Raw Mouth - is it nic or something else?

[Vwls]

I tried four new juices today and now my mouth is raw - feels like a mild chemical burn.

I drank lots of water and liquids while I vaped, so it's not a matter of getting too dry.

Also it wasn't an issue with over-doing; all told, I vaped less than 1 ml over the course of the entire day.


In general, is it nicotine itself that causes raw mouth? Or could I be having a reaction to the flavor additives in the liquids I tried?


Vaped today in order:
Jade Tiger, 18 mg, 33%VG (by Mister-e-liquid)
Four of a Kind, 12 mg, 33%VG (by Mister-e-liquid)
G.T.F.O., 18 mg, 33%VG (by Mister-e-Liquid)
Extreme Ice, 6 mg, 50%VG (by Mt Baker Vapor) --> after vaping this is when I noticed the raw mouth, but it could have been a delayed effect from the ones I tried earlier in the day...

I suppose this is a lesson - better to try only one new juice a day so you can isolate what doesn't work for you?

 

[MiamiMom63]

I really don't know. Maybe the juice called Extreme Ice with the heavy menthol or whatever did it? Like I said, it's hard to say. I know personally I have to be careful with juices sometimes because of my severe allergy to peanuts. I am careful about trying tobaccos or other flavors that might have it. OMG, don't know what I would do if I vaped peanut. lol.

 

[Vwls]

I really don't know. Maybe the juice called Extreme Ice with the heavy menthol or whatever did it? Like I said, it's hard to say. I know personally I have to be careful with juices sometimes because of my severe allergy to peanuts. I am careful about trying tobaccos or other flavors that might have it. OMG, don't know what I would do if I vaped peanut. lol.

I'd agree with you, but the menthol flavor wasn't that strong at all. Also that was the one with the lowest nic and the lowest PG.

Can you eat other nuts?

 

[jfrich]

Could the juices need further steeping? Just wondering this as I've had issues lately with the alcohol in some juices, and had to wait til it evaporated.

 

[Vwls]

Could the juices need further steeping? Just wondering this as I've had issues lately with the alcohol in some juices, and had to wait til it evaporated.

Hmmm. The first three are juices sent to me by a forum member here who had them for a while... so if sitting in a bottle for months = steeping, I'd say they are very well steeped... The Extreme Ice by Mt Baker Vapor just arrived direct from the company a few days ago. So I suppose that one might need steeping?

 

[patkin]

I've been vaping Mr E juices for 8 months... lots of them... including Jade Tiger and .... but have never had a reaction like that. How long have you been vaping? Have you vaped other juices with close to the same percentages PG/VG? I mean Mr E is the only one making 33% to my knowledge so I mean close to that ratio. Have you vaped juices with similar taste profiles (pineapple, coconut, berries) from other vendors? Are you still smoking? If not how long since you have? What setup are you using? What voltage? Have you gotten raw juice in your mouth? Lots of things to look at.

this is the third time trying to edit this and it won't take... anyway... I've vaped Jade Tiger for 8 months now and .... for about 3... haven't vaped the other two. Hope that helps.

Ugh.. now I see.. ya can't say G.T.F.O. without the periods... sheesh.

 

[The Ocelot]

A lot of vapers report mouth/dental problems when they quit smoking. Nicotine is a vascular constrictor, but apparently other ingredients/by-products of cigarette smoking are more powerful, so when you stop any pre-existing conditions come to the surface.

I found this article interesting:

Why do my gums bleed now that I've started vaping?


ETA: I've had juices that make my mouth feel raw too. No clue why. I've also had flavors I've loved suddenly burn the heck out of my lungs to the point I can't vape them anymore.

 

[Vwls]

Thanks Patkin for helping me to figure this out - it's actually very important because if I can't get past this/learn how to avoid it, I'll never be able to explore all the cool flavors.

I'll answer all your questions.

How long have you been vaping? 11 days

Have you vaped other juices with close to the same percentages PG/VG? Up until today, I have been vaping only one: a menthol juice by 4EverEjuice - it is 16 mg and I think about 70/30 (although I'm not positive about the PG/VG ratio because the bottle doesn't say and it doesn't mention it on their website either).

Have you vaped juices with similar taste profiles (pineapple, coconut, berries) from other vendors? No never.

