Read between the Lines, not good!

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ladyraj

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While browsing the Tobacco.org : Welcome site I found a new article on the e-cig. At first glance the article appears to be balanced, but once you read the buzzwords, you realize it is not balanced at all. This article is framed in negativity from the beginning of the piece. It can be found at: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/us/02cigarette.html?_r=1&hp

Cigarettes Without Smoke, or Regulation (Excerpts and my emphasis in bold):

-The battery-powered device she bought online delivered an odorless dose of nicotine and flavoring without cigarette tar or additives, and produced a vapor mist nearly identical in appearance to tobacco smoke.

-“I feel like this could save my life,” said Ms. Smeaton, 47, who has cut her tobacco smoking to a pack and a half daily, supplemented by her e-cigarette.

-That electronic cigarettes are unapproved by the government and virtually unstudied has not deterred thousands of smokers from flocking to mall kiosks and the Internet to buy them. And because they produce no smoke, they can be used in workplaces, restaurants and airports. One distributor is aptly named Smoking Everywhere.

-The reaction of medical authorities and antismoking groups has ranged from calls for testing to skepticism to outright hostility. Opponents say the safety claims are more rumor than anything else, since the components of e-cigarettes have never been tested for safety.

-In fact, the[URL="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/food_and_drug_administration/index.html?inline=nyt-org"]Food and Drug Administration[/URL] has already refused entry to dozens of shipments of e-cigarettes coming into the country, mostly from China, the chief maker of them, where manufacture began about five years ago. The F.D.A. took similar action in 1989, refusing shipments of an earlier, less appealing version, Favor Smoke-Free Cigarettes.

-The flavorings include tobacco, menthol and cherry, and the levels of nicotine vary by cartridge.

-Propylene glycol is used in antifreeze, and also to create artificial smoke or fog in theatrical productions. The F.D.A. has classified it as an additive that is “generally recognized as safe” for use in food. But when asked whether inhaling it was safe, Dr. Richard D. Hurt, director of the Nicotine Dependence Center at the Mayo Clinic, said, “I don’t think so, but I’m not sure anyone knows for sure.”

-Public health officials also worry that the devices’ fruit flavors, novelty and ease of access may entice children.

-“It looks like a cigarette and is marketed as a cigarette,” said Jonathan P. Winickoff, an associate professor at the Massachusetts General Hospital for Children and chairman of the American Academy of Pediatrics Tobacco Consortium. “There’s nothing that prevents youth from getting addicted to nicotine.”

#### The fair and balanced part (seems almost like an after-thought):

Distributors of electronic cigarettes fear that a bill making its way through Congress that would give the F.D.A. the authority to regulate tobacco could be used to put them out of business as well. The bill has passed the House and could be taken up by the Senate this week.

The only American study of electronic cigarettes, now under way at Virginia Commonwealth University and financed by the National Cancer Institute, deals not with the kind of safety questions raised by propylene glycol but rather with the amount of nicotine processed by the bodies of the products’ users.

Another study, conducted this year at the University of Auckland in New Zealand and financed by Ruyan, an electronic cigarette company, shows that users typically receive 10 percent to 18 percent of the nicotine delivered by a tobacco cigarette.

Smoking Everywhere, a Florida-based distributor of electronic cigarettes, sued the F.D.A on April 28, claiming that the agency did not have jurisdiction to refuse the imported devices.

“The F.D.A. has the power to regulate Nicorette gum and the like because it is marketed as a smoking cessation product,” said Kip Schwartz, a lawyer for Smoking Everywhere. But the company says its products are a cigarette alternative for adult enjoyment and make no claims to help smokers quit, Mr. Schwartz added.

Matt Salmon, a spokesman for the Electronic Cigarette Association, which represents six distributors, said e-cigarettes delivered nothing more than a mixture of nicotine and water vapor and emitted “no carcinogens.” The association declined to give sales figures, but said that “hundreds of thousands” of people used the products and that the average age of those users was the mid-40s.

“It’s a really good alternative for people who smoke tobacco,” Mr. Salmon said.
 
It bothers me. Research has been done in the past in Europe, but I guess their studies aren't "scientific" enough. They also do not point out that PG is a widespread, FDA-approved food additive...No, they have to say anti-freeze, not mentioning that it is the enviromentally safer, less toxic anti-freeze than the old PPG type.
I also am offended that we have government organizations whose sole purpose is to regulate what we can eat, drink, inhale...whatever and can, with the stroke of a pen, ban such products based on their own, self-professed ignorance.. I thought that we lived in a country where people (or products, for that matter) are innocent until proven guilty. The FDA apparently wants to control this, admitting that "they don't know".
Watch these idiots. They want to control everything we do.
 

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Lady while it does have some negativity in it, it does indeed show that they are working on studies and are trying to debunk some of the myths. I feel strongly that it will come out well for us. Keep hope alive as right now that's all we have.

Hope will not keep this campaign alive but rebuttal of the negative points will. Knowing what we're dealing with is the first step...:D
 

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This article really bothers me too, particularly the quote from the doctor who somehow doesn't know that PG is used in inhalers for asthma and other medications, or as an air sanitizer in hospitals, etc. And, for the article's failure to acknowledge that there is a whole other segment of the medical and public health community that does know that ecigs are orders of magnitude safer than tobacco cigarettes.

