
Well thanks
I'll have to read the entire thread now (although I was planning to) but placed my order for some of their flavors last night before reading through it.
I hope you do ask him. I started to, asking what he ment by "alternative molecules" and got a paper (over my head) an I haven't followed up - just got busy. He seemed interested in writting something about ingredients in eliquids and has a start on his website. IMO, he seems pretty open to questions and he seems to love chemistry.
Some of the VZ flavors do contain diacetyl - the Gourmet. There is a listing of which ones on Bakers Flavor website in Russian. You'll have to use a translater. Remember that some flavors are used in concentrations of less than 0.5%-1% and I assume they are listing those amounts UNDILUTED. That makes a difference. However, there are a few that are extrodinarly high.
To my knowledge, no one knows where VZ's Super Concentrates are sourced from - "China". That's not saying much. If your concerned, stay away from custards, cake, waffles, butterscotch, carmels, i.e. IMO the yummy flavors. Many people have tried to find the source for those - so if you find out, let us know. But again, those flavors use the lowest concentrations (next to Gourmet).
Next up is FA for low concentration. I'm hesitant with NF due to high concentrations required and the presence of alcohol (I tend to react to that too. Not uncommon with PG allergies I guess). My game plan is to stick with as little flavoring as possible and it's a good thing I also like fruit without requiring it to be creamy. Oh well, I guess being let loose in a bakery was too much of a dream to be true. LOL!
I hear people talking about doing their own extracts, but it's not quite that simple nor would it always produce a safer flavor or it would have been done by now. Most homes don't have a way of filtering out undesirable parts found in food (including diacetyl), want to pay for testing or have any other way of knowing what it's got in it. My hunch is vanilla, coffee and tea are fairly safe. But why? Those are fairly safe in flavorings too.
I suspect there's been progress made in extractions lately. But it's beyond me. I've also tried to contact flavor manufacturers indepently and the conversation quickly gets into molecules and beyond my basic knowledge.
On the other thread link, there is mention that eliquids (premixed) AEMSA requires labeling that clearly identifies which one are made with diacetyl. There is nothing about flavors used. The flavoring trade organization is concerned with food safe flavors and they don't reccomend selling to the ecig industry. Technically, all these flavorings are labeled appropiate for industry standards. The vaping standard is higher. Nothing in the current regulations is aimed at sorting this out. This is what we got to work with right now. Some people choose to vape unflavored.
I'm just making the best choices I can with what I know and I expect what I know will be changing all the time.
Has anyone else watched the comedy "Farmed and Dangerous" on Netflix/Hulu?