Are you still smoking? If not how long since you have? No - 11 days clean!

What setup are you using? What voltage? $20 eGo CE4 kit (waiting on much better stuff in the mail, but this was what they had at the local store) - it says the voltage is DC 3.0-4.2 V.

Have you gotten raw juice in your mouth? It's possible a small bit may have gotten in there. Would that explain it?

I've been vaping Mr E juices for 8 months... lots of them... including Jade Tiger and .... but have never had a reaction like that. How long have you been vaping? Have you vaped other juices with close to the same percentages PG/VG? I mean Mr E is the only one making 33% to my knowledge so I mean close to that ratio. Have you vaped juices with similar taste profiles (pineapple, coconut, berries) from other vendors? Are you still smoking? If not how long since you have? What setup are you using? What voltage? Have you gotten raw juice in your mouth? Lots of things to look at.

 

[Funk Dracula]

Depending on how heavy a smoker you were, and if you are abstaining from smoking 100%, you may be experiencing "Quitters Flu."

I experienced this. For me, it started a little over a week after completely abstaining from tobacco, and lasted about a week 1/2. It's a physiological response to the lack of the severe chemicals being imputed into your body system on a regular basis.

You know what tho? See a doctor.

-B

 

[Vwls]

Depending on how heavy a smoker you were, and if you are abstaining from smoking 100%, you may be experiencing "Quitters Flu."

I experienced this. For me, it started a little over a week after completely abstaining from tobacco, and lasted about a week 1/2. It's a physiological response to the lack of the severe chemicals being imputed into your body system on a regular basis.

You know what tho? See a doctor.

-B

I would agree with you but I was not a heavy smoker (5-6 cigs a day at most, often only 2-3), and I am positive this happened as a direct result of the vaping I did today.

 

[Funk Dracula]

I would agree with you but I was not a heavy smoker (5-6 cigs a day at most, often only 2-3), and I am positive this happened as a direct result of the vaping I did today.

See a doctor.

-B

 

[Vwls]

The raw mouth is feeling a little better - I have been drinking chamomile tea with honey and lemon. I am starting to think that a drop of e-liquid made it into my mouth - either that or my mouth does not like the Extreme Ice by Mt Baker...

 

[NGAHaze]

Do you have any allergies? It's possible that you might be having an allergic reaction to one or more of the juices, especially given that you only vaped 1ml the entire day; that's not very much really. As you already mentioned, it might be best, at least for the time being, to limit yourself to vaping a single flavor a day if possible, noting any reactions should they occur. That would help in isolating what specifically you are having issues with.

 

[Vwls]

Do you have any allergies? It's possible that you might be having an allergic reaction to one or more of the juices, especially given that you only vaped 1ml the entire day; that's not very much really. As you already mentioned, it might be best, at least for the time being, to limit yourself to vaping a single flavor a day if possible, noting any reactions should they occur. That would help in isolating what specifically you are having issues with.

No allergies that I am aware of but this is all new for me, and let's face it, inhaling the vapor from a substance is a lot different than eating or directly ingesting that substance. But I agree with you - the lesson here is to stick with one new juice at a time, give it a day, and either eliminate it from my list, or add it to the arsenal based on the response. It would be so awesome if I could know now what to stay away from. Finding the right juices is the hardest part!

 

[NGAHaze]

No allergies that I am aware of but this is all new for me, and let's face it, inhaling the vapor from a substance is a lot different than eating or directly ingesting that substance. But I agree with you - the lesson here is to stick with one new juice at a time, give it a day, and either eliminate it from my list, or add it to the arsenal based on the response. It would be so awesome if I could know now what to stay away from. Finding the right juices is the hardest part!

Yes indeed, finding the flavors that are right for you is the probably the hardest part of vaping and one that is likely to change somewhat as you go along. I know that early on, I really wanted an authentic tobacco flavor, today, not so much. Some days I find that I really want something with a little kick like Cinnamon Red Hots but tomorrow that won't appeal to me one bit. You will hear people talk about their ADV (All Day Vape) but for me personally, I've yet to find one. I change flavors frequently but you may find one or more that work for you like that, especially since you are a relatively light vaper; that's a good thing by the way!

What were you vaping before you got these 4 new flavors? I'm assuming you didn't have an issue with whatever that was so that could be your baseline for what you know is safe for you. It's a start anyway, right?

