learned a lot since then, and will be trying again soon (I have some IKV puched cartos on the way, but need to get a cheap tank to test with). I loved having a 5-6 ml capacity in one tank. I hated the flooding and burning I CONSTANTLY got with carto tanks. 'course now I vape at about 8 ish watts, and I was cranking the cartos at 12 ish watts, which I'm thinking may have been the cause of all my woes. Chain vaping at 12 watts, the whole tank got noticibly hot, and I can imagine that made my juice super thin and thus the flooding. When it cooled, I hit the carto with a PWM 12 watts and scorched the filler. At least, I'm hoping that was the problem, 'cause I'd really like that kind of capacity again.

OTOH, I've loved the protanks for the overall consistency of vape. I can pick up my vamo any time, hit the fire button and get a satisfying vapor out of it (unless the tank is empty, or the batts are too low - thus the above). I don't have to worry about the mod being on its side, diagonally in my car's cup holder, or upside down. That's why I don't use my AGA T2 for 'on the go' as itll spill if it tilts too far.

While I'm replacing the mod, I was hoping to replace the protanks. Like I said, I'mma try carto tanks again. If those don't pan out - it's back to some sort of bcc, as I'm really after a combination of capacity and trouble free reliability. The aspire design seems very promising, but I'm not really seeing a notable increase in capacity from my current protanks. Sure, the preliminary reviews seem to indicate that they'll be a step up in VTF as well as trouble free convenience, but I'd really love the capacity to go with... There are some larger tanks that take protank heads, but then I don't get an upgraded VTF... I want my cake and to eat it too darned it!


I'm not looking specifically for definite answers, but rather hoping to spark some conversation along these various disparate lines. Hoping for additional musings, observations, inspiration, etc.
 

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I vaped pretty much the same amount when I was at 24mg. Now I'm down to 12. I can put it down for a few hours if I'm busy, and not notice. Unfortunately, my job gives me lots and lots of time to vape - either at the computer, or driving. When I'm busy with other things, I can go a few hours without noticing, but I gotta work for a living, and that means lots of idle time to vape.

Plus, I really love to vape. I used to really love to smoke, and went through 24-36 ish clove "little cigars" a day.

May go bottom feed. It'd certainly offer the juice capacity I'm after. How's the mess factor if you drop them, turn them on their side or upside down, etc? How about battery life?
 

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I vaped pretty much the same amount when I was at 24mg. Now I'm down to 12. I can put it down for a few hours if I'm busy, and not notice. Unfortunately, my job gives me lots and lots of time to vape - either at the computer, or driving. When I'm busy with other things, I can go a few hours without noticing, but I gotta work for a living, and that means lots of idle time to vape.

Plus, I really love to vape. I used to really love to smoke, and went through 24-36 ish clove "little cigars" a day.

May go bottom feed. It'd certainly offer the juice capacity I'm after. How's the mess factor if you drop them, turn them on their side or upside down, etc? How about battery life?
I use a REO grand which is one of the MECH REOs, there is a VV version. Battery life an 18650 lasts me pretty much all day UNLESS I am running a low ohm atty then I might go through 2 in a day (I do not sub ohm).

Lots of choices of toppers for a REO. You can use regular dripping attys or a bottom fed rebuildable like a RM2. I run the RM2. My REO does not leak at all UNLESS I badly over squonk into the RM2 and it comes out the airhole. Kinda hard to do that. I knock my REO over all the time if there was going to be a mess I'd have seen it by now.

ALSO just an FYI a REO has a 510 connector so you can use a regular topper on it you just will not be bottom feeding it.
 

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OK - in an effort to broaden my horizons and figure out where I want to go next with my vaping (not quite where I want to be for VTF) I got a little carto tank today. It's the only thing my local place has for carto tanks (they're not a proper vape shop, sort of a new age/headshop/adult novelty store, but they have an ok ish selection of overpriced vape gear).

The tank in question is a smoketech UDCT - the one with the locking ring that screws on the bottom. This particular version is the very very slim one - there's so little juice between the carto and the glass that the air bubbles that come out of the carto holes get squeezed and deformed.

Anyhow - I am finally enjoying a carto tank! This is huge news for me! I've had so many bad go-rounds with carto tanks, and it essentially came from two problems. 1: I don't think I have a particularly high opinion of smoketech dual coil cartos. 2: I was cranking them along at 12.5 watts on my vamo. I always had flooding or burnt taste, and gave up on carto tanks.

Now that I've learned a bit, and turned the power down to a reasonable 8-9 watts, and am using an Ikenvape carto, I'm not having any problems!


However, testing side by side with my protank, a few things are clear:

The protank makes about twice as much/ thick vapor
The TH from the protank reflects the vapor production - not "more throat hit" so much as "thicker, more saturated throat hit".
I like the airier draw from the protank more than the more restricted draw from the (this) carto tank

Now, aside from one of these being a bcc, and the other being a carto tank, the two are radically different in resistance. The protank has a head that my vamo measures to 2.6 ohms. The Ikenvape carto is a low resistance, and measures out to 1.7 ohms. Is the higher resistance coil responsible for the vapor and TH difference, or is it a function of the draw and build? Are all carto tanks this anemic with vapor production (unless you go dual coil?). Is it the fault of the cheap tank as opposed to the well respected and trusted Ikenvape carto? Is the cartomizer just a lower output format?

I am really trying to isolate the source of my dissatisfaction with the carto tank because I'd really, really LOVE to get the kind of vapor and TH I get from my protank (or even better, please, please, please) with the kind of capacity I can get in a carto tank (I've seen them up to 8ml, and can imagine they must get even bigger).

As noted above, I suppose I could go bottom feeder. I don't know why, but somehow that fails to appeal to me, despite the fact that on the surface it seems to want to offer me the best of both worlds.
 

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Second the Reo suggestions. I'm using the Grand and Rm2 combo and loving it. I also just figured out that I can get it to take the 9 ml bottles that came with my vmod :D As far as batteries go, I don't think your idea of parallel batteries would actually increase your amp draw, but you can get double the life you're getting now out of a single batt. I just got the panasonic 3400 mah hybrids from orbtronics for $10 each. That model only has a 6.8 amp discharge rating, but it's sufficient for my usage. If you need higher drain they make 2900 mah with 10 amp ratings. As a side note, the usable vaping current seems to increase by more than you would expect from just the mah rating, since so much of a batteries life is below the voltage you would actually want to use. I was carrying around a 2200 and 2000 mah battery and killing them both every day before I got home from work. Today I took my new 3400 panny and have been vaping it for over 14 hours and it's still going strong.
 
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