Iusedtoanalog- I'm still fighting the desire!.Iusedtoanalog this is what I'm playing with... not a full deck- WHO SAID THAT?.OK now that's out of the way ; )) this is what's on board:
1x 10ml 'Buttery Nipple' "Doubler" Flavour i.e. 100% PG; 0 nic.
YOU WROTE: "I think You have a 30mg nic base in PG form"
A= YES i.e..1x 30ml 'No Flavour' PG; 36mg nic
YOU WROTE: "Do you also have a VG based nic? If so then what is the concentration?"
A= YES i.e..1x ~500ml 'No Flavour' VG; 48mg nic.
MY Q1. I'm assuming the 48mg nic VG liquid above is per ml is that correct?.
MY Q2. Does mg/ml equal 1:1 i.e. are they the same measurement/concentration what-have-you even.though one's stated as a weight and the other as a volume?
1x 30ml 'No Flavour' VG; 0 nic .
The above 4 items are what I'll be mixing with.
YOU WROTE: "If your flavor doubler is PG based, and you have VG nic, as well as PG nic. then I think I am following..."
A= You're spot on! Woo Hoo! Yay! 8^ ))
YOU WROTE: "raw flavor concentrates"
MY Q. I'm not sure whether we have that in Australia, is that the alcohol component I've seen in some recipes etc? .
Well that's it (I think : ) Iusedtoanalog I want to say thank you again for your help and your welcome to the forum, it's very kind of you (and everyone that's reponded by the way!)
Hi. Based upon the previous
thread, I think that you will need to spend some more time learning the basics of this, if you want a safe and successful result. I'll try to help with that.
First, your terminology is odd, therefore your questions are confusing. Here is my interpretation of your supplies:
10ml of 0mg/ml (nic) 'Buttery Nipple' "Doubler" e-liquid, (100%) PG
30ml of 36mg/ml (nic) PG (Base)
~500ml of 48mg/ml (nic) VG (Base)
30ml (0mg/ml, no nic, plain <- pick one, but these are not necessary) VG
Ok, I'm guessing that the first one is
finished no nic e-liquid from an e-liquid vendor, with a 'double flavoring' option added. If so, this is not the usual way that DIYers get flavorings. We use much more highly concentrated flavorings, like those sold by
The Perfumer's Apprentice. This e-liquid would make for a pretty weak flavoring, but is usable. A normal flavoring would be used at 10% of the mix, give or take.
Anything in ()s in that list is basically optional to get your point across. When speaking of nicotine liquid, simply state the nicotine concentration. By saying 'I've got 30 ml of 36mg/ml PG', we know all of the pertinent info. We normally use unflavored nic liquid for DIY, so it's not necessary to state that. We often call it a 'base', because it's what makes up the bulk of the liquid.
Nicotine liquids should always be referred to by their concentration of nicotine, in mg of nicotine per ml of liquid. That means that your 500 ml of 48mg/ml VG base is a 500ml bottle of VG with
24,000mg of nicotine dissolved into it. Wikipedia says that
'3060 mg (0.51.0 mg/kg) can be a lethal dosage for adult humans', so you should obviously take great care when working with such liquids, as they can pose a hazard by inhalation and skin contact as well.
Now, when we make a mix, it's normally comprised of a nicotine base liquid, some non-nicotine cutting liquid (VG or PG), and some concentrated food flavorings. The brands of flavorings that are commonly used can be found in the stickies at the top of this forum, and a few of these companies have accommodated our community by removing ingredients that we have expressed concerns about. These flavorings will usually make up 1-20% of the finished liquid, depending upon their particular potency.
Still assuming that your choice of flavoring is actually an e-liquid that is meant for vaping, it's got only a small percentage of concentrated flavoring in it, so you'll have to use quite a lot more of it than you would a proper flavoring. Assuming that it's actually double the flavoring of a normal e-liquid, then you'll need for it to be about 50% of your finished liquid.
You stated in a different post that you wanted 10ml of 20mg/ml with 70% PG and 30% VG. Your supplies are sorely lacking for that target, in general. You'll need some plain PG to make use of all of that VG nic liquid, if that will continue to be your target.
If I were you, I wouldn't get too hung-up on the PG/VG ratio at this point. It will simplify things immensely, and you can always dial that in, one way or the other, when you've learned more.
On to the problem. Your flavoring is weak, and will have to be a large portion of the juice. It's PG, so that works out fine for your target PG percentage. That will necessitate the use of your stronger VG nic base to complete it.
20mg/ml target / 48mg/ml base concentration = .417, so you need to have the 48mg/ml VG as 41.7% of the liquid to hit that target. While it's probably possible to mix some of the 36mg/ml PG nic base in there to hit your 70/30 target, doing that and keeping your target nic concentration,
and leaving enough room for your high flavoring percentage is a bit outrageous in difficulty at this point. You'd do well to simplify it by planning, and buying the proper ingredients. I'd try one of these:
4.17ml of 48mg/ml VG
5.83ml of BN flavored PG
That would be approx. 58/42 PG/VG, and maybe a bit strong on the flavor, but I doubt that. I'd guess that this would be pretty good.
2.08ml of 48mg/ml VG
2.78ml of 36mg/ml PG
5.14ml of BN flavored PG
That would be 79/21 PG/VG, and maybe just right on the flavor, but I'd guess that it'd be a bit weak.
3.00ml of 48mg/ml VG (3.00 * 48 = 144mg of nic, )
1.55ml of 36mg/ml PG (plus 55.8mg of nic, for a total of 199.8mg in 10ml, or 19.98mg/ml)
5.45ml of BN flavored PG
That would be 70/30 PG/VG, and probably decent on flavor.
I did these calculations by hand. Just remember that if you want 10ml of 20mg/ml, then your target is 200mg of nicotine in a 10ml solution. If you do the math, you can verify your results, as I showed on the last recipe. It would be a good idea to do that even if you use an e-juice calculator, just to be safe.
Keep in mind that you have not gotten a concentrated flavoring, so you're probably going to need 50-60% of your flavored liquid in the mix. Normally that percentage would be much, much lower.
Good luck, and please post back here if you don't understand any of that.