 

[Vwls]

What were you vaping before you got these 4 new flavors? I'm assuming you didn't have an issue with whatever that was so that could be your baseline for what you know is safe for you. It's a start anyway, right?

It was a menthol juice by 4EverEjuice... 16 mg and I think about 70/30 PG/VG... but I didn't like it much. It was just the only menthol they had at the local shop where I bought my kit. I was really looking forward to finding something I loved.

 

[buddywally]

I tried four new juices today and now my mouth is raw - feels like a mild chemical burn.

I drank lots of water and liquids while I vaped, so it's not a matter of getting too dry.

Also it wasn't an issue with over-doing; all told, I vaped less than 1 ml over the course of the entire day.


In general, is it nicotine itself that causes raw mouth? Or could I be having a reaction to the flavor additives in the liquids I tried?

I've experienced some similar irritations from CE-4 clearos and especially my Kanger T-3. I think the culprit (in my case) is a flooded atomizer which spits (sputters really) un-vaped juice up into my mouth. I've also noticed that there is usually a pretty loud crackling sound if I fire my mod (away from my mouth) and with the T3, I can actually see a little "fireworks-like" spray of e-juice shooting out of the drip tip. With my CE4s, I've found that loosening the screw-down driptip and tipping the apparatus slightly, releases the juice that builds up in the bottom of DT trapped by the white top of the atomizer region. The clearos tend to flood if they've been sitting on their sides (on the passenger seat in my car). I haven't found a fix for the T3 and have shelved it. If you notice a sweet taste (for fruity ecigs) on the tip of your tongue or lips, this may be what is happening.

If you're vaping PG-heavy juice, and you're getting some of the actual liquid on the tissues in your mouth/throat, well PG is hygroscopic, meaning that it will pull water out of those tissues and dry them severely, which would probably dry and then irritate the ever-loving heck out of them. (not an MD, but a chemist)

Thou shalt drink water while vaping is like one of the ten commandments of vaping I've learned, up there with Thou shouldest always have backup and Thou shall NEVER take the name of ProVari in vain

Seriously though, you might want to check out a Kanger Mini-Tank or other bottom coil rig (T3 not recommended though).

 

[NGAHaze]

It was a menthol juice by 4EverEjuice... 16 mg and I think about 70/30 PG/VG... but I didn't like it much. It was just the only menthol they had at the local shop where I bought my kit. I was really looking forward to finding something I loved.

Well the good news is that you probably aren't having an issue with the menthol aspect of your juice since you were able to vape it successfully previously. It sounds like you would like to have something with a menthol twist correct? Did you smoke menthol's when you were smoking?

I only ask because you may find that matching what you smoked previously isn't all that important, at least it ended up being that way for me. I know that was the case with quite a few others as well. I really like fruity flavors and some dessert type flavors which oddly enough, I initially thought the idea of vaping those types of flavors was crazy and something I'd never be interested in!

I also really like Mountain Dew flavored e-juice, probably because I also like the soft drink version. That's another area of interest for me in regards to flavors. I've been trying to find a good Mtn. Dew Code Red flavor and have come close but not quite there yet. It's a journey and I'm enjoying the ride. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the flavors you listed so I can't really get an idea of what flavors you are looking for in your e-juice but I'm pretty certain that there are flavors available that you will enjoy vaping.

My suggestion first however, would be to eliminate the last juice that you vaped and only use one of the other three tomorrow and see how that goes. I'm hoping it all goes well which would indicate it was probably just something in that one juice. I tend to think that might be the case, it at least seems the most likely, although to be certain, you'd need to do the same with the other two juices as well. I'd be interested in hearing the results!

Don't let this bother you too much, it's just a little bump in the road, that's all!

 

[NotoriousJDP]

I've heard quite a few new vapers complain about sore mouths and such.

I know that one of the side effects of quitting smoking is sores in the mouth. I am in no way a dentist or doctor, but I have visited many. I learned this when I tried quitting for the very first time using a nicotine inhaler. I got sores in my mouth and went to the doctor freaking out, thinking the inhaler was the culprit. My doctor told me it was from quitting cigarettes. It has something to do with the amounts of bacteria in your mouth and also with your body releasing built up toxins. It can be quite uncomfortable but will pass.

 

[NotoriousJDP]

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