So I wrote the NYT web editor a nice long email to that effect. The email is similar to an email I sent to a reporter for a local Rochester news station who also had a piece published in written and video form today, that I posted here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ant-interview-someone-today-2.html#post322961

I changed the contents of the email to the NYT to more specifically address the issues I have with their article, however.
 

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hi my name is Mark, im new here and im a smoker of 3 packs of cigs a day , and iv cut back on most day's to a pack or pack and a half a day due to e cigs, Thanks, but my real arguement is that it is not write for the government to impose themselves on anyone who hasnt done no wrong, such as the smoking ban to begin with, they made resaraunts go thru the trouble to redo their ventilating systems in the 90's, {which i would try to sue for} it was ok when they made it 50/50 but that wasnt good enough, well then build a partitioning wall { what geniesses } but the non smokers would have somthing to say about that to. this is what happens when you have turn key bussiness and chain store's and Franchise happening, they and the polititions and lobbyist get together and do what they want. its wrong.its just like kids going to colledge to learn a trade, and then have them take ther bussiness elsewhere and what are they left to do? START OVER? Thats wrong to. they train hard and get parted from their family's to go to far away Reconized coledge's , to have this done to them. any colledge should be Reconized if they put their time in. Soldier's have fought and die'd, and got maimed for our FREEDOM, its 18 to fight for our country, but 21 to drink. and again its 18 to be prosicuted as an adult, { SOMTHINGS WRONG HERE } now im not saying drink and smoke, but what i am saying is if your old enouf to fight for are country , then you are old enouf to make your own decision. Whats good for the Goose is good for the Gander. INTEGRITY AND FAIRNESS if ther is somthing out there to help the FDA should look into it, and make sure it is safe, and not just for profit, look at the car company's how CRYLER went so far as to hide the battery, they want everything controlled, thats not right so this is what happens to companys like that they do theirselve's in, then they look to be bailed out/ LOL INTEGRITY none at all, KEEP IT SIMPLE. everything balance's out, most of the time if thing's are done right. Thanks for reading
 

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hi my name is Mark, im new here and im a smoker of 3 packs of cigs a day , and iv cut back on most day's to a pack or pack and a half a day due to e cigs, Thanks, but my real arguement is that it is not write for the government to impose themselves on anyone who hasnt done no wrong, such as the smoking ban to begin with, they made resaraunts go thru the trouble to redo their ventilating systems in the 90's, {which i would try to sue for} it was ok when they made it 50/50 but that wasnt good enough, well then build a partitioning wall { what geniesses } but the non smokers would have somthing to say about that to. this is what happens when you have turn key bussiness and chain store's and Franchise happening, they and the polititions and lobbyist get together and do what they want. its wrong.its just like kids going to colledge to learn a trade, and then have them take ther bussiness elsewhere and what are they left to do? START OVER? Thats wrong to. they train hard and get parted from their family's to go to far away Reconized coledge's , to have this done to them. any colledge should be Reconized if they put their time in. Soldier's have fought and die'd, and got maimed for our FREEDOM, its 18 to fight for our country, but 21 to drink. and again its 18 to be prosicuted as an adult, { SOMTHINGS WRONG HERE } now im not saying drink and smoke, but what i am saying is if your old enouf to fight for are country , then you are old enouf to make your own decision. Whats good for the Goose is good for the Gander. INTEGRITY AND FAIRNESS if ther is somthing out there to help the FDA should look into it, and make sure it is safe, and not just for profit, look at the car company's how CRYLER went so far as to hide the battery, they want everything controlled, thats not right so this is what happens to companys like that they do theirselve's in, then they look to be bailed out/ LOL INTEGRITY none at all, KEEP IT SIMPLE. everything balance's out, most of the time if thing's are done right. Thanks for reading

Hi Mark, I'm a smoker of e-cigs and cigarettes too. Proudly bragging...I'm an Air Force veteran and my oldest son is an officer in the Navy, my youngest is a Air force firefighter currently based in Iraq. My family has always served our country dating back to the Civil War...I was the 1st female to serve on active duty. You have to love that word...Duty, with a sworn oath to defend this great country against all enemies. Unfortunately, one is hard pressed to save it from the busibodies.

The loss of choice based on the "whiff of smoke" theory of harm I see as a direct result from people being intolerant of one another. To me, that real loss of integrity and fairness is when people are allowed to be rude and feel justified doing it. Some people treat their pets better than human beings. You can take animals more places than a smoker would be welcome to...now that is bizarre! There will always be people who think they are better than others and seek to dictate what you do. I equate these people with the usual list of suspects grouped together as naysayers. It is really easy to be on the side of an idea that is popular with the masses...it is much harder to fight as a minority for equality and simple, humanity.

Lobbyists do not dictate my choices and I reserve the right to think for myself and not bow to special interests that want my money to help me or will fine me to force compliance.
 

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It is interesting to me that this is the second doctor who has used the phrase "I (we) don't know... but we don't think so" in regards to safety.

I do like that a study was funded by the National Cancer Institute. It will be interesting once those findings are out based on nicotine and how they plan on publishing their findings, especially if those findings back up Dr. Laugesen's findings.
 